Brent emotionally blackmails Council - Club Statement

Richard Blight wrote:

I get the distinct impression from various sources that this 'statement' could have backfired big time. A lot of people are seriously unimpressed by this attempt to divert attention away from the shortcomings of HHP by attacking the Bretonside plans.

It makes me wonder who's responsible for this strategic cock up? Who wrote the statement?

Foreshorely it was the media king of savvy, and the guy who I personally struggle to keep up with...?

Motorservices wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Motorservices wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Motorservices wrote:

I was looking forward to a read of the farm tonight

We (ecfc) did try and warn pafc, some (people on here) listened, the farm didnt, they now have shit all over there faces

I pretty sure most on ATD didn't need to listen to any warnings. We were and are well aware of Brents shortcomings.

have another read of what ive posted, you will see ive said just that, but thanks for clearing that up for anyone that didnt understand

Erm, no. You said some people on here listened to your warnings. My point was - we already knew, therefore we didn't need your warnings.

all wrong again, i put and meant some listen (people on here) and then went on to say the ones that didnt listen are over on the farm

come on its not that hard

anyway, how long before Brent goes and you have a 40k stand built?

Capacity or monetary value?

Dougie wrote:

TheChrisWebb speaks

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Absolutely farcical that the Bretonside proposal risks the Grandstand and the future of Argyle. Council needs to act now #pafc

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Tudor Evans 2002 "I will create a ground fit for champions". Argyle fans,12 years later RETWEET if you demand he comes good #pafc #plymouth

Just STFU webb

Greenskin wrote:

Motorservices wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Motorservices wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Motorservices wrote:

I was looking forward to a read of the farm tonight

We (ecfc) did try and warn pafc, some (people on here) listened, the farm didnt, they now have shit all over there faces

I pretty sure most on ATD didn't need to listen to any warnings. We were and are well aware of Brents shortcomings.

have another read of what ive posted, you will see ive said just that, but thanks for clearing that up for anyone that didnt understand

Erm, no. You said some people on here listened to your warnings. My point was - we already knew, therefore we didn't need your warnings.

all wrong again, i put and meant some listen (people on here) and then went on to say the ones that didnt listen are over on the farm

come on its not that hard

anyway, how long before Brent goes and you have a 40k stand built?

Capacity or monetary value?

haha, thats the sort of reply i like, i meant cap, but monetary wise if so are you looking to ground share with us lmao

I would love it one day with greenarmy84 type brent fan came on here and tried to explain why our club's chances of flourishing relie (sic) on brent having his clusterfuck that makes him not us richer while we get a very small grandstand thats landlocked and will permanently capp our capacity to under 18000. Also, this said person could one day answer why with all that i stated just now how that is is seen as good and certain to get this club in a higher league and stay there?

Pathetic, child - like behaviour from Argyle, why has it taken so long for the penny to drop that, omg, there is another development elsewhere?

So village.

I thought we were expecting to be told some exciting news re - the build any time soon???

Speccy is a busted flush, a chancer who has milked his last freebie in Plymouth!

Porky playing the crowd, now wants 25k seats?
One minute he's speccys mate and has inside info, the next "i know nothing" is getting rather boring.

Postey, posting ultimatums, what a cnut, who the hell does he think he is, fecking mug seller!

The Pres, well, once a sell-out, actually if you're as good and skilled as you say you are, re-read your CV matey and see if you can do a Gerry Robinson style fix on this lot then!

Chickens coming home to roost on this turkey,rather appropiate for this time of year!

Chemical Ali wrote:

Chemical Ali wrote:

I think ICO3 have something to do with pasoti- are they the provider? Other sites (mentioned on ICO3's twitter) don't have a problem. Or are ICO3 the pasoti webpage designer?

@pasoti1 has tweeted that the servers are held by Rapidswitch

He's got that wrong its Rapidswitch(OFF)

## erald slightly updated story ##

Funny how the comfy chair treatment brigade have suddenly started to worry about the West End of the City Centre after dismissing the arguments that HHP as an out of town development was detrimental to the City Centre.

All the Presidents Men wrote:

Pathetic, child - like behaviour from Argyle, why has it taken so long for the penny to drop that, omg, there is another development elsewhere?

