Carpark charging

happyvictor wrote:

Dingle - also, if PCC do start to charge for the car park, to assist JB in the NCP? lease, how will the cinema bidders feel about having pay car parks next to them whilst the 'Vue' has a free car park - guess they would not be too impressed - bit of a 'catch 22' for JB and PCC eh!

and Nando's Pizza Express et al. Who's going to sign up for a dentist that charges for parking?

Pokesdown wrote:

happyvictor wrote:

Dingle - also, if PCC do start to charge for the car park, to assist JB in the NCP? lease, how will the cinema bidders feel about having pay car parks next to them whilst the 'Vue' has a free car park - guess they would not be too impressed - bit of a 'catch 22' for JB and PCC eh!

and Nando's Pizza Express et al. Who's going to sign up for a dentist that charges for parking?

Makes a mockery of having a dentist there with all that crap being next door. Brush your teeth and healthy living kids but here have a discount voucher instead of a sticker for nandos anyway.

Tringreen wrote:

mcfry wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Mrrapson wrote:

You tell me tring. I have no objections to the development per se, he grandstand is pants. I rent I being crammed into a small area.

What I do have a dislike of is the way pcc have let jb run rousghshod over them.

Just maybe, a few more worms ought to turn on the controllers of 'Argyle's most loyal and influential website' ?

Everyone with two brain cells to rub together, must realise by now that they have been 'bought' by silly hats n titles and are effectively working against the best long term interests of the club. Had the controllers joined with the widespread support for the AFT WG's alternative plans for HHP, not only would Brent and PCC  have almost certainly have acquiesced to fan power but the development would have had the style and class to inspire and would have been easier to attract businesses and the public alike.

I was never in favour of the WG plans. No-one has ever given a good reason for a cinema and hotel (plus there is no reference to a dentist or school). Why not have a good stand with an ice rink connected, supplying conference and hospitality space. All the extra development is just for greed.

There is the small matter of profitability for the developer.

Yes and there lies the main problem. Run a business (although I would rather it was still a sport) in the correct manner and you would generate a profit. Simples

mcfry wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

mcfry wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Mrrapson wrote:

You tell me tring. I have no objections to the development per se, he grandstand is pants. I rent I being crammed into a small area.

What I do have a dislike of is the way pcc have let jb run rousghshod over them.

Just maybe, a few more worms ought to turn on the controllers of 'Argyle's most loyal and influential website' ?

Everyone with two brain cells to rub together, must realise by now that they have been 'bought' by silly hats n titles and are effectively working against the best long term interests of the club. Had the controllers joined with the widespread support for the AFT WG's alternative plans for HHP, not only would Brent and PCC  have almost certainly have acquiesced to fan power but the development would have had the style and class to inspire and would have been easier to attract businesses and the public alike.

I was never in favour of the WG plans. No-one has ever given a good reason for a cinema and hotel (plus there is no reference to a dentist or school). Why not have a good stand with an ice rink connected, supplying conference and hospitality space. All the extra development is just for greed.

There is the small matter of profitability for the developer.

Yes and there lies the main problem. Run a business (although I would rather it was still a sport) in the correct manner and you would generate a profit. Simples

for me its not going to bring in the money Brent thinks it will. Sure on paper it looks impressive having a portfolio of property thats wide ranging and unrivalled for miles around but in reality its simply not going to work and eventually some will close.

I may be wrong - I have not much understanding of how it works - but I think Mr Brent will be selling leases. I don't know what length of lease will be offered or what his break-even figure will be but as soon as he reaches that then he is easily in profit. The real risk will be for those who buy the leases.

I suspect that there will be a reasonable success for the venture.

One of my interests is in what standard of restaurants will be available. It was made clear in absolutely no uncertain terms that they wouldn't be fast food joints.

Another is where the fans bar will be sited. When Martyn Starnes did his Q&A at the recent AFT AGM (doncha just love initials?) he stated that the club are working hard to ensure a good space and that it could be within the grandstand development.

knecht wrote:

I may be wrong - I have not much understanding of how it works - but I think Mr Brent will be selling leases. I don't know what length of lease will be offered or what his break-even figure will be but as soon as he reaches that then he is easily in profit. The real risk will be for those who buy the leases.

I suspect that there will be a reasonable success for the venture.

One of my interests is in what standard of restaurants will be available. It was made clear in absolutely no uncertain terms that they wouldn't be fast food joints.

Another is where the fans bar will be sited. When Martyn Starnes did his Q&A at the recent AFT AGM (doncha just love initials?) he stated that the club are working hard to ensure a good space and that it could be within the grandstand development.

Whether he remains the owner/landlord of the companies or he is simply charging rent to these places it still remains that he wont make as much money that he is thinking he will do.

