Shez slags club over Hourihane

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

Xthrobber and the regular farm lickers were all saying selling Hourihane for two hundred grant was a great deal. I beg to disagree which i did at the time, it was a shit deal by a no ambition clueless regime, jose murihinio could not get this club promoted under the dead hand of Brent! Sherridan aint great but who else could polish this green Turd?

They are truly retarded if they think £200,000 was a good deal and no one really and the fact Sheridan a manager who has won this league and done well at oldham and chesterfield in leagues 2 and 1 is struggling that should tell you about the club at the moment. its not the football thats important its the hhp

VillageGreen wrote:

Do you suggest a Fletcher type scenario perhaps, but involving a fan hero as a cheaper alternative ?.

If Sheridan was to leave Argyle then I would not want that, but I would want a manager who could get the team playing, and playing well.

Sheridan still has that chance though [as his remaining backers will point out], but he must be treading on egg shells right now regarding his future at Argyle. If come the end of the Cheltenham Town match Argyle are still in a mid-low L2 table position, he will have to be spoken to and probably be removed.

If he has had enough here already, then he should do the proper thing and resign, stating differences as the reason. Those differences are probably a mix of both personal and employment.

That's what I was getting at VG.

We all know the "competitive budget" doesn't stretch to managers or players capable of getting Argyle out of this division in the right direction. The need for a brimming pension pot prevents that.

It must be hugely frustrating for Sheridan to be forced to sign Poundland reject players & hugely demoralizing too no doubt seeing teams with turnovers 50-75% smaller than ours able to out sign & out perform us.

Very surprised it's taken this long for chinks to start appearing.

I wish more people would aim their vitriol at the organ grinder rather than the monkey

Greenskin wrote:

Here's what he said about the sale of Conor Hourihane in the 'erald today;

"We were always going to miss a player like Conor.The lad went for £200k and should have gone for £400-500k in my eyes".

Wonder who sanctioned the deal-Starnes maybe or that finance director [Turner?]? Either way it's a bit of a slap down for the people who agreed to sell the bloke in the first place and for apparently not taking notice of the professional opinion of a chap who has been involved at very high levels of football for over 30 years.Maybe food for thought for some who possibly aren't seeing the woods for the trees at the moment as far as the Argyle scene is concerned.  

Steps back in amazement ! Did Shez really say that ?

Tringreen wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Here's what he said about the sale of Conor Hourihane in the 'erald today;

"We were always going to miss a player like Conor.The lad went for £200k and should have gone for £400-500k in my eyes".

Wonder who sanctioned the deal-Starnes maybe or that finance director [Turner?]? Either way it's a bit of a slap down for the people who agreed to sell the bloke in the first place and for apparently not taking notice of the professional opinion of a chap who has been involved at very high levels of football for over 30 years.Maybe food for thought for some who possibly aren't seeing the woods for the trees at the moment as far as the Argyle scene is concerned.  

Steps back in amazement ! Did Shez really say that ?

Unless the Herald is telling king size porkies,then indeed he did.

It's all everyone else's fault except Sheridan's, I really feel sorry for him. Last week it was Nathan Thomas's fault for not coming off the bench and winning the game, even if the reason he didn't do that was because the manager didn't even put him on. This week it is Banton's fault for having a poor game, getting booed during the match, and not suddenly playing like it was spring 2012 in the 75th minute. And also the club's fault for selling Hourihane about 4 months ago.

But the main thing is Argyle losing to Wycombe is not Sheridan's fault, and just as long as that is clear.

Maybe our midfield wouldn't be so weak if Sherryfan hadn't replaced Young with Norburn. I know Young may not be "good enough for L1", but was he really worse than a guy whose main achievement is helping Brizzle Rovers get relegated to the conference?

Far too early to be calling for the managers head but the knives will be sharpening if we lose again tomorrow. Sheridan and the team need to buck up.  BRENT OUT TOUT SUITE

I wasnt pleased witg the transfer, but how many League 2 players get sold for6 figures nowadays? I cant think of many, but happy to be proved wrong if people can quote some.

FY 310 wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

Do you suggest a Fletcher type scenario perhaps, but involving a fan hero as a cheaper alternative ?.

If Sheridan was to leave Argyle then I would not want that, but I would want a manager who could get the team playing, and playing well.