So village.

I thought we were expecting to be told some exciting news re - the build any time soon???

Speccy is a busted flush, a chancer who has milked his last freebie in Plymouth!

Porky playing the crowd, now wants 25k seats?
One minute he's speccys mate and has inside info, the next "i know nothing" is getting rather boring.

Postey, posting ultimatums, what a cnut, who the hell does he think he is, fecking mug seller!

The Pres, well, once a sell-out, actually if you're as good and skilled as you say you are, re-read your CV matey and see if you can do a Gerry Robinson style fix on this lot then!

Chickens coming home to roost on this turkey,rather  appropiate for this time of year!

Simply marvellous

Well. having better things to do I've just caught up and find it hard to believe the "club" could have even contemplated issuing such a statement. As Mock says the dead hand of Peter Jones is writ large all over it, foreshore. He increasingly shows himself up as a niggardly, spoilt child when anything doesn't seem to be going his way. Better they concentrate their efforts on selling up or financing the club as an investment to be profited on in the future.

As for his cheerleaders, well what can be said that hasn't been a thousand times on here.

I think the attacks on Tudor Evans are going to backfire on the dogs of war. Despite appearing to be utterly incompetent, Evans has survived in politics for 20 years and he will make mincemeat out of Webb and Nool.

And how damaging will any statement from PCC be for Brent? The council have bent over backwards for him and he has achieved feck all. It really is that simple.

green_genie wrote:

## erald slightly updated story ##

Funny how the comfy chair treatment brigade have suddenly started to worry about the West End of the City Centre after dismissing the arguments that HHP as an out of town development was detrimental to the City Centre.

I noticed that GG.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

I have never been a fan of Tudor BUT:

1. PCC pay JB £1.6 million for the freehold of Home Park, giving JB a profit of £900,000 over the purchase price paid to Lombard.
2. PCC hand JB the keys to the Pavilions plus £2million to enable HHP.
3. PCC waive all business rates for HP for two years and half the rates for the third year.
4. PCC grant a lease on additional pieces of land to make HHP work for JB.
5. PCC loans PAFC up to £800,000 to cover historical debt.

The people to thank for saving PAFC are PCC.

JB had 18 months to sort out the financing for HHP before British Land were on the scene. He failed to do so. That failure together with the failure of JB to develop any single project he is involved in naturally leads PCC to look to other developers to work with.

The Council WERE in talks with JB regarding the rebuild of the Grandstand. The relationship is obviously dead now. Going to war with your landlord will never lead to a happy outcome. Rather than put out pathetic 'going to war' statements fans (both individual and through the AFT) should be putting pressure on the Board to rebuild those relationships with the only body that has put their hands into their coffers and saved our club.

These figures are very important given the 'what has PCC done for Argyle brigade' are coming out in force. What other business in Plymouth have received such council tax payer support? And wait for someone to mention how much is given to the arts in Plymouth - it won't be long.

It's lovely as well to see people quoting Tudor's balcony outburst from 12 years ago - if only the same people were constantly on the back of the Council for those 12 years that viewpoint might garner some respect. I don't recall Thethe or the Chauffeur on a march or candlelit vigil or unleashing the dogs of was demanding the Council honoured it's pledge.

Here's some emotional blackmail, how about the poor, the old, the sick, the young, and the vulnerable of Plymouth demand that Brent gives back the million pounds he has not paid in rent and rates..................

Charlie Wood wrote:

Well. having better things to do I've just caught up and find it hard to believe the "club" could have even contemplated issuing such a statement. As Mock says the dead hand of Peter Jones is writ large all over it, foreshore. He increasingly shows himself up as a niggardly, spoilt child when anything doesn't seem to be going his way. Better they concentrate their efforts on selling up or financing the club as an investment to be profited on in the future.

As for his cheerleaders, well what can be said that hasn't been a thousand times on here.

Given what Peter Jones brings to the Argyle table (nothing), he ought to just toddle off and support Man Utd.

Not one comment in the Herald taken from the net/Facebook backs Mr Brents plans against Brentonside.

Bet onside will be built. Brent will look to exit the south west as a whole and then milk another region with promises of a golden future and many developments imminent while all the time getting tax breaks, concessions, loans and handouts.

