Carpark charging

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August 13th 2013 Council Offices Plymouth.
Planning Commitee Meeting to consider Planning permission for the Development of HHP by Akkerton.

Web Cam coverage is available on PCC planning Web Site.

Discussion: Underground car park HHP.
Question:Cllr G.Wheeler:- Is the car park sufficient for the numbers expected to use the facilities?
Answer: Planning Officer. No about twenty two places short.
Cllr Wheeler: Is this acceptable?
Planning Officer: Yes,we have factored in the availability of the Park and Ride (Milehouse) car park which available after the service ends each day.

This leads to further discussion regarding the subject when Cllr Wheeler suggests:- "I cannot see why people would pay for parking (at the development car park ) when free parking exists (Milehouse Park and Ride) and the Life Centre".

Further in the parking debate it is revealed that the Life Centre is to provide £25K to manage car parking. The Developer would contribute £25K to mitigate the impact of overspill parking arising from the development.

The outcome of this discussion was to be discussed "off camera"along with S106 items Waste Management, Zoo Field and Segrave Rd/Outland Rd Junction. There was to be a Sub Commitee to oversee these items. I am not aware of the final outcome of these discussions but it was perfectly obvious there was a big problem regarding the Car Parking in the development.

The news this week the PCC are considering charging for Park and Ride car parks seems rather a strange coincidence


I wish people would write in mass to Mr Brent mouth piece (The Herald) pointing out Brent's involvement.

It was all a bit cloak and dagger when they went 'off camera' and left the whole sorry episode open to accusations of the dispersal of brown envelopes(allegedly) 

Interesting to see Mr Rapson setting up a campaign group to say no these charges.
I'm sure he is one of the pro Brent brigade and why exactlly does he think the charges are being introduced?
Maybe more sheep will start to wake up now but I doubt it

Open two fans eyes who comes on the Cornish bus, they did not have any idea what the pig as been up to along with his master. ask which web site to read, inform them to go on to ADT you will get the real story. I hope he do log on.

A angry question on the u-turn by Councillor Bowyer in today Herald but can not find it on the Herald web site.

Follow up

hi Mate

thanks for your e-mail.

like you I question the motives here which is why I feel we should all try to hold the Council to account. I will continue to do this, as Leader of the Opposition.

I'm happy to hear from you at any time.

regards,

Ian

City Councillor, Eggbuckland

Conservative Councillors Group Leader

Tgwu wrote:

A angry question on the u-turn by Councillor Bowyer in today Herald but can not find it on the Herald web site.

Angry - are you surprised that it's conveniently disappeared from the the official Pasoti newspaper? 

mcfry wrote:

Interesting to see Mr Rapson setting up a campaign group to say no these charges.
I'm sure he is one of the pro Brent brigade and why exactlly does he think the charges are being introduced?
Maybe more sheep will start to wake up now but I doubt it

Can I just point out that I've never really been pro Brent per se. For buying the club and saving us I was grateful, I've never been happy with the development or the way things are turning out. Graham Clark and Damon will both tell you that because we've had long conversations about it.

The park and ride thing was the final straw by pcc. They are encourage the destruction of our city centre, as a business owner in town I don't want to sit back and do nothing. I didn't when argyle was in jeopardy and I certainly won't when my city is!

Mrrapson wrote:

mcfry wrote:

Interesting to see Mr Rapson setting up a campaign group to say no these charges.
I'm sure he is one of the pro Brent brigade and why exactlly does he think the charges are being introduced?
Maybe more sheep will start to wake up now but I doubt it

Can I just point out that I've never really been pro Brent per se. For buying the club and saving us I was grateful, I've never been happy with the development or the way things are turning out. Graham Clark and Damon will both tell you that because we've had long conversations about it.

The park and ride thing was the final straw by pcc. They are encourage the destruction of our city centre, as a business owner in town I don't want to sit back and do nothing. I didn't when argyle was in jeopardy and I certainly won't when my city is!

That's fair comment.

I was as delighted as anybody else was when Argyle left administration and felt hugely grateful to Brent for taking Argyle over. Since then, however, one thing after another after another ("open and transparent" my arse! for starters) suggests that all we have done is jump from the Heaney frying pan into the Brent fire and all that "all he wants to do is build a cinema in the park!" stuff rings especially hollow now, we haven't even begun to pay down the historic debt and we have no assets left we can pawn to bail us out when the 5 years is up.

My gratitude has long since worn thin and I find it incredible that any Argyle fan could be unreservedly pro-Brent any more. Argyle has transitioned from having heard the last rites to being in a permanent coma. Great.

