General Election Countdown who is going to win

Cornish Chris wrote:

Angry wrote:

Cornish Chris wrote:

Current YouGov polling indicates that if there was a referendum on membership of the EU, the UK would vote to stay in by 45% to 35%.  In September 2011 No was ahead by 52% to 30%.  Yes has now been 10 points ahead for three months in a row.

Those polls change daily and too often to really be used as evidence to back an argument or disprove it.

Absolutely. Psephology is a mug's game. But it shows that Euroscepticism is far from universal.  And, again, that UKIP's rise has coincided with a fall in Euroscepticism.

Corny Chris grabs desperately at straw, nothing to see here.

You're are such a fooking clown Chris, this was the question asked:-

"Imagine the British government under David Cameron
renegotiated our relationship with Europe and said that
Britain's interests were now protected, and David
Cameron recommended that Britain remain a member
of the European Union on the new terms.
How would you then vote in a referendum on the issue?"

If Brent called a a press conference in June and announced he had signed Wayne Rooney, Chritiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi, Iniesta, Ibrahimovic and a couple or three decent defenders, would you renew your season ticket?

This is as likely as Camoron remaining PM or him getting any deal from the EU which couldn't be totally ripped to shiite in a campaign.

You would have to be a complete forking idiot if you thought this was in any way a fair representation of the electorate's view on this issue.

There is no deal to be had on immigration, freedom of movement is the EU's fooking shibboleth, there is no deal to be had on repatriation of powers, the Lisbon fooking Treaty saw to that and there is no deal to be had on contributions because the EU is an economic basket case with a burgeoning centralised budget.

In short there is no fooking deal which Camoron could defend without splitting the hugely eurosceptic Tory party in two.

Cornish Chris wrote:

zyph wrote:

The EU are forcing organic farmers to use animal homeopathy.

British organic farmers are being forced to treat their livestock with homeopathic remedies under new European Commission rules which have been dismissed as  "scientifically illiterate" by vets.

Although homeopathy has been called  "rubbish" by Dame Sally Davies, the Government's Chief Medical Officer, organic farmers have been told they must use it as a first course of action under an EU directive that came into force in January.

The regulation means that animals could be left diseased or in pain for far longer than necessary, and organic meat could end up containing higher levels of bacteria,vets have warned. This article is on the front page of the..... Daily Telegraph....Sat 25th April.

Time to get out of this mad house of control.....as Nigel Farage has said "we want our country back"..... words of wisdom there personally......we are being suffocated by EU laws and losing ground every year to EU domination of our Parliament......we need to get our freedom back to make our own decisions.......VOTE UKIP.

File this under EU Myths...

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You are just a knob aren't you Chris?

Your link doesn't debunk anything.

The EU directive does state that other methods can be used to treat animals, but only after all the homeopathetic treatments have been exhausted and found wanting.

There are a few myths propagated about the EU, there are massive numbers of ridiculous issues which have not yet been addressed, we are waiting patiently for the referendum, then people will really be told the truth about the rotten, corrupt, inept management of the EU.

Please don't get Wayne Rooney mixed up with proper footballers, they would be entitled to sue you for such a mistake.

Cornish Chris wrote:

zyph wrote:

The EU are forcing organic farmers to use animal homeopathy.

British organic farmers are being forced to treat their livestock with homeopathic remedies under new European Commission rules which have been dismissed as  "scientifically illiterate" by vets.

Although homeopathy has been called  "rubbish" by Dame Sally Davies, the Government's Chief Medical Officer, organic farmers have been told they must use it as a first course of action under an EU directive that came into force in January.

The regulation means that animals could be left diseased or in pain for far longer than necessary, and organic meat could end up containing higher levels of bacteria,vets have warned. This article is on the front page of the..... Daily Telegraph....Sat 25th April.