And the standard of restaurants i think will nandos or spudulike not mcdonalds or kfc but just the next stage up.

I see that Plymouth is in the top 50 of the surplus profit making Councils in the country when it comes to parking payments!

So it should be, it's one of the top twenty cities.

'councils'

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knecht wrote:

I may be wrong - I have not much understanding of how it works - but I think Mr Brent will be selling leases. I don't know what length of lease will be offered or what his break-even figure will be but as soon as he reaches that then he is easily in profit. The real risk will be for those who buy the leases.

I suspect that there will be a reasonable success for the venture.

One of my interests is in what standard of restaurants will be available. It was made clear in absolutely no uncertain terms that they wouldn't be fast food joints.

Another is where the fans bar will be sited. When Martyn Starnes did his Q&A at the recent AFT AGM (doncha just love initials?) he stated that the club are working hard to ensure a good space and that it could be within the grandstand development.

I'm not sure whether you are right or wrong knecht, but it appears pretty evident that SHH have done alright from their leases with the council. Maybe someone will be provided with a 150 year lease and when it proves to be less profitable they will knock it down and build something else (maybe housing).

McFry is right. This is a long term property investment. The profit is not there for operators of food and retail in the short term, the business plan is so obviously a joke. It's a capital asset appreciation exercise. If these supposed businesses fail, then what planning protection is there to stop hotel to residential ( first through the ubiquitous student accomodation rules ( AKA underspec residential gold rush )) and retail to anything under all the relaxing planning laws ?

Rapson is right in a small way, although his admiration of Jimmy's business "prowess" is distasteful given the 50 billion that was lost. The Council is where the ire should be directed, but his planned facebook group won't make a smear, let alone a dent.
And this isn't even a council party political thing. Evans is no more part of this than Pengelly. I remember her words the afternoon Putin gave them a kicking and showed them what REAL bribery can achieve.

She said it was now the job of everyone concerned to put their heads together to save as many of the planned WCup hotels and developments as possible. And that is what this is all about deep down along with finishing off the life centre and pleasing Sport England and their associated demands at the time.
Hey Rapper, I was trying to shop in your "independent" pasty quarter of the city centre today. I walk through it often. What a mess, what a waste of time. Great pavements at £4m quid papering over the cultural cracks, but nothing to buy. I really don't see how it can be saved. High streets are going down the American model I'm afraid.

This is what Brent will leave us (oxford)


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yeap that is it tgwu sadly. Not that the super "fans" care they are just happy to be small time jannars

Tgwu wrote:

This is what Brent will leave us (oxford)


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Looks feckin ghastly.  Wake me up when this nightmare is over         

Yeah anyone with a stepladder or cherry picker can see the match lol

PASB PAFC Minutes 21.12.13 wrote:

PJ stated that the Council were facing having to implement cuts, in his opinion he would far prefer the facility to remain free, but the matter was “out of the club’s hands”.

AS was of the opinion that the proposed “savings” (actually increased revenue) of £150,000 annually were a small drop in the ocean, and wondered whether the club were considering lobbying the Council to levy the proposed charge on Monday to Fridays only.

MS confirmed that the Council were examining “every nook and cranny” but the PAFC Board had not discussed the subject “as yet”. ES expressed a wish for the club to take up the issue, to which PJ responded “we’ll assist with any lobbying”

There's the compromise. PAFC fans keep matchday free parking and the P&R charge other times to make Akkeron & NCP happy.

Compromise. More like the council bending over and saying park your big development whereever you like.

I have to say that a car park of that size so close to a centre the size of Plymouth, it always stuck me as strange as being free.

Brent obviously is no mug to its commercial potential.

Interesting report today shows PCC made a £458,000 profit from car parking , permits and penalties after taking away costs of operations.

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ejh wrote:

I have to say that a car park of that size so close to a centre the size of Plymouth, it always stuck me as strange as being free.

Brent obviously is no mug to its commercial potential.

I think you will find most if not all out of town retail parks provide free parking.

mcfry wrote:

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I think you will find most if not all out of town retail parks provide free parking.

Oxford doesn't. I used it a few years ago and the bus-driver was surprised when I questioned paying for the parking as well as the bus. Then he basically said "take it or leave it"   .

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I meant around Plymouth knecht (sorry for not mentioning that)
but thanks for pointing that out, I will remember that if I ever decide to visit Oxford

mcfry wrote:

I meant around Plymouth knecht (sorry for not mentioning that)
but thanks for pointing that out, I will remember that if I ever decide to visit Oxford

   And I missed that you had written "retail parks". Sorry.

Isn't the government trying to stop councils from making profit from car parking?