Carpark charging

Posts : 1321 Join date : 2013-04-06

Bandwagon wrote:: I'm with Dingle - list the developments this guy has actually started and finished?

Founded in 2009, Akerron Regeneration's publicity powerpoint pitch to Torbay Council for Oldway mansion in Oct 2012 only showed only Millbay, HHP and Civic Centre as other projects.

Oldway is yet to start due to legal agreement with council stated as delay. Does they not get the special PCC treatment from Torbay?

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As I thought, we dangle in nomansland by a thread whilst it seems the debts role on - not sure I call this saved!!

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The thing about it that makes it so unacceptable is that had a developer with the intention of actually developing been given these projects, hundreds of jobs would have been created by now.

Subject: Re: Carpark charging Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:42 pm

GOB wrote:: The thing about it that makes it so unacceptable is that had a developer with the intention of actually developing been given these projects, hundreds of jobs would have been created by now.

And we would probably have got a truly national class ice rink, to be used by the Raiders too, on Cottage field. Home Park could have had an inspiring grandstand but no, the silly hats n title wearers wanted something small enough for them to play with

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GOB wrote:: The thing about it that makes it so unacceptable is that had a developer with the intention of actually developing been given these projects, hundreds of jobs would have been created by now.

Think a lot of the delay comes from shoehorning everything into the HHP footprint to make the whole development cover the "free" stand and would have applied to most developers.

This started as Tudor's fault with his new green credentials protecting Cottage Field from being the approved AAP location for Ice Rink / Conference / Concert facility, but JB was probably happy as everything is on land he now (or soon will) own maximising his potential payday. Had he not got so greedy in squeezing every use mentioned in the AAP (plus a school and dentists for good measure) onto the site and a car park below it he may well have found more tenants.

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It's not just the delays to the Central Park development and involving PCC, Brent seems to be holding back on every single dealing that he has with all local councils.

Four of the largest developments in Devon are being held back by Brent for whatever reason, this is hugely damaging to the local economy of Devon and SE Cornwall.

God knows why the cost of a block is so expensive when it appears that Brent has been given a personal monopoly of developments and all thanks to his friends on PCC.

Subject: Re: Carpark charging Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:16 pm

green_genie wrote:

Bandwagon wrote:: I'm with Dingle - list the developments this guy has actually started and finished?

Founded in 2009, Akerron Regeneration's publicity powerpoint pitch to Torbay Council for Oldway mansion in Oct 2012 only showed only Millbay, HHP and Civic Centre as other projects.

Oldway is yet to start due to legal agreement with council stated as delay. Does they not get the special PCC treatment from Torbay?

As we thought. He had HHP in his sights long before administration and long before nool and the 'pick me ! pick me !' gang, looked into his eyes and saw what a fine gentleman he truly was Rolling Eyes

Posts : 562 Join date : 2012-04-30

There were some very interesting aspects to the oldway deal. He was supposed to have paid Torquay council 500.000 but the council ended up paying him 1m.

The architects drew plans and the amount of properties was approved only to be increased after planning approval given. This was accepted as an amendment. I think the janner mentality is that they should be acres of someone like jb. He certainly has pcc over a barrel. He's played a blinder to be fair to him as well.

Subject: Re: Carpark charging Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:34 pm

Mrrapson wrote:: There were some very interesting aspects to the oldway deal. He was supposed to have paid Torquay council 500.000 but the council ended up paying him 1m.

The architects drew plans and the amount of properties was approved only to be increased after planning approval given. This was accepted as an amendment. I think the janner mentality is that they should be acres of someone like jb. He certainly has pcc over a barrel. He's played a blinder to be fair to him as well.

Yes indeed. He's got PCC and the Herald in his pocket and the fanbase via Pasoti/Webb are anaeshetised into bucket rattling compliance and hero worship.
So what can be done Rappo ?

Posts : 562 Join date : 2012-04-30

You tell me tring. I have no objections to the development per se, he grandstand is pants. I rent I being crammed into a small area.

What I do have a dislike of is the way pcc have let jb run rousghshod over them.

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What I want to know is why "Plymouth Lover" isn't all over twitter about it all? Evil or Very Mad

Subject: Re: Carpark charging Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:56 am

Mrrapson wrote:: You tell me tring. I have no objections to the development per se, he grandstand is pants. I rent I being crammed into a small area.

What I do have a dislike of is the way pcc have let jb run rousghshod over them.

Just maybe, a few more worms ought to turn on the controllers of 'Argyle's most loyal and influential website' ?

Everyone with two brain cells to rub together, must realise by now that they have been 'bought' by silly hats n titles and are effectively working against the best long term interests of the club. Had the controllers joined with the widespread support for the AFT WG's alternative plans for HHP, not only would Brent and PCC have almost certainly have acquiesced to fan power but the development would have had the style and class to inspire and would have been easier to attract businesses and the public alike.

