General Election Countdown who is going to win

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Iggy wrote:

I neither want your pity nor deserve it FFS. You are trying to paint me in a light of your making, I don't want anyone to drown where have I said that? I have also pointed out how the lack of immigration policy isn't helping, they are the ones in power who are letting the poor fuckers drown not me. Read what I said again and come out with a coherent argument against what I said, although as you and I seem to agree on most of the salient points in the argument that would be pointless. And where have I said they only come over for the benefits, you are accusing me of being the ukiper profiled bigot that exists mainly in your mind, get off your high horse and drink your milk.

The place is full of lefty wankers Iggs, they know fook all, their hero Tony Bliar created this mess along with the leaders of the EU/NATO/US warmongers society, now the do gooders want to fill Europe with piss poor, Islamist, nut bags, there's a recipe for peace and stability.

We have got to get out of both the Sandpit and the EU asap, develop decent border controls and secure the future of our children, the Daesh (ISIS, ISIL, IS) or whatever you want to call them are running this entire people smuggling racket, they are even sinking the boats to create an even bigger shit storm so our weak ass leaders throw open our doors to whichever chancers and terrorists want to come here.

I'm buying canned goods and shotgun carts.

Any ideas for developing decent border controls?

Once someone is here it is quite hard to remove them.

SwimWithTheTide wrote:

Unbelievable, the gift that keeps on giving. Farage will accept refugees, a few of them at least, providing they're Christian - because all other religions and values are inferior I guess. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

How can some seriously not see this man for the despicable person he is?!

Your words I assume.....If you want gifts Cameron is your man....a new gift every day to tempt you to vote for Thatcher MK2.

What's wrong with a "Christian" country being interested in the religion of the UK before others......we will be a minority religion soon if the flood of middle east/asian religions continues then it will be too late to think of the status-quo.

zyph wrote:

SwimWithTheTide wrote:

Unbelievable, the gift that keeps on giving. Farage will accept refugees, a few of them at least, providing they're Christian - because all other religions and values are inferior I guess. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

How can some seriously not see this man for the despicable person he is?!

Your words I assume.....If you want gifts Cameron is your man....a new gift every day to tempt you to vote for Thatcher MK2.

What's wrong with a "Christian" country being interested in the religion of the UK before others......we will be a minority religion soon if the flood of middle east/asian religions continues then it will be too late to think of the status-quo.

These days you simply cannot voice concerns like this without someone implying you're a card-carrying racist, Zyph.

SwimWithTheTide wrote:

Unbelievable, the gift that keeps on giving. Farage will accept refugees, a few of them at least, providing they're Christian - because all other religions and values are inferior I guess. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

How can some seriously not see this man for the despicable person he is?!

Where do you propose they all go then ? Are you going to rig up a couple of camp beds in your room or sling a few in the conservatory ?

What about healthcare ? most hospitals only just functioning due to pressure on the system. Too little investment or too many patients - same end result. What the hell import another few million, I'm sure we will cope.

Education. Don't know about where you live but here in Plympton they is not a single primary school place to be had. Sod it, sling up a load more schools & employ a load more teachers (which don't exist)

Employment, Difficult one. 50% of Muslim men & 75% of Muslim women already here don't work for whatever reason so it's fair to assume that others would be no different. So that leaves a further huge burden on the benefits system.

Then as the population of these minorities increase & colonize areas of cities or towns there is the integration / civil unrest problem a few years down the line (Stockholm, Marseille etc.) It's coming to the UK & only a fool (or a leftie) would argue otherwise.

I really don't know which planet you liberal lefties live on, but it sure as hell ain't Earth. Farage is speaking complete common sense.

Czarcasm wrote:

zyph wrote:

SwimWithTheTide wrote:

Unbelievable, the gift that keeps on giving. Farage will accept refugees, a few of them at least, providing they're Christian - because all other religions and values are inferior I guess. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

How can some seriously not see this man for the despicable person he is?!

Your words I assume.....If you want gifts Cameron is your man....a new gift every day to tempt you to vote for Thatcher MK2.