Time to get out of this mad house of control.....as Nigel Farage has said "we want our country back"..... words of wisdom there personally......we are being suffocated by EU laws and losing ground every year to EU domination of our Parliament......we need to get our freedom back to make our own decisions.......VOTE UKIP.

File this under EU Myths...

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You are just a knob aren't you Chris?

Your link doesn't debunk anything.

The EU directive does state that other methods can be used to treat animals, but only after all the homeopathetic treatments have been exhausted and found wanting.

There are a few myths propagated about the EU, there are massive numbers of ridiculous issues which have not yet been addressed, we are waiting patiently for the referendum, then people will really be told the truth about the rotten, corrupt, inept management of the EU.

zyph wrote:

Please don't get Wayne Rooney mixed up with proper footballers, they would be entitled to sue you for such a mistake.

Sorry mate, threw him in because it is well known that the majority of your support are in reality plastic Reds and we all know they just love Shrek.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

zyph wrote:

Please don't get Wayne Rooney mixed up with proper footballers, they would be entitled to sue you for such a mistake.

Sorry mate, threw him in because it is well known that the majority of your support are in reality plastic Reds and we all know they just love Shrek.

It is cringeworthy to mention Rooney's name in the same sentence as Bobby Charlton regarding goals......he didn't buy new hair....just perfected his comb over.

zyph wrote:

Lord Tisdale wrote:

zyph wrote:

Please don't get Wayne Rooney mixed up with proper footballers, they would be entitled to sue you for such a mistake.

Sorry mate, threw him in because it is well known that the majority of your support are in reality plastic Reds and we all know they just love Shrek.

It is cringeworthy to mention Rooney's name in the same sentence as Bobby Charlton regarding goals......he didn't buy new hair....just perfected his comb over.

Nah, again I have to disagree, Ralph Coates was the true king of the comb over.

fecking double post.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Iggy wrote:

And whilst he NHS crumbles, food banks are on the rise and more cuts on the horizon for the next five years, this;
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Words fail me.

This crumbling NHS, is it the same one which is having more money than ever spent on it, is treating more patients than ever and which actually has patient satisfaction levels at close to the all time high?

Yep, the same NHS that has left me a chronic pain sufferer from having to wait two years for a critical back operation, even though officially I wasn't on a waiting list for more than nine weeks. The same NHS that gave an infection in the operation wound after a nurse left a stitch in there. The nurses was short staffed at the time because of a bug and they'd spent their budget for agency staff that week leaving them short staffed. The same NHS that provides a doctors appointment with my own actual doctor who knows my history within four weeks if you are lucky. To get an appointment with any doctor this week you'd have to phone between 8 and 8.30 and try your luck with an emergency appointment.
Don't get me wrong when you actually get there the service is on the whole excellent, it's a lottery depending on which illness you have and whether you get the prompt treatment you need. NHS is groaning under the pressure as was advertised this winter when most hospitals in the SW were on emergency alerts because of the flu epidemic.

Party Election Broadcast just been on TV......with Cameron talking about supporting the vulnerable.......and not one mention of food banks.......if it had been someone elses TV, I'd of thrown a brick at it. How can they say these things and keep a straight face.

zyph wrote:

Party Election Broadcast just been on TV......with Cameron talking about supporting the vulnerable.......and not one mention of food banks.......if it had been someone elses TV, I'd of thrown a brick at it. How can they say these things and keep a straight face.

Food banks and not to mention the tax on the poor and the vulnerable aka the bedroom tax

The more Wee Jimmy Krankie talks the more i dont want to vote Labour come May 7th

Iggy wrote:

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Iggy wrote:

And whilst he NHS crumbles, food banks are on the rise and more cuts on the horizon for the next five years, this;
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Words fail me.

This crumbling NHS, is it the same one which is having more money than ever spent on it, is treating more patients than ever and which actually has patient satisfaction levels at close to the all time high?

