Carpark charging

I remember the council being concerned about the overflow of car parking for residents in Peverell on match days and when HHP is complete. Well, if you start charging to use the park and ride carpark so a millionaire can have more money (like he needs it) what do you think they are going to do?

I don't think that they are going to charge, they would have to scrap P &R, canypt see that happening.

Except ... (and I hope this doesn't put ideas into anybody's head - apart from anything else, I find the Milehouse P&R very useful for days when I have to work really late and don't fancy the bus/walk home) ... It's very odd to have a P&R quite so close to the city centre: they're usually on the outskirts, as with Coypool and the George. So is somebody planning to hand over the Milehouse site (perhaps to Apcoa, who I've made a formal complaint about because they're rubbish and liars, so they're bound to fit in) and put the P&R somewhere further out?

Iggy wrote:

I don't think that they are going to charge, they would have to scrap P &R, canypt see that happening.

The Public Notice in the Herald is misleading. The charging applies to Strand Street only. With regard to all the Park and Ride sites the intention is to extend the Council's powers to enforce and charge penalties - e.g. if you are parked in a disabled bay or not within a designated space that sort of thing.

I think you will find the Council will have to publish another public notice that is less ambiguous and has greater clarity. So no charging at the Milehouse Park and Ride site .... for now at least.

That's another thread fooked, cheers Graham.

When I lived nearby a few years ago, the park&ride in Oxford charged both for parking & for the bus-ride.

At least you feel you're getting your moneys worth in Oxford.

So if the P&R and Life Centre car parks are going to stay free (at least for now) then just who is going to pay to park in the new underground car park.

If I was I was a commercial car parking company I'd find it less than an attractive commercial proposition to be in 'competition' with free parking so close by. More stuff to come out on the drip here I suspect - and I'd personally put money on it that by the time the wretched clusterf*ck is built there will be charges levied in the other car parks.

To repeat what I said on Pasoti, I don't understand why the above notice dated October has been posted to introduce the ability to apply fines for 'inconsiderate' parking, when it seems one was already issued in August, and came into effect on Oct 1st, to do just that.

The Council papers from August on this subject are here.

This links through to a review paper document making recommendations here which includes:

"Management and Safety of Park and Ride car parks

3.17. Plymouth City Council has three ‘park and ride car parks’, these are Milehouse, George
and Coypool. None of these car parks is subject to a traffic order and therefore has no
parking restrictions or associated parking controls.

3.18. Safety concerns have been raised to the Council by the Event Safety and Advisory Group
related vehicles parking at these facilities, specifically Milehouse, to attend city events and
Plymouth Argyle football matches.

3.19. When experiencing high demand for parking vehicles often park inconsiderately causing
obstructions to other motorists and, in extreme cases, obstructing exits and safe
pedestrian flows. "

As far as I can see, this August document doesn't talk about *charges* for the Argyle park and ride car park, only changes to impose traffic orders.  And the above changes were to come into effect October 1st.

I'd assume if park and ride charges were already planned they would have been in the August order. I hope Graham is right.

Interesting. Apparently there are rumours amongst the regular park and ride users that a change affecting all the P&R car parks is on the way. The change will be that you have to pay to park, but get the bus for free.

The person I was chatting to has absolutely no interest in Argyle, and no axe to grind about HHP or any of the rest of it.

Interesting.

One way to reduce demand for the car park, and the volume of cars in streets around HP on match days, would be to do what several other clubs do and have PAFC negotiate with PCC and/or whoever operates the buses to include two stubs on the match day ticket that allow a free bus ride to and from the stadium. Brighton &HA do this, for example.

Tim

Peggy wrote:

Interesting. Apparently there are rumours amongst the regular park and ride users that a change affecting all the P&R car parks is on the way. The change will be that you have to pay to park, but get the bus for free.

The person I was chatting to has absolutely no interest in Argyle, and no axe to grind about HHP or any of the rest of it.

Another way to ensure the roads in the area get more clogged up with parkers - this time during the week as well.

