Last day to lodge planning objections with PCC.

Well if it was based on an election there would be a clear winner and by a very large margin so far.

It maybe something that Tudor Evans should be concerned about.

green_genie wrote:

Fair play to 'em. All 10 pages included in today's multiple

Cracking objection GG..... emotion-free, clear and backed up with hard evidence.

Have you sent it anywhere else?

There are some well informed objections among that lot, it could get interesting!

I'm certainly not happy with the Grandstand size and am bemused with this school and dentist set up but theres absolutely no chance this development will be declined.
Id go as far as saying that Brent knows in advance about certain elements that will need to be changed and will be expecting them in advance. He then proceeds with exactly what he really wanted and all sides consider a victory gained.
Brent is far to clever for there even being a 1% chance of total decline. He knows.

I'm sure I'm not alone in saying a big thank you to Green Genie. A considered,educated wanker

Owe you one!

Frankie_Fredericks wrote:

I'm certainly not happy with the Grandstand size and am bemused with this school and dentist set up but theres absolutely no chance this development will be declined.
Id go as far as saying that Brent knows in advance about certain elements that will need to be changed and will be expecting them in advance. He then proceeds with exactly what he really wanted and all sides consider a victory gained.
Brent is far to clever for there even being a 1% chance of total decline. He knows.

Can't argue with that.

I expect the 'protestors' to gain a couple of small victories, but the monstrosity that is the overall project will still go ahead.

Frankie_Fredericks wrote:

I'm certainly not happy with the Grandstand size and am bemused with this school and dentist set up but theres absolutely no chance this development will be declined.
Id go as far as saying that Brent knows in advance about certain elements that will need to be changed and will be expecting them in advance. He then proceeds with exactly what he really wanted and all sides consider a victory gained.
Brent is far to clever for there even being a 1% chance of total decline. He knows.

Welcome Frankie.

That was my first thought about all of this but having been sad enough to trawl through all of the letters and e-mails for and against the plans I honestly can't see how it can go ahead unless there are significant changes. I'm probably being naive thinking like that because palms are almost certainly greased in a development like this but PCC have to justify this to the residents of Plymouth and there are a large number of people objecting to the plans who have made valid points. The people who are for the plans are all Argyle fans who couldn't give a shit about the future of the club if you ask me.

Where do we see the comments etc?

Nice balance from the Herald today

Quite an emotive ## eco letter ## highlighting the deficiencies of Akkeron ecology study.

Should have done research on this for Objections. If anyone has spare couple of hours today you could still play an absolute showstopper by googling new development ecology study and comparing to the one in planning.

Sure IJN will testify to seeing lizards (protected great crested newts?) and bats (which species?) within walking distance of HHP

## Business Article ## from conference promoter saying plans are good for city. Shame they didn't ask him how much better the original Life Centre plan for Cottage Field would have been.

Greenjock wrote:

Frankie_Fredericks wrote:

I'm certainly not happy with the Grandstand size and am bemused with this school and dentist set up but theres absolutely no chance this development will be declined.
Id go as far as saying that Brent knows in advance about certain elements that will need to be changed and will be expecting them in advance. He then proceeds with exactly what he really wanted and all sides consider a victory gained.
Brent is far to clever for there even being a 1% chance of total decline. He knows.

Welcome Frankie.

That was my first thought about all of this but having been sad enough to trawl through all of the letters and e-mails for and against the plans I honestly can't see how it can go ahead unless there are significant changes. I'm probably being naive thinking like that because palms are almost certainly greased in a development like this but PCC have to justify this to the residents of Plymouth and there are a large number of people objecting to the plans who have made valid points. The people who are for the plans are all Argyle fans who couldn't give a shit about the future of the club if you ask me.

Welcome Frankie.

That's exactly how I see it Jock. Until recently I would have agreed with Mock that this is merely a bluff by Brent to get through what he really wants and that this was just his wish list, after all, he can afford the best in the west when it comes to expertise and he has been well in favour with one or two local Councillors, but now I am not so sure.