Yep, the same NHS that has left me a chronic pain sufferer from having to wait two years for a critical back operation, even though officially I wasn't on a waiting list for more than nine weeks. The same NHS that gave an infection in the operation wound after a nurse left a stitch in there. The nurses was short staffed at the time because of a bug and they'd spent their budget for agency staff that week leaving them short staffed. The same NHS that provides a doctors appointment with my own actual doctor who knows my history within four weeks if you are lucky. To get an appointment with any doctor this week you'd have to phone between 8 and 8.30 and try your luck with an emergency appointment.
Don't get me wrong when you actually get there the service is on the whole excellent, it's a lottery depending on which illness you have and whether you get the prompt treatment you need. NHS is groaning under the pressure as was advertised this winter when most hospitals in the SW were on emergency alerts because of the flu epidemic.

I wasn't suggesting the NHS wasn't an administrative clusterfork, some of those agency nurses have a actual on cost of £1,000 a day, yes really, a day.

The point was the NHS isn't crumbling, it is simply very poor value for money.

Angry wrote:

zyph wrote:

Party Election Broadcast just been on TV......with Cameron talking about supporting the vulnerable.......and not one mention of food banks.......if it had been someone elses TV, I'd of thrown a brick at it. How can they say these things and keep a straight face.

Food banks and not to mention the tax on the poor and the vulnerable aka the bedroom tax

Oh come on Angry, there is no such thing as "the bedroom tax", it is a benefit reduction where people have bigger accommodation than they need, a perfectly sensible policy.

To suggest that you should downsize your living requirements, when say,your family has grown up and flown the nest is not that simple.......even if you agree with the principle finding smaller properties is not easy.....two bedroom properties are limited and should be the aim of those trying to get on the property ladder....so the government needs to build two bedroom houses as a priority.

Personally I do not agree with the principle and I would refuse to do such a thing if asked to......the Tories have no chance of getting middle class England their core voters to do such a thing......so why expect council/housing association dwellers to do it.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Angry wrote:

zyph wrote:

Party Election Broadcast just been on TV......with Cameron talking about supporting the vulnerable.......and not one mention of food banks.......if it had been someone elses TV, I'd of thrown a brick at it. How can they say these things and keep a straight face.

Food banks and not to mention the tax on the poor and the vulnerable aka the bedroom tax

Oh come on Angry, there is no such thing as "the bedroom tax", it is a benefit reduction where people have bigger accommodation than they need, a perfectly sensible policy.

I don't have a problem with the bedroom tax per se but it is the draconian axe wielding of the Tories that gets my goat, loads of vulnerable people have been made homeless because of the lack of smaller properties to rent (as mentioned by Zyph) I also had a friend who had cancer, had to give up work then got hassled whilst she was dying. On the same vein I also knew someone who died of malignant melanoma, worked all his life as a coach driver until ill, then got sanctioned for not actively seeking work whilst having chemo for inoperable brain tumours.
If they were equally tough on taxing the tax avoiders, second home owners and the super wealthy it would be easier to bear. I notice that although the Tories are advocating more benefit cuts for jobseekers there is no mention of a cap on farm subsidies with loads receiving more than a million pounds a year, no cap on the business bosses that oversee banking collapses and instigate recessions. There is no big move to tax bonuses more heavily although the amount of bonuses paid since the banking crisis has now outstripped the amount that we the tax paying public paid to dig them out of the hole caused by their fleecing of the system.
Dolies and disabled people are soft targets, they have little to do with the collapse of the banking system yet are being pilloried for the effects of it.

Iggy wrote:

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Angry wrote:

zyph wrote:

Party Election Broadcast just been on TV......with Cameron talking about supporting the vulnerable.......and not one mention of food banks.......if it had been someone elses TV, I'd of thrown a brick at it. How can they say these things and keep a straight face.

Food banks and not to mention the tax on the poor and the vulnerable aka the bedroom tax

Oh come on Angry, there is no such thing as "the bedroom tax", it is a benefit reduction where people have bigger accommodation than they need, a perfectly sensible policy.