What's wrong with a "Christian" country being interested in the religion of the UK before others......we will be a minority religion soon if the flood of middle east/asian religions continues then it will be too late to think of the status-quo.

These days you simply cannot voice concerns like this without someone implying you're a card-carrying racist, Zyph.

As an atheist where do I stand? Am I not welcome in this Christian country of ours? Should the overrun NHS turn me away for my blasphemous views if I was in need of their service? Can you not see the blatant discrimination that is taking place? I do not suggest that Christian's should be discriminated against, but merely EVERYONE regardless of religion, race, ethnicity, gender, what feckin pet they own, should be treated as EQUAL. Why is equality, why is fairness, why is compassion such a dirty word? A why does money dictate that some should live, while others die at their expense? Jesus guys, you're way too sold into this morally absent society - how very Christian of you... 

FY 310 wrote:

SwimWithTheTide wrote:

Unbelievable, the gift that keeps on giving. Farage will accept refugees, a few of them at least, providing they're Christian - because all other religions and values are inferior I guess. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

How can some seriously not see this man for the despicable person he is?!

Where do you propose they all go then ? Are you going to rig up a couple of camp beds in your room or sling a few in the conservatory ?

What about healthcare ? most hospitals only just functioning due to pressure on the system. Too little investment or too many patients - same end result. What the hell import another few million, I'm sure we will cope.

Education. Don't know about where you live but here in Plympton they is not a single primary school place to be had. Sod it, sling up a load more schools & employ a load more teachers (which don't exist)

Employment, Difficult one. 50% of Muslim men & 75% of Muslim women already here don't work for whatever reason so it's fair to assume that others would be no different. So that leaves a further huge burden on the benefits system.

Then as the population of these minorities increase & colonize areas of cities or towns there is the integration / civil unrest problem a few years down the line (Stockholm, Marseille etc.) It's coming to the UK & only a fool (or a leftie) would argue otherwise.

I really don't know which planet you liberal lefties live on, but it sure as hell ain't Earth. Farage is speaking complete common sense.

exactly, this country is struggling enough to feed its own poor and treat its suffering to continue to allow everyone in.

So ask yourself Angry, who's really to blame? Is it immigrants exploiting this country, or the most powerful people in the country exploiting all of us? I know who I believe the answer is, I also know who the easier target is.

SwimWithTheTide wrote:

So ask yourself Angry, who's really to blame? Is it immigrants exploiting this country, or the most powerful people in the country exploiting all of us? I know who I believe the answer is, I also know who the easier target is.

adding to the problem solves nothing either. You can put down the owen jones handbook now.

Adding to the problem? Angry, immigration isn't the problem here. Its time we stood up for correct ethical values in business and refused to accept this clear abuse of power for selfish capitalist gains. Turning a blind eye and aiming the blame at someone else is only adding to the problem, allowing the exploitation of the masses to continue and for the inequality deficit between the elite and the every man grow to insurmountable levels. Cameron doesn't even know what the feckin living wage is - http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/david-cameron-goes-on-radio-1-gets-mauled-by-a-group-of-young-people--l1xHxiBgkgZ - its thus no surprise to find that so many are reliant on foodbanks, while the man in charge is ignorant to what someone requires for a decent standard of living.

SwimWithTheTide wrote:

Adding to the problem? Angry, immigration isn't the problem here. Its time we stood up for correct ethical values in business and refused to accept this clear abuse of power for selfish capitalist gains. Turning a blind eye and aiming the blame at someone else is only adding to the problem, allowing the exploitation of the masses to continue and for the inequality deficit between the elite and the every man grow to insurmountable levels. Cameron doesn't even know what the feckin living wage is - http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/david-cameron-goes-on-radio-1-gets-mauled-by-a-group-of-young-people--l1xHxiBgkgZ - its thus no surprise to find that so many are reliant on foodbanks, while the man in charge is ignorant to what someone requires for a decent standard of living.

While controlled immigration is very beneficial to the country. Allowing everyone with an unchecked sob story into the country like the ole days of new labour harms it.

Everything else you mentioned is illrelevant to this discussion

Irrelevant? Common Angry, don't be so blind mate. You'll be telling me to shut up and enjoy the ride soon enough as Brenty puts in a good 1,500 seater bench in place of the old Mayflower.