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GOB wrote:: It's not just the delays to the Central Park development and involving PCC, Brent seems to be holding back on every single dealing that he has with all local councils.

Four of the largest developments in Devon are being held back by Brent for whatever reason, this is hugely damaging to the local economy of Devon and SE Cornwall.

God knows why the cost of a block is so expensive when it appears that Brent has been given a personal monopoly of developments and all thanks to his friends on PCC.

Story in the Herald today that Plymouth Arts Centre has applied for a £1.5M Arts Council grant to go towards the Civic Centre development.

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Subject: Re: Carpark charging Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:39 pm

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Just thought I would let you know that I have become aware that the removal of the shrubs is to provide temporary car parking for the contractors working at the HHP site. Also that the spoil will be going on top of what was left from the Life Centre, which should of been removed. I thought as per the planning that the spoil was going near the Zoo field area.

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Interesting. I'm up there with the doggy in the morning. I'll have a good sniff around to see if there's anything else worth reporting back.

Subject: Re: Carpark charging Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:56 pm

How much money would the club get if the car park wasn't free anymore

Subject: Re: Carpark charging Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:22 am

Council own

Subject: Re: Carpark charging Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:14 pm

Tgwu wrote:: Council own

so none........

Subject: Re: Carpark charging Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:17 pm

Davidfriio4 wrote:

Tgwu wrote:: Council own

so none........

right, but he will be able to sell his car-park

Subject: Re: Carpark charging Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:57 pm

Tgwu wrote:

Davidfriio4 wrote:

Tgwu wrote:: Council own

so none........

right, but he will be able to sell his car-park

so the council want to charge but Brent owns the car park,
Im slightly confused

Posts : 2614 Join date : 2013-11-21 Age : 63

Brent wants to sell space in his developement to an operator (lets say NCP) however if the P&R were to remain free to park this might have an impact on that plan.

Posts : 752 Join date : 2012-01-23

Lots of things around to muddy the waters (eg size of 'small piece of land behind current grandstand).

The large free park and ride car park is owned by the council, so they can charge for parking if they so wish. Any income is theirs.

The existing car park at Higher Home Park (the development site) belongs to Mr Brent. The new planned underground car park will be owned by Akkeron but leased (NCP?) Income from this will go to Akkeron, not PAFC.

The trouble is that as long as there's a big free car park (not to even consider the adjacent free Life Centre car park) who is going to pay to park in the new underground car park, which perhaps NCP (or another) has suddenly realised.

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Dingle - also, if PCC do start to charge for the car park, to assist JB in the NCP? lease, how will the cinema bidders feel about having pay car parks next to them whilst the 'Vue' has a free car park - guess they would not be too impressed - bit of a 'catch 22' for JB and PCC eh!

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Tringreen wrote:

Mrrapson wrote:: You tell me tring. I have no objections to the development per se, he grandstand is pants. I rent I being crammed into a small area.

What I do have a dislike of is the way pcc have let jb run rousghshod over them.

Just maybe, a few more worms ought to turn on the controllers of 'Argyle's most loyal and influential website' ?

Everyone with two brain cells to rub together, must realise by now that they have been 'bought' by silly hats n titles and are effectively working against the best long term interests of the club. Had the controllers joined with the widespread support for the AFT WG's alternative plans for HHP, not only would Brent and PCC have almost certainly have acquiesced to fan power but the development would have had the style and class to inspire and would have been easier to attract businesses and the public alike.

I was never in favour of the WG plans. No-one has ever given a good reason for a cinema and hotel (plus there is no reference to a dentist or school). Why not have a good stand with an ice rink connected, supplying conference and hospitality space. All the extra development is just for greed.

Subject: Re: Carpark charging Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:36 pm

mcfry wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Mrrapson wrote:: You tell me tring. I have no objections to the development per se, he grandstand is pants. I rent I being crammed into a small area.

What I do have a dislike of is the way pcc have let jb run rousghshod over them.

Just maybe, a few more worms ought to turn on the controllers of 'Argyle's most loyal and influential website' ?

Everyone with two brain cells to rub together, must realise by now that they have been 'bought' by silly hats n titles and are effectively working against the best long term interests of the club. Had the controllers joined with the widespread support for the AFT WG's alternative plans for HHP, not only would Brent and PCC have almost certainly have acquiesced to fan power but the development would have had the style and class to inspire and would have been easier to attract businesses and the public alike.

I was never in favour of the WG plans. No-one has ever given a good reason for a cinema and hotel (plus there is no reference to a dentist or school). Why not have a good stand with an ice rink connected, supplying conference and hospitality space. All the extra development is just for greed.

There is the small matter of profitability for the developer.