We portray Brent as being a clever man but lets face it, a clever man wouldn't need to be devious and misleading and he wouldn't need to surround himself with thugs and puppets. We've seen fek up after fek up by Brent as far as the Club is concerned and his judgement of "friends" that he has associated with has at best been ill-informed, at worst it's been amateur and cheap. To be honest I am not so sure that the outrage against the mini stand would have been half as fierce had he chose a different propaganda machine then the pasoti owners or the perceived insincere and false President.

Thank God he did because if it wasn't for the behavior of his "associates" the use of pasoti as a tool for bending opinion would have been a success and nobody would have found out about the characters behind Deep-throat,the silencing of opposing voices, the deviousness of directors, the collecting of information of potential objectors, the associate director being an owner of pasoti etc. etc.  

It could well be that palms have been greased, we know that it happens in business, but would anyone be so daft to take such a bun knowing that hundreds of scrutinizing eyes are watching every single move they make? Maybe Brent will call in a few favours from his Councillor friends but it would be a big ask!

I have read many of the letters that have gone to the planning office and many are extremely well informed. This game isn't over by a long way, in my opinion it's wide open and I think that James and his crew could well be onto a bashing!

GOB wrote:

Well if it was based on an election there would be a clear winner and by a very large margin so far.

It maybe something that Tudor Evans should be concerned about.

Democracy is dead. A quote I saw somewhere said something like "politics is now something that's done to people, not for people". It's a case of PCC thinking it knows best what the people its supposed to serve wants and doesn't want....."despite the overwhelming objections and legitimate concerns we believe this development is good for the people, therefore they will have it."

BRENT OUT
EVANS OUT

Freathy wrote:

.....

Democracy is dead. A quote I saw somewhere said something like "politics is now something that's done to people, not for people".  It's a case of PCC thinking it knows best what the people its supposed to serve wants and doesn't want....."despite the overwhelming objections and legitimate concerns we believe this development is good for the people, therefore they will have it."
......

I'm afraid I think you're right.

I actually don't think that Mr Brent has manipulated pasoti & its owner. I think they have seen their opportunity to be in there where the spotlight is. The choices that Mr Brent makes of his "friends" speaks more about his approach to business than anything else.

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This is only one battle that has been fought, with the amount of decent well thought out objections there I am confident that this will go to the next level, unless Brent bins two thirds of the retail to get the development under 5000m 2 in which case I would see it as at least a partial victory. I can't see how this is not going to be called in to the secretary of state, and if it does Brent will shit bricks because that won't be a quick process and the Secretary of state could well insist a lot of it is moved to the city centre.
Back to the present, let's have a rest for a couple of days, re group and start the next offensive, this is not over, PCC need to know our views on their role as Landlords of HP and they need reminding of their obligations to the club. The govt. need to be bombarded with at least as many letters asking them to call the application in, sitting back now will allow Brent to get more of this over the line than if we keep the pressure up, enough pressure and Brent may well concede a load of ground now to stop getting sucked into a long drawn out planning battle.

Iggy wrote:

This is only one battle that has been fought, with the amount of decent well thought out objections there I am confident that this will go to the next level, unless Brent bins two thirds of the retail to get the development under 5000m 2 in which case I would see it as at least a partial victory. I can't see how this is not going to be called in to the secretary of state, and if it does Brent will shit bricks because that won't be a quick process and the Secretary of state could well insist a lot of it is moved to the city centre.
Back to the present, let's have a rest for a couple of days, re group and start the next offensive, this is not over, PCC need to know our views on their role as Landlords of HP and they need reminding of their obligations to the club. The govt. need to be bombarded with at least as many letters asking them to call the application in, sitting back now will allow Brent to get more of this over the line than if we keep the pressure up, enough pressure and Brent may well concede a load of ground now to stop getting sucked into a long drawn out planning battle.

Good points well made, totally agree.