Keep all them plastics out, we can't accommodate them. We can't even feed our own, pasties are running out by 2:30 you know!!!

SwimWithTheTide wrote:

Irrelevant? Common Angry, don't be so blind mate. You'll be telling me to shut up and enjoy the ride soon enough as Brenty puts in a good 1,500 seater bench in place of the old Mayflower.

mentioning many different things that have nothing to do with immigration is irrelevant to the discussion.

Czarcasm wrote:

zyph wrote:

SwimWithTheTide wrote:

Unbelievable, the gift that keeps on giving. Farage will accept refugees, a few of them at least, providing they're Christian - because all other religions and values are inferior I guess. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

How can some seriously not see this man for the despicable person he is?!

Your words I assume.....If you want gifts Cameron is your man....a new gift every day to tempt you to vote for Thatcher MK2.

What's wrong with a "Christian" country being interested in the religion of the UK before others......we will be a minority religion soon if the flood of middle east/asian religions continues then it will be too late to think of the status-quo.

These days you simply cannot voice concerns like this without someone implying you're a card-carrying racist, Zyph.

Political correctness has taken the world over.....hasn't it ?

At least Nigel Farage says what most others dare only think and that's a breath of fresh air in these times......the answer he gets is....your a racist Farage.....maybe the racist is the person that calls him racist....because they haven't a constructive argument to what is staring them in the face,that things have gone too far in this country and some commonsense is required.

I admit there are those that have jumped on UKIP's bandwagon and they need weeding out.....they give those that can't cope with Farage and his direct style ammunition.....but at the end of the day Farage speaks a lot of common sense....and that is causing panic amongst the Westminister establishment.

We must get out of Europe and the terrible moneymaking machine that is the EEC for those that run it......sucking the life out of us to the tune of billions of pounds a year....we are living in a country that hasn't the right to catch the fish that live off our own coast......it's quoters,quoters.quoters and you just do what your told......Germany rule.....but didn't we win the war or have I got that wrong.

If you believe UKIP are anti-establishment then frankly you're deluded.

There are none so blind as those who cannot see.

Precisely, POI. Well said.

I reckon the SNP will have a majority in Scotland, down south equal split 40/ 40% Red and Blue with the rest making up the other 20%

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Iggy wrote:

I neither want your pity nor deserve it FFS. You are trying to paint me in a light of your making, I don't want anyone to drown where have I said that? I have also pointed out how the lack of immigration policy isn't helping, they are the ones in power who are letting the poor fuckers drown not me. Read what I said again and come out with a coherent argument against what I said, although as you and I seem to agree on most of the salient points in the argument that would be pointless. And where have I said they only come over for the benefits, you are accusing me of being the ukiper profiled bigot that exists mainly in your mind, get off your high horse and drink your milk.

The place is full of lefty wankers Iggs, they know fook all, their hero Tony Bliar created this mess along with the leaders of the EU/NATO/US warmongers society, now the do gooders want to fill Europe with piss poor, Islamist, nut bags, there's a recipe for peace and stability.

We have got to get out of both the Sandpit and the EU asap, develop decent border controls and secure the future of our children, the Daesh (ISIS, ISIL, IS) or whatever you want to call them are running this entire people smuggling racket, they are even sinking the boats to create an even bigger shit storm so our weak ass leaders throw open our doors to whichever chancers and terrorists want to come here.

I'm buying canned goods and shotgun carts.

Tony Blair, a Lefty hero. You are truly clueless.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Paven wrote:

Quick question, why have the BNP had such a dramatic fall recently?

I know - they've all joined UKIP.

Oh dear, you would be unaware then that ex BNP members are allowed to join any political party in the UK, except UKIP.

Now, why would UKIP have to specifically legislate against ex-BNP members joining them?  And how did UKIP end up with the endorsement of Nick Griffin, the EDL, Britain First and the rest of the far-right?

I guess the People's Army can't stop BNP members from nominating their council candidates...