Just what is there to applaud when all we have left is entrenched institutional mediocrity as the height of the club's ambition?

It'd be much better to see all that famous potential unrealised than pointlessly squandered.

Mrrapson wrote:

mcfry wrote:

Interesting to see Mr Rapson setting up a campaign group to say no these charges.
I'm sure he is one of the pro Brent brigade and why exactlly does he think the charges are being introduced?
Maybe more sheep will start to wake up now but I doubt it

Can I just point out that I've never really been pro Brent per se. For buying the club and saving us I was grateful, I've never been happy with the development or the way things are turning out. Graham Clark and Damon will both tell you that because we've had long conversations about it.

The park and ride thing was the final straw by pcc. They are encourage the destruction of our city centre, as a business owner in town I don't want to sit back and do nothing. I didn't when argyle was in jeopardy and I certainly won't when my city is!

At last you have woken up and have seen what many on here have been saying for ages. we are not always right but with this one we are spot on. Brent never saved us he just pre-longed it further down the road. We still have debts that will need paying and any assets we did own have been taken away from us.

I can`t see the hhp development going ahead, we have pavilions staff being told nothing is going to change for 12 to 18 months and reading between the lines we have local group meetings with akkeron claiming they have problems. I have worked with developers and when they say they are having problems it normally means they are totally fooked and the situation is not going to change unless someone bends over backwards. Oh bugger we are fooked then   

PCC councilors need to wake up and smell the coffee or they will be out on there arse when it comes to the ballot box next year.This does not only affect Pafc fans but the whole of plymouth as all these developments are linked HHP civic centre and millbay.

As my my dad would say Peggy radmore former councilor would never stand these fun and games.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Mrrapson wrote:

mcfry wrote:

Interesting to see Mr Rapson setting up a campaign group to say no these charges.
I'm sure he is one of the pro Brent brigade and why exactlly does he think the charges are being introduced?
Maybe more sheep will start to wake up now but I doubt it

Can I just point out that I've never really been pro Brent per se. For buying the club and saving us I was grateful, I've never been happy with the development or the way things are turning out. Graham Clark and Damon will both tell you that because we've had long conversations about it.

The park and ride thing was the final straw by pcc. They are encourage the destruction of our city centre, as a business owner in town I don't want to sit back and do nothing. I didn't when argyle was in jeopardy and I certainly won't when my city is!

That's fair comment.

I was as delighted as anybody else was when Argyle left administration and felt hugely grateful to Brent for taking Argyle over. Since then, however, one thing after another after another ("open and transparent" my arse! for starters) suggests that all we have done is jump from the Heaney frying pan into the Brent fire and all that "all he wants to do is build a cinema in the park!" stuff rings especially hollow now, we haven't even begun to pay down the historic debt and we have no assets left we can pawn to bail us out when the 5 years is up.

My gratitude has long since worn thin and I find it incredible that any Argyle fan could be unreservedly pro-Brent any more. Argyle has transitioned from having heard the last rites to being in a permanent coma. Great.

Just what is there to applaud when all we have left is entrenched institutional mediocrity as the height of the club's ambition?

It'd be much better to see all that famous potential unrealised than pointlessly squandered.

And there it is is a nutshell - the good news has been eroding for ages now. Well done mr Rapson for seeing the light - perhaps the craziest thing that we have all overlooked is, what mug organisation is going to lend on this fcuk up!!  

At last. Eyes are beginning to open on Mr.Brent's clusterfuckery. It was only a matter of time.

Waddya think De-Lar?

I will also just add, it's not a case of just waking up, when I was on the trust board and got the call saying Brent had done the deal, I was ecstatic but my first words were "and what's in it for him?"

James is an astonishingly good businessman. He was always looking at the land deal when he purchased argyle, anyon who though differently needed their heads examined.

I don't have an issue with jb, I have an issue with pcc getting ass fecked by him and being too spineless to do anything about it. That's what gets my back up. We sold out to sutton harbour holdings as a city and that shafted us, we learned nothing from that debacle. The only thing that I would see as redemption is if jb found the money to help viable buy the airport and reinstate it!

Mrrapson wrote:

mcfry wrote:

Interesting to see Mr Rapson setting up a campaign group to say no these charges.
I'm sure he is one of the pro Brent brigade and why exactlly does he think the charges are being introduced?
Maybe more sheep will start to wake up now but I doubt it

Can I just point out that I've never really been pro Brent per se. For buying the club and saving us I was grateful, I've never been happy with the development or the way things are turning out. Graham Clark and Damon will both tell you that because we've had long conversations about it.

