Nelson Mandela has died

Lord Tisdale wrote:

hairy j wrote:

Whatever - the black people were there first and were then ruled by......TERRORISTS! Sorry, in Tis' view, they were there to help the black folk by taking their land and resources and making them'live in towns made of old bits of wood.

For someone who is supposed to have a university degree you are one seriously dumb feck.

Apartheid was an abhorrent regime, but less people used to die every year and had it not been for the PC world's boycott the economy would have been far stronger than it is today, people in general would have had a far higher standard of living, but hey, democracy is such a good thing, just ask the people of Zimbabwe, Iraq or Syria.

Yes. When a country becomes wealthy, every person in that country increases their wealth and well being, especially a section of society that has no human rights. Those black people would have been really looked after by their white benefactors. Absolutely. Very wealthy people who own very lucrative businesses are always giving their money away to improve the lives of the less fortunate and.... oh feck off Tis.

Downthetrack's comment is actually beyond contempt.

Downthetrack's comment is actually beyond contempt.[/quote]
A very beautiful country,but the fact is its a very violent one . Riddled with HIV fact

I took a couple of weeks out and left this place alone but I kind of missed most people who use the place and enjoy the banter but I've not read such a load of bollocks for God knows how long.

I'm going to take another sabbatical now because I prefer that to telling it like it is.

Hairy has been well and truly owned on this thread, well done to Lord Tisdale, and to Hairy epic fail

Do you really think that Punch because all I read is an insult in every one of Tisadale's post and agreeable comments from Hairy.

downthetrack wrote:

Downthetrack's comment is actually beyond contempt.

A very beautiful country,but the fact is its a very violent one . Riddled with HIV fact[/quote]
It is violent now and was previously violent. My suspicion (based on prejudice) is that there was less noise about it before as most of the violence was in the non-white communities.

There have been large improvements in education, housing & infrastructure. One reason that there has been more of a struggle for improvements has been the number of white South Africans who left the country (my relatives among them) - fearing a bloodbath &/or wholesale loss of position which hasn't materialised. AIDS is certainly a big problem contributed to by Zuma refusing to acknowledge reality.

Perhaps Charlie could drop by and give us up to date, on the ground information about his experiences there.

GOB wrote:

Do you really think that Punch because all I read is an insult in every one of Tisadale's post and agreeable comments from Hairy.

"Agreeable"?  What's that meant to mean? And I see plenty of insults from Hairy (as usual).

Hairy is factually wrong on some major points. Clueless in fact. That's what really matters, and Tiz is correctly pointing it out.

IMO he was a freedom fighter. An inhuman regime would simply not negotiate and his people were suffering unbelievable abuse. When it eventually did , the man showed not only his immense vision but also his eternal status as one of the truly great human beings.

Placed in the same situation, I for one, would have fought with everything I had against the abhorrent apartheid regime. Not so sure I could have been so forgiving and for me, that is the measure of the man.

I don't blame you Jock. I imagine this thread would result in a very long post that would be met with, "LOL wut?! South Africa's a shithole - who cares".

I do find this almost enforced national grief over mandela a bit sinister. Today football matches are going to have a minutes applause FFS. Enforced mass hysteria.

It's a lot like the Princess Di era when a huge myth was built around what a saint she was as she visited people in third World hospitals wearing £800 shoes.
A minute applause is really weird though. I don't understand that.

Mass hysteria is not my thing either but Mandela's legacy of 'forgiveness' for those who have done you terrible wrongs, has been an inspiration.

Wherever there is inequality and inhumanity, his iconic status will remain a beacon of hope and belief.

Tringreen wrote:

Mass hysteria is not my thing either but Mandela's legacy of 'forgiveness' for those who have done you terrible wrongs, has been an inspiration.

Wherever there is inequality and inhumanity, his iconic status will remain a beacon of hope and belief.

On the button!

Only one flounce from this thread, disappointing.  

Might even forgive Napoleon, if he stops controlling.

A bacon of hope. Let him rest in peas.

Jock hasn't flounced - he's just angered by the utter twats.

hairy j wrote:

A bacon of hope. Let him rest in peas.

Jock hasn't flounced - he's just angered by the utter twats.

I ham inclined to agree Hairy

The rule of thumb I use is..............

If my knowledge is very limited, or I'm not au fait with said topic of conversation.........say f*ck all. It saves a lot of spud-kicking and/or embarrassment.

Person Of Interest wrote:

The rule of thumb I use is..............

If my knowledge is very limited, or I'm not au fait with said topic of conversation.........say f*ck all. It saves a lot of spud-kicking and/or embarrassment.

You dont need to know fvck all to join in on this thread, just say you love nelly and the jobs a jazzer.

hairy j wrote:

A bacon of hope. Let him rest in peas.

Jock hasn't flounced - he's just angered by the utter twats.

500K Rapes a year Child  & baby rape highest in the world.
50 murders a day
6mill have HIV in pop of 53 mill,not a shithole then ?
A very civilized country then.

 

Who needs words when you've got the 'hairy eyebrow' ?

Said it all mate.  

downthetrack wrote:

hairy j wrote:

A bacon of hope. Let him rest in peas.

Jock hasn't flounced - he's just angered by the utter twats.

500K Rapes a year Child  & baby rape highest in the world.
50 murders a day
6mill have HIV in pop of 53 mill,not a shithole then ?
A very civilized country then.

 

ATD at its best, unite behind the eyebrow of peace.