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zyph wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

zyph wrote:

SwimWithTheTide wrote:

Unbelievable, the gift that keeps on giving. Farage will accept refugees, a few of them at least, providing they're Christian - because all other religions and values are inferior I guess. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

How can some seriously not see this man for the despicable person he is?!

Your words I assume.....If you want gifts Cameron is your man....a new gift every day to tempt you to vote for Thatcher MK2.

What's wrong with a "Christian" country being interested in the religion of the UK before others......we will be a minority religion soon if the flood of middle east/asian religions continues then it will be too late to think of the status-quo.

These days you simply cannot voice concerns like this without someone implying you're a card-carrying racist, Zyph.

Political correctness has taken the world over.....hasn't it ?

At least Nigel Farage says what most others dare only think and that's a breath of fresh air in these times......the answer he gets is....your a racist Farage.....maybe the racist is the person that calls him racist....because they haven't a constructive argument to what is staring them in the face,that things have gone too far in this country and some commonsense is required.

I admit there are those that have jumped on UKIP's bandwagon and they need weeding out.....they give those that can't cope with Farage and his direct style ammunition.....but at the end of the day Farage speaks a lot of common sense....and that is causing panic amongst the Westminister establishment.

We must get out of Europe and the terrible moneymaking machine that is the EEC for those that run it......sucking the life out of us to the tune of billions of pounds a year....we are living in a country that hasn't the right to catch the fish that live off our own coast......it's quoters,quoters.quoters and you just do what your told......Germany rule.....but didn't we win the war or have I got that wrong.

Its laughable how people still think this island is a huge international player. Leave the EU and we'll become an insignificant rock in the North Atlantic, used by tax avoiders.

If there is a reason to avoid the EU its the terrifying TTIP agreement which will effectively allow huge corporations to sue individual Governments if they introduce legislation that might affect their ability to trade within that nation. For instance tobacco giant Phillip Morris announcing it was going to sue the Australian Government for billions in damages after it announced that all cigarettes are to be sold in plain packaging.

However see if you can find any comment from man of the people Nige, where he completely oposes TTIP. There isn't one.

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Fwiw although no one will actually take what I say as face value but the immigration policy I would like to see put in place would be Farages Aussie styled points system. Feck all to do with being black, white, Asian whatever, I do not see us a Christian country. What I do see us as is a small island. Now bearing in mind that the population of Africa is 1.1bn you have to ask yourself firstly how many Africans can we accommodate in this country? How many Africans would rather live here than in Africa (I would guess at least half) then extrapolate this to Asia and south America. Then ask yourself what you think the population capacity is in this country bearing in mind our own population growing just by births outstripping deaths.
What we are seeing in Africa is Exodus, it is in biblical proportions, what I do know is firstly its not our fault and secondly you have to be really deluded to think that we as a nation have the resources, housing stock, hospitals and schools to house them all.

Hugh Watt wrote:

zyph wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

zyph wrote:

SwimWithTheTide wrote:

Unbelievable, the gift that keeps on giving. Farage will accept refugees, a few of them at least, providing they're Christian - because all other religions and values are inferior I guess. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

How can some seriously not see this man for the despicable person he is?!

Your words I assume.....If you want gifts Cameron is your man....a new gift every day to tempt you to vote for Thatcher MK2.

What's wrong with a "Christian" country being interested in the religion of the UK before others......we will be a minority religion soon if the flood of middle east/asian religions continues then it will be too late to think of the status-quo.

These days you simply cannot voice concerns like this without someone implying you're a card-carrying racist, Zyph.

Political correctness has taken the world over.....hasn't it ?

At least Nigel Farage says what most others dare only think and that's a breath of fresh air in these times......the answer he gets is....your a racist Farage.....maybe the racist is the person that calls him racist....because they haven't a constructive argument to what is staring them in the face,that things have gone too far in this country and some commonsense is required.

I admit there are those that have jumped on UKIP's bandwagon and they need weeding out.....they give those that can't cope with Farage and his direct style ammunition.....but at the end of the day Farage speaks a lot of common sense....and that is causing panic amongst the Westminister establishment.