Sheridan still has that chance though [as his remaining backers will point out], but he must be treading on egg shells right now regarding his future at Argyle. If come the end of the Cheltenham Town match Argyle are still in a mid-low L2 table position, he will have to be spoken to and probably be removed.

If he has had enough here already, then he should do the proper thing and resign, stating differences as the reason. Those differences are probably a mix of both personal and employment.

That's what I was getting at VG.

We all know the "competitive budget" doesn't stretch to managers or players capable of getting Argyle out of this division in the right direction. The need for a brimming pension pot prevents that.

It must be hugely frustrating for Sheridan to be forced to sign Poundland reject players & hugely demoralizing too no doubt seeing teams with turnovers 50-75% smaller than ours able to out sign & out perform us.

Very surprised it's taken this long for chinks to start appearing.  

I wish more people would aim their vitriol at the organ grinder rather than the monkey  

I understand what you are saying, I am not a fan of Sheridan or Brent. I am a fan of Plymouth Argyle FC and I want the best for the club. That does not seem to be happening at the moment.

AstiSpumante wrote:

ejh wrote:

It's all everyone else's fault except Sheridan's, I really feel sorry for him. Last week it was Nathan Thomas's fault for not coming off the bench and winning the game, even if the reason he didn't do that was because the manager didn't even put him on. This week it is Banton's fault for having a poor game, getting booed during the match, and not suddenly playing like it was spring 2012 in the 75th minute. And also the club's fault for selling Hourihane about 4 months ago.

But the main thing is Argyle losing to Wycombe is not Sheridan's fault, and just as long as that is clear.

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If you read the sentences he spouts out, he takes anything but 'full responsibility'.

He picks on individuals (at least he didn't name them this time) and says they have to improve.

That might be the case but it hints that he sees the problem in the players, not his own coaching, motivation, selection of signings, tactics etc.

Womble wrote:

I wasnt pleased witg the transfer, but how many League 2 players get sold for6 figures nowadays?  I cant think of many, but happy to be proved wrong if people can quote some.

In older times, the likes of Kitson, Le Fondre, Jon Stead etc. all went for considerable sums.

The modern game is geared towards short contracts, agents maximising their fees, players wanting signing on fees - thus changing clubs as often as possible.

Clubs don't have to wait too long to get a player (us with Lee Cox for example) so paying £200k for a player is a bit silly. Half of that could have paid a decent enough player to fill in until Hourihane's contract ran out. However they wanted their man -they wanted to build an exciting, attacking new team - and CH was going to be a big part of that.

ejh wrote:

Womble wrote:

I wasnt pleased witg the transfer, but how many League 2 players get sold for6 figures nowadays?  I cant think of many, but happy to be proved wrong if people can quote some.

In older times, the likes of Kitson, Le Fondre, Jon Stead etc. all went for considerable sums.

The modern game is geared towards short contracts, agents maximising their fees, players wanting signing on fees - thus changing clubs as often as possible.

Clubs don't have to wait too long to get a player (us with Lee Cox for example) so paying £200k for a player is a bit silly. Half of that could have paid a decent enough player to fill in until Hourihane's contract ran out. However they wanted their man -they wanted to build an exciting, attacking new team - and CH was going to be a big part of that.

Shez said when he made Hourihane Captain that he would build a side around him, I believe if we had kept Hourihane we would be up and around the top three now, that's where to lay the blame for missed promotion. Seriously what was Shez meant to do when Brent bunged him a couple of quid to replace him? The problem is no club in our league can afford to buy a player like Hourihane we have to develop them and then when we have an actual twenty goal a season man like RR we have to get promoted and then cash in big style, the blame as always goes to the very top of the pyramid.

There is one thing worse that no one mentioned then and now.....

He was sold for a plymouth price

Is it just coincedence the team he plays for lets in more goals than they score? I watched our midfield for three years get overrun by crap teams. Defensively without him we look tight and without looking at stats we concede less and are scoring a few ourselves. Have we made a better start without him compared to previous seasons?

stephensdad wrote:

Is it just coincedence the team he plays for lets in more goals than they score? I watched our midfield for three years get overrun by crap teams. Defensively without him we look tight and without looking at stats we concede less and are scoring a few ourselves. Have we made a better start without him compared to previous seasons?