I don't have a problem with the bedroom tax per se but it is the draconian axe wielding of the Tories that gets my goat, loads of vulnerable people have been made homeless because of the lack of smaller properties to rent (as mentioned by Zyph) I also had a friend who had cancer, had to give up work then got hassled whilst she was dying. On the same vein I also knew someone who died of malignant melanoma, worked all his life as a coach driver until ill, then got sanctioned for not actively seeking work whilst having chemo for inoperable brain tumours.
If they were equally tough on taxing the tax avoiders, second home owners and the super wealthy it would be easier to bear. I notice that although the Tories are advocating more benefit cuts for jobseekers there is no mention of a cap on farm subsidies with loads receiving more than a million pounds a year, no cap on the business bosses that oversee banking collapses and instigate recessions. There is no big move to tax bonuses more heavily although the amount of bonuses paid since the banking crisis has now outstripped the amount that we the tax paying public paid to dig them out of the hole caused by their fleecing of the system.
Dolies and disabled people are soft targets, they have little to do with the collapse of the banking system yet are being pilloried for the effects of it.

I can't argue that governments are not arse holes, what is disagree with is the suggestion that any other party would be doing it better.

There are people who get fecked over, there are more who play the system, you have to try and make it work as well as possible, unfortunately having everything run by kids with PPE degrees but no history of working in the real world is not a recipe for success.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Angry wrote:

zyph wrote:

Party Election Broadcast just been on TV......with Cameron talking about supporting the vulnerable.......and not one mention of food banks.......if it had been someone elses TV, I'd of thrown a brick at it. How can they say these things and keep a straight face.

Food banks and not to mention the tax on the poor and the vulnerable aka the bedroom tax

Oh come on Angry, there is no such thing as "the bedroom tax", it is a benefit reduction where people have bigger accommodation than they need, a perfectly sensible policy.

I don't have a problem with the bedroom tax per se but it is the draconian axe wielding of the Tories that gets my goat, loads of vulnerable people have been made homeless because of the lack of smaller properties to rent (as mentioned by Zyph) I also had a friend who had cancer, had to give up work then got hassled whilst she was dying. On the same vein I also knew someone who died of malignant melanoma, worked all his life as a coach driver until ill, then got sanctioned for not actively seeking work whilst having chemo for inoperable brain tumours.
If they were equally tough on taxing the tax avoiders, second home owners and the super wealthy it would be easier to bear. I notice that although the Tories are advocating more benefit cuts for jobseekers there is no mention of a cap on farm subsidies with loads receiving more than a million pounds a year, no cap on the business bosses that oversee banking collapses and instigate recessions. There is no big move to tax bonuses more heavily although the amount of bonuses paid since the banking crisis has now outstripped the amount that we the tax paying public paid to dig them out of the hole caused by their fleecing of the system.
Dolies and disabled people are soft targets, they have little to do with the collapse of the banking system yet are being pilloried for the effects of it.

I can't argue that governments are not arse holes, what is disagree with is the suggestion that any other party would be doing it better.

There are people who get fecked over, there are more who play the system, you have to try and make it work as well as possible, unfortunately having everything run by kids with PPE degrees but no history of working in the real world is not a recipe for success.

Which is precisely why I find your UKIP love in totally bemusing. How you see them as being against this current system fails me. Just as Iggy points out that disabled people are the soft targets that the Tories exploit, UKIP do the same with immigrants.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

"Imagine the British government under David Cameron
renegotiated our relationship with Europe and said that
Britain's interests were now protected, and David
Cameron recommended that Britain remain a member
of the European Union on the new terms.
How would you then vote in a referendum on the issue?"

What are you expecting him to say post-negotiation?