We must get out of Europe and the terrible moneymaking machine that is the EEC for those that run it......sucking the life out of us to the tune of billions of pounds a year....we are living in a country that hasn't the right to catch the fish that live off our own coast......it's quoters,quoters.quoters and you just do what your told......Germany rule.....but didn't we win the war or have I got that wrong.

Its laughable how people still think this island is a huge international player. Leave the EU and we'll become an insignificant rock in the North Atlantic, used by tax avoiders.

If there is a reason to avoid the EU its the terrifying TTIP agreement which will effectively allow huge corporations to sue individual Governments if they introduce legislation that might affect their ability to trade within that nation. For instance tobacco giant Phillip Morris announcing it was going to sue the Australian Government for billions in damages after it announced that all cigarettes are to be sold in plain packaging.

However see if you can find any comment from man of the people Nige, where he completely oposes TTIP. There isn't one.

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Sorry I'm confused are you blaming Nige for this as well? Make no mistake this will privatise the NHS and is already doing so. Good comment from the author,

So I don’t know about you, but I’m scared. I would vote against TTIP, except… hang on a minute… I can’t. Like you, I have no say whatsoever in whether TTIP goes through or not.  All I can do is tell as many people about it as possible, as I hope, will you. We may be forced to accept an attack on democracy but we can at least fight against the conspiracy of silence.

I expect that when Africa/Asia is empty of population......and the last person has turned the lights out......we could sneak over there and live......and leave them to sort out the mess here.

Ok a touch of .... .... from me....but it is a thought.

Iggy wrote:

Fwiw although no one will actually take what I say as face value but the immigration policy I would like to see put in place would be Farages Aussie styled points system. Feck all to do with being black, white, Asian whatever, I do not see us a Christian country. What I do see us as is a small island. Now bearing in mind that the population of Africa is 1.1bn you have to ask yourself firstly how many Africans can we accommodate in this country? How many Africans would rather live here than in Africa (I would guess at least half) then extrapolate this to Asia and south America. Then ask yourself what you think the population capacity is in this country bearing in mind our own population growing just by births outstripping deaths.
What we are seeing in Africa is Exodus, it is in biblical proportions, what I do know is firstly its not our fault and secondly you have to be really deluded to think that we as a nation have the resources, housing stock, hospitals and schools to house them all.

So a good start would be to deal with the cause of the exodus and not the symptoms, starting with not abolishing the foreign aid budget.  

It's also worth pointing out that more migrants than not (they're never expats unless they're British are they?) are young, healthy and childless. EU citizens living in the UK make a net contribution to the public purse according to various studies, most recently by UCL).

Thirdly, given that the British invaded a quarter of the world, stole its resources, caused the deaths of millions of people and sold humans like livestock, it's not unreasonable for their descendants to expect something in return from the world's sixth richest country.

Cornish Chris wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Fwiw although no one will actually take what I say as face value but the immigration policy I would like to see put in place would be Farages Aussie styled points system. Feck all to do with being black, white, Asian whatever, I do not see us a Christian country. What I do see us as is a small island. Now bearing in mind that the population of Africa is 1.1bn you have to ask yourself firstly how many Africans can we accommodate in this country? How many Africans would rather live here than in Africa (I would guess at least half) then extrapolate this to Asia and south America. Then ask yourself what you think the population capacity is in this country bearing in mind our own population growing just by births outstripping deaths.
What we are seeing in Africa is Exodus, it is in biblical proportions, what I do know is firstly its not our fault and secondly you have to be really deluded to think that we as a nation have the resources, housing stock, hospitals and schools to house them all.

So a good start would be to deal with the cause of the exodus and not the symptoms, starting with not abolishing the foreign aid budget.  

It's also worth pointing out that more migrants than not (they're never expats unless they're British are they?) are young, healthy and childless. EU citizens living in the UK make a net contribution to the public purse according to various studies, most recently by UCL).

Thirdly, given that the British invaded a quarter of the world, stole its resources, caused the deaths of millions of people and sold humans like livestock, it's not unreasonable for their descendants to expect something in return from the world's sixth richest country.

Good post Iggy, Chris your last paragraph is truly laughable, time to move on ffs!