The park and ride thing was the final straw by pcc. They are encourage the destruction of our city centre, as a business owner in town I don't want to sit back and do nothing. I didn't when argyle was in jeopardy and I certainly won't when my city is!

You just need to work a bit more on your character judgements and forward thinking skills.Only when your personal business is at risk have you started to speak out. Horses and stable doors I'm afraid.

The reluctant one was talking to the council long before Administration and when the opportunity to grab the club and the development was presented on a plate for minimal investment, all he had to do was butter up the 'dogs of war'/ controllers of Pasoti and the local, dimwitted but ambitious rump of our support and he'd get a free ride.
As the pirate said with reference to the East India Company, 'Identify first the tribal leaders. Shower them with silly hats and titles. They'll keep the natives on side while the real busuiness interest is carried out without tiresome rejections.'

Tringreen wrote:

Mrrapson wrote:

mcfry wrote:

Interesting to see Mr Rapson setting up a campaign group to say no these charges.
I'm sure he is one of the pro Brent brigade and why exactlly does he think the charges are being introduced?
Maybe more sheep will start to wake up now but I doubt it

Can I just point out that I've never really been pro Brent per se. For buying the club and saving us I was grateful, I've never been happy with the development or the way things are turning out. Graham Clark and Damon will both tell you that because we've had long conversations about it.

The park and ride thing was the final straw by pcc. They are encourage the destruction of our city centre, as a business owner in town I don't want to sit back and do nothing. I didn't when argyle was in jeopardy and I certainly won't when my city is!

You just need to work a bit more on your character judgements and forward thinking skills.Only when your personal business is at risk have you started to speak out. Horses and stable doors I'm afraid.

The reluctant one was talking to the council long before Administration and when the opportunity to grab the club and the development was presented on a plate for minimal investment, all he had to do was butter up the 'dogs of war'/ controllers of Pasoti and the local, dimwitted but ambitious rump of our support and he'd get a free ride.
As the pirate said with reference to the East India Company, 'Identify first the tribal leaders. Shower them with silly hats and titles. They'll keep the natives on side while the real busuiness interest is carried out without tiresome rejections.'

Exactly right Tring!

It's becoming more apparent by the day, this isn't just about PAFC it's about a huge and massive amount of Plymouth's real estate. The only part that PAFC has in this is to use its land for the juggling of the political football and to accommodate facilities that will be replaced for business ventures (public land given to private owners). Many traders in the West End will follow the paths of others and will be forced out for a developer to come in because it's cheaper than buying them out.

In 2007 the regeneration of Millbay was given the green light and all we have seen is a couple blocks of flats built on waste land and a few cobbles put down on the roads in the West End of town.

2014 ( a couple of weeks away) was the year that the 'International' ice skating rink would open yet we haven't even seen a dust sheet put down.

Also, the cost of a concrete block is also delaying Akkeron’s signing of a contract regarding the Oldway Mansion in Torquay. The reason ‘apparently’ is because Akkeron are building it themselves owing to developers being too expensive, why this should cause such a delayed delay though remains a mystery!

I am curious to know how much Council Tax money has been poured into Brent's bank account without so much as a trowel being lifted?

Let's see what happens in 5 years when Brent says the Civic Centre will become his hotel!

Has Mr Brent actually ever developed anything before?

Dingle wrote:

Has Mr Brent actually ever developed anything before?

Yes he has developed a relationship with PCC that is like a rich bloke having a rich benefactor.

As well as a few others.

I'm with Dingle - list the developments this guy has actually started and finished?

The fanfest 'tent'   

Mrrapson wrote:

I will also just add, it's not a case of just waking up, when I was on the trust board and got the call saying Brent had done the deal, I was ecstatic but my first words were "and what's in it for him?"

James is an astonishingly good businessman. He was always looking at the land deal when he purchased argyle, anyon who though differently needed their heads examined.

I don't have an issue with jb, I have an issue with pcc getting ass fecked by him and being too spineless to do anything about it. That's what gets my back up. We sold out to sutton harbour holdings as a city and that shafted us, we learned nothing from that debacle. The only thing that I would see as redemption is if jb found the money to help viable buy the airport and reinstate it!

Is he? Like Todd and Gardner he just happened to have the right connections and some people are just impressed by that.

Bandwagon wrote:

I'm with Dingle - list the developments this guy has actually started and finished?

Here it is

GOB wrote:

Bandwagon wrote:

I'm with Dingle - list the developments this guy has actually started and finished?

Here it is

Quite, Gob. Mr.Brent has talked the talk, but most definitely not walked the walk. Mc666 and Drake's island spring to mind.