That's probably the most realistic way of framing the question.  If Cameron does stay on as PM, which I think he probably will, I'm sure he'll campaign to stay in the EU. As you say, there will always be some ToryKipper MPs who will keep moaning until Britain is physically towed into the middle of the Southern Atlantic, so he and the rest of the country can safely ignore them as before.

SwimWithTheTide wrote:

Which is precisely why I find your UKIP love in totally bemusing. How you see them as being against this current system fails me. Just as Iggy points out that disabled people are the soft targets that the Tories exploit, UKIP do the same with immigrants.

I guess bemused is pretty much your default position.

UKIP are against the current system in one respect, they would get us out of the EU if they had a majority, about as likely as Argyle emulating Bournemouth, and failing that if they had any influence at all it would be used to get us a referendum on the biggest single issue imho, in the EU we are stuck with the continental losers in a decline to the bottom, Greece are there, Spain and Italy are on the way and Ireland are not sure if they are on the way back up or just too pissed to know.

Immigrants are not a soft target for UKIP, they are a soft target for big business and exploitative landlords, they depress the wages of working people, not by their own volition, but through the way that their availability allows big business to exploit them.

I would far rather vote for a solid socialist party that recognised the need to promote business yet was prepared to curb the abuses of the tax system, that believed in full employment but also knew that those jobs had to be real jobs not just padding in the public sector, that was prepared to go the hard yards to root out inefficiency in the NHS and overspending in all other government departments, that above all was prepared to reinvest power in Parliament where it belongs not in some bureaucratic bean feast in Brussels/Strasbourg.

That leaves me with UKIP, Labour is no different from the Tories which in turn are hardly distinguishable from the LibDims and of course none of the LibLabCon are interested in the will of the British people being paramount in the running of this country and the making of its laws. UKIP is not against immigration, although plenty of the muppets who will support it are, it is against unregulated immigration from shiite hole countries full of piss poor people, UKIP are for helping British people compete for British jobs which pay a living wage, in many ways, despite some of the right wing rhetoric, UKIP have the most socialist agenda of the four main parties.

If you are still bemused then I am afraid you are beyond help.

UK economy grows by only 0.3%, down from 0.6% growth in the final months of 2014. Great timing.


I see good old Boris has been out and about with that witty [but often embarrassing] charm he has.

Hard to believe, but good old Boris may one day be leader of the Conservative Party. Until that time though, let us look back at past quotations and remind ourselves of his unusual imagination and his very own style of wording.

1) On becoming Prime Minister

"My chances of being PM are about as good as the chances of finding Elvis on Mars, or my being reincarnated as an olive."

2) On drugs

"I think I was once given cocaine but I sneezed so it didn't go up my nose. In fact, it may have been icing sugar."

3) On Channel 5

"I don't see why people are so snooty about Channel 5. It has some respectable documentaries about the Second World War. It also devotes considerable airtime to investigations into lap-dancing, and other related and vital subjects."

4) On Europe

"I can hardly condemn UKIP as a bunch of boss-eyed, foam-flecked Euro hysterics, when I have been sometimes not far short of boss-eyed, foam-flecked hysteria myself."

5) On voting Conservative

"Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase your chances of owning a BMW M3."

6) On Portsmouth

“Here we are in one of the most depressed downs in southern England, a place that is arguably too full of drugs, obesity, underachievement and Labour MPs.”

I really long for the day good old Boris becomes Tory leader.

Careful what you wish for, it's all a clever disguise, he could be Maggie T in the body of a buffoon.

Iggy wrote:

Careful what you wish for, it's all a clever disguise, he could be Maggie T in the body of a buffoon.

Spot on. Boris isn't stupid. The bumbling 19th-century aristocrat shtick is just that. I've no doubt that next time there's a vacancy at the top of the Tory Party he'll get the gig.

Depends, he's never been overly popular with a lot of MP's. I really would worry if I was a Conservative because as far as I can see there's nobody half respectable to take the job. May, David, Hammond, Osborne.. Hardly very thrilling options.