Interesting point.Argyle have indeed made a better start than when Hourihane was in the team-in fact,when all's said and done and the wailing and gnashing of teeth has subsided,statisically this is Argyle's best start to a season for 10 years! Not saying much in all truth though.Over the piece last season,Argyle were fairly solid defensively-a couple of four goal hidings didn't help the final figure,which was 58 conceded-probably could be described as bang average.Difficult to believe that any defensive weakness of one midfielder could make that much difference to the overall picture but it's true that Argyle are looking solid this season-7 conceded in 9 games,very reasonable.Question of balance i suppose.

Apart from Nelson we have an entirely different defence to last season. Mellor, Hartley and McHugh.

In my opinion pepsi, the defence is not being troubled . I have only seen the home games and overall we have dominated games a lot more than previous seasons. I use to walk away from Home Park feeling week after week we deserved to lose. These days we are more dominant at home especially.

stephensdad wrote:

In my opinion pepsi, the defence is not being troubled . I have only seen the home games and overall we have dominated games a lot more than previous seasons. I use to walk away from Home Park feeling week after week we deserved to lose. These days we are more dominant at home especially.

Maybe that would also be an effect of playing two basically defensive midfielders in Cox and O'Connor to protect the back four.

It is funny how things work out, as when he (CH) first came here i thought he was dreadful, as did many others. I admit he improved greatly and his sale is a huge blow.

Now he scores at will for Barnsley.

If he had gone for the price Sheridan quoted, i wonder how much Brent would have given to Sheridan to go and find decent replacement, bearing in mind monies deducted for the repayment purposes.

We have tightened up defensively, score more goals and are winning more matches. We are also more dominant in my opinion.

Angry wrote:

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

Xthrobber and the regular farm lickers were all saying selling Hourihane for two hundred grant was a great deal. I beg to disagree which i did at the time, it was a shit deal by a no ambition clueless regime, jose murihinio could not get this club promoted under the dead hand of Brent! Sherridan aint great but who else could polish this green Turd?

They are truly retarded if they think £200,000 was a good deal and no one really and the fact Sheridan a manager who has won this league and done well at oldham and chesterfield in leagues 2 and 1 is struggling that should tell you about the club at the moment. its not the football thats important its the hhp

Erm, never said it was a "great deal" at all, it was a 'Hobson's choice' deal, as good a deal as we were ever likely to get in the circumstances.

When a player decides he's going to leave you're left with the choice to either get what you can now or accept you'll get nothing in a year's time.

Would he have given us £200,000 (plus wages) value as a disgruntled player forced to play in league 2? One's level of "retarded"ness would depend on one's answer. Personally I don't think so.

The club did the right thing but I'd far rather he'd stayed. If you're gonna quote me, at least get it right.

X Isle wrote:

Angry wrote:

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

Xthrobber and the regular farm lickers were all saying selling Hourihane for two hundred grant was a great deal. I beg to disagree which i did at the time, it was a shit deal by a no ambition clueless regime, jose murihinio could not get this club promoted under the dead hand of Brent! Sherridan aint great but who else could polish this green Turd?

They are truly retarded if they think £200,000 was a good deal and no one really and the fact Sheridan a manager who has won this league and done well at oldham and chesterfield in leagues 2 and 1 is struggling that should tell you about the club at the moment. its not the football thats important its the hhp

Erm, never said it was a "great deal" at all, it was a 'Hobson's choice' deal, as good a deal as we were ever likely to get in the circumstances.

When a player decides he's going to leave you're left with the choice to either get what you can now or accept you'll get nothing in a year's time.

Would he have given us £200,000 (plus wages) value as a disgruntled player forced to play in league 2? One's level of "retarded"ness would depend on one's answer. Personally I don't think so.

The club did the right thing but I'd far rather he'd stayed. If you're gonna quote me, at least get it right.

i didnt x throbber ss68 did what a helmet and i stand by the fact your retarded if you think £200,000 was a good deal if thats why your back on here.

It was for both of you, one for the misquote, t'other for being a sheep.

We clearly have differing opinions on what retarded means, and I'm quite comfortable my interpretation is sound.

X Isle wrote:

It was for both of you, one for the misquote, t'other for being a sheep.

We clearly have differing opinions on what retarded means, and I'm quite comfortable my interpretation is sound.

your are a sheep who follows blindly and are retarded because you think we got a good deal for hourihane aswell as having ago at stay at home fans while being one yourself.


retarded sheep