Not so sure this retail 5000sqm thing is a go-er.

Received a reply from Maria Bowen, a planning casework officer.

"The Govt is clear that localisation and decentralisation are at the heart of their planning agenda and the general approach of the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Gov't is not to interfere with the jurisdiction of authorities on planning matter.

The Secretary of State only calls in applications where issues of more than local importance arise."

I'd c/p the whole lot but it's on some annoying document which doesn't allow it...the gist was, I think we're relying on the local planners unforch.

Pokesdown wrote:

I'm sure I'm not alone in saying a big thank you to Green Genie. A considered,educated wanker

Owe you one!

well said. do you think gg should take over from evans?


onwards and upwards! (to the next level of govt)

Mapperley, darling wrote:

Pokesdown wrote:

I'm sure I'm not alone in saying a big thank you to Green Genie. A considered,educated wanker

Owe you one!

well said.  do you think gg should take over from evans?


onwards and upwards! (to the next level of govt)

Totally agree. If Brent is forced to make amendments then it will quite possibly be in some small way due to the info provided by Green Genie for us all to use.

Get that man a mural!  

Thanks for all your hard work Agent Genie, from all the real fans.

knecht wrote:

At Last......

Tringreen likes this.

Oh dear oh dear Mr Webb and Newell!

This taken direct from one of the objections on the planning page:

From:
Sent: 01 July 2013 11:19
To: Planning Consents
Subject: Plymouth City Council Online Planning - Comment
Application Number: 13/00942/FUL
Name: Jamie Edwards
Address: I do not feel comfortable providing my address for fear of reprisals. This stems from a
recent twitter conversation I witnessed by two high profile connections to PAFC about sharing a
USB containing the name and address of people objecting to the plans. I have evidence of this if
needed.
Comment Type: Object
Comment: I write to fully object to the development plans at Home Park.

Mock Cuncher wrote:

Not so sure this retail 5000sqm thing is a go-er.

Received a reply from Maria Bowen, a planning casework officer.

"The Govt is clear that localisation and decentralisation are at the heart of their planning agenda and the general approach of the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Gov't is not to interfere with the jurisdiction of authorities on planning matter.

The Secretary of State only calls in applications where issues of more than local importance arise."

I'd c/p the whole lot but it's on some annoying document which doesn't allow it...the gist was, I think we're relying on the local planners unforch.

Think Ms Bowen should follow the Planning Inspectors dealings with PCC more closely.

The 5000 sqm means PCC are obliged to refer to the Secretary of State. Whether the application is called in by Secretary of State for his decision at a Public Inquiry is not a given, but if we go back to the first page of stickied thread and consider the ill fated Derriford and Seaton AAP plan which the Secretary of State rejected a couple of months ago in more detail.

There is a District Shopping Centre planning application proposal for Derriford, which was heard at the same time as Seaton AAP.

The appeal is APP/N/1160/A/12/2169472/NFW (PCC ref 09/01899'OUT) and was submitted by Wharfside (Regeneration) Devon Ltd. for the North West Quadrant site at Derriford Road. Although it was initially a refusal of planning permission the appeal is now being dealt with by the National Planning Casework Unit (i.e. the Secretary of State) for a determination. The Inquiry was in August 2012.

The proposal was for a supermarket of 3220m2 and 1586 of smaller shop units plus bars, restaurants, offices and a hotel. It is remarkably similar in scale to the HHP proposals and it is most telling that the Secretary of State will now determine the application ratherv than the original Planning Inspector. He only does this when there is concern of the impact of the development.

The ## Planning Inspector Letter to PCC's Jonathon Bell ## about Seaton AAP is damning of the  assessment of the impact on traffic on the congested A386 (where does that go past) and viability of scale of scheme with regards to PCC overall Core Strategy (which covers City Centre) given financial climate

Going back to very first post on stickied thread the Planning Inspectorate also had concerns over the Central Park AAP they will want to check are addressed by planning application.