Porky has clarify parking charges

IJN wrote:

My point is though Graham, that the HHP deal has nothing to do with what happens to the P&R has it?

Also, what problem remains? People have a choice to use a free one open to the elements against a pay one which is undercover?

I know us Janners are tight, but surely, you pay for what you get don't you?

Graham wrote

Ian, the HHP development DOES have an acknowledged impact on the Park & Ride Car Park. The Planning Officer's report confirms that fact. As a consequence the Council have imposed planning conditions that require Parking Management Strategy (including the P&R site), a Travel Plan and an Event Management Plan all to be agreed before any of the buildings (including presumably the grandstand) can be occupied. In addition, the Council required a s106 contribution of £25,000 for the enforcement and management of the P&R car park.

As a matter of interest, where do you think all the players, staff and Directors are going to park - pay in the underground car park or free in the P&R car park?

IJN wrote

No I didn't Grumpy, yet I think you missed my point.

This Car Park is bound to be a charged car park when it loses its P&R status, I'm sure that's been said way before JB was a twinkle in your eye.

Here to clarify

3 words...thick, as and shit.

That's four words  

You got to give him credit for still trying to polish this turd

Ian Newell the gift that keeps on giving. What a wanker

Can guarantee that the buses will never be free.
Apparently First undercut Citybus for the contract so much as to be struggling to make a profit. Therefore if the buses are to APPEAR free then it will be coming from Council subsides which will mean a loss to the tax payer or the charges will have to cover this cost and more to make a profit.
What that figure will be I don't know but it will probably have a negative impact on surrounding areas. But then again it will mean that the Council can introduce parking permit schemes all around the area.

First the Worst

First are really under the cosh from Citybus - they've just cut a load of their fares (especially bus passes), they're about to cut some routes and reduce the frequency on others, and no matter what they do Citybus just tries to drive them off the road. Both companies run half hourly services to mine in the evenings - and guess what? both the buses go at exactly the same time (I jokingly said to the driver one evening 'so does he let you go in front tomorrow?' and he said 'yes!').

I prefer First (I still think of them as the green buses, and it was all green buses to where we lived when I was little, plus my nice neighbour works for them), but at the end of the day nobody's benefiting from all this - not the companies, not their staff and not the travelling customer.

Here endeth the lesson. Innit.

I never like the Weston National, (the green bus) since they knocked me down when I was running home from Devonport Park, I took a short cut down the lane passed the side of the Lord Hood pub to cross King Street when the No 5 came along and hit me. The driver carried me to the bus and took me to The Royal Albert Hospital and Eye Infirmary and Children's Ward for Devonport, Stonehouse, Cornwall and West Devon. I was more concern that I missed the Lone Ranger

Ours looked more like this - kind of routemasters with foldy doors at the back:

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Peggy wrote:

First are really under the cosh from Citybus - they've just cut a load of their fares (especially bus passes), they're about to cut some routes and reduce the frequency on others, and no matter what they do Citybus just tries to drive them off the road. Both companies run half hourly services to mine in the evenings - and guess what? both the buses go at exactly the same time (I jokingly said to the driver one evening 'so does he let you go in front tomorrow?' and he said 'yes!').

I prefer First (I still think of them as the green buses, and it was all green buses to where we lived when I was little, plus my nice neighbour works for them), but at the end of the day nobody's benefiting from all this - not the companies, not their staff and not the travelling customer.

Here endeth the lesson. Innit.

I think you will find that someone is benefitting very nicely with regards Citybus as they are making 7 figure profits.
The council still subsidise many routes for Citybus but not sure about First

It hit the Herald web site at last

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AN OFFICIAL notice posted at park and ride bus stops has caused panic among some commuters.

Reader Allen Natkaniec contacted The Herald to say he believed that Plymouth City Council planned to charge him £40 a week to use the Coypool park and ride – on top of his usual bus fare.

Mr Natkaniec said he saw the letter from the council on the bus shelter at Coypool park and ride.

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