Argyle will probably be back to the days when we couldn't pay the gas bill and administration.

If HHP was a good bet the big companies would have their trotters all over it. It'd not and said companies are looking at other sites.

Really concerned at this turn of events. We are in harms way make no mistake. There is no one interested in pafc or its new stand.

Where do we go from here? Seems that we are enduring the NWO all over again. Promises and smoke and mirrors.

Hence why the trust should take brent too task now before it gets too late

Some of the people claiming PCC have shafted JB should consider the timeline of events relating to HHP.


Oct 2011 PCC pay JB £1.6 million for the freehold of Home Park, giving JB a profit of £900,000 over the purchase price paid to Lombard.

Mar 2012 PCC grant a lease on additional pieces of land to make HHP work for JB. Land valued at £400K but now worth twice the value under security for £800K PCC balloon payment loan.

Oct 2012 PCC hand JB the keys to the Pavilions plus £2million to enable HHP. JB's Five Directions Ltd company subsequently valued at £5M allowing £900K transfer to pension pot.

May 2013 Planning Application submitted and Odeon named as anchor tenant.

Sept 2013 Planning Approval subject to number of conditions which there appears to have been no progress on

Mar 2014 Bretonside Development first publicised

Aug 2014 Studio School officially dead after confirmation that it could never be considered at HHP.

Aug 2014 PCC leader Tudor Evans claims HHP has no Hotel partner and was reliant upon 16% (app £8M) funding from PCC and PCH. JB has not clarified which parts of statement he claims to be inaccurate

I have no love for Tudor and think Plymouth hasnt progressed nearly as much as it should have under his watch but you cant fault him where supporting our club with council tax payers money is concerned.

I doubt any other council would give as much to a man with NOTHING back in return.

green_genie wrote:

Some of the people claiming PCC have shafted JB should consider the timeline of events relating to HHP.


Oct 2011 PCC pay JB £1.6 million for the freehold of Home Park, giving JB a profit of £900,000 over the purchase price paid to Lombard.

Mar 2012 PCC grant a lease on additional pieces of land to make HHP work for JB. Land valued at £400K but now worth twice the value under security for £800K PCC balloon payment loan.

Oct 2012 PCC hand JB the keys to the Pavilions plus £2million to enable HHP. JB's Five Directions Ltd company subsequently valued at £5M allowing £900K transfer to pension pot.

May 2013 Planning Application submitted and Odeon named as anchor tenant.

Sept 2013 Planning Approval subject to number of conditions which there appears to have been no progress on

Mar 2014 Bretonside Development first publicised

Aug 2014 Studio School officially dead after confirmation that it could never be considered at HHP.

Aug 2014 PCC leader Tudor Evans claims HHP has no Hotel partner and was reliant upon 16% (app £8M) funding from PCC and PCH. JB has not clarified which parts of statement he claims to be inaccurate

This should be writ large here there and everywhere - it's very very important against the backdrop of those claiming that PCC has done nothing for Argyle and are now abandoning them

Angry wrote:

Hence why the trust should take brent too task now before it gets too late

Take him to task ?

He will ignore them as usual and send them to Coventry should they say anything nasty in print. He only entertains them as bucket rattlers.

Not until the Trust draws up battle lines, demanding answers and clearly spelling out the bigger picture to the wider fanbase through a free and widely distributed Xmas Special Fanzine, will the farm led support for the fine gentleman be shown up for what it is and for what they are..............self promoting toadies. Once the current shyster is gone they'll be cosying up to the next fine gentleman, or god forbid, fronting a phoenix club in tier 8 and the club will continue to be lacking in any class or integrity.

If the Trust fails to lead now and provide a rallying point, it really is a waste of space. I doubt they'll do it, as they would be cast out by the fine gentleman and bullied by his jamboys, meaning no more disco dancing and interviews with the players.

Be brave and this should be the seminal moment for the Trust and membership will balloon.

I wote on the Herald web, that Brent is more worried about  losing his pension pot then helping Argyle, The Friends of Central Park would back the Brentonside plan then Brents. (DELETED)

It's going to get messy mark my words.