Last day to lodge planning objections with PCC.

mannameadbabe wrote:

All this giant foliage talk brings to mind Hitchcock and Genesis but maybe that's my age.....

The Return of the Giant Hogweed was first spotted by Lilywhite Lilith near the Fountain of Salmacis. While looking for The Lamia and Carpet Crawlers, it was seen spreading up the White Mountain by the Watcher of the Skies who mistakenly thought it was a Vision of Angels. After a period of Stagnation, Lilith's mate Rael decided to take The Knife to the Hogweed but got Entangled down on Willow Farm, fell in the pond causing Ripples and got caught in the Undertow.

Rael decided it was much safer to go Home By The Sea and listen to his Musical Box and then watch the Cinema Show when his Suppers Ready.

Moral of the story? Don't feck with the Giant Hogweed!

Mapperley, darling wrote:

green_genie wrote:

Peggy * wrote:

green_genie wrote:

green_genie wrote:

Nice balance from the Herald today

Quite an emotive ## eco letter ## highlighting the deficiencies of Akkeron ecology study.

Should have done research on this for Objections. If anyone has spare couple of hours today you could still play an absolute showstopper by googling new development ecology study and comparing to the one in planning.

Sure IJN will testify to seeing lizards (protected great crested newts?) and bats (which species?) within walking distance of HHP

Interesting that last page of ## HHP Reptile Survey  ## shows that it only covered area to behind BPE and Marquees.

Non-fans representative IJN notes on ## P@SOTI link ## to seeing lizard in Gilbert Lane not covered by the survey.

## Reptiles: Guidelines for Developers ## details protection afforded to slow worms, common lizards, adders and grass snakes.

Any swampys ou there able to spare a bit of time today to compose letter to PCC and Natural England or pass on details to FoCP?

I would have done, but no time today. Must be somebody though?

I hadn't previously read the ## Planning Application Ecological Survey ## as expected FoCP etc to be all over it.

Not sure if they have twigged (see what I did there) the implications of a no lighting policy to protect bats feeding along Gilberts Lane for the service yard and hotel with all its rooms facing that direction. The possible extended Plan B road around the hotel will also affect Gilberts Lane as well as encroaching on area identified in Plymouth Biodiversity Network.

Japanese knotweed has also been identified on site. If you look at disposal methods for this I would say September start date has been lost already

Letters dated after the 3rd July are cropping up (see what I did there) on the PCC website

 takes at least two years to eradicate this, it cant be burnt, dumped, hacked etc. the only method of removal is to inject each section(it grows like bamboo) twice during the active growth season and again during its dormant time.  if left it will break through concrete (really!) and spreads at an alarming rate.  I'd say this ,more than anything else in the findings, and the planning application, will effect the development, it may even stop it altogether.  hoorah for those victorian botanists!

There are letters dated well after 3rd July going on PCC website.

Anybody who hasn't got something in should ask them to consider the implications of the build on Gilbert Lane recommended by Akkeron Phase 1 report for protection from light pollution and damage to hedges. Are service yard and hotel rooms overlooking it going to employ lights out at dusk and dawn? The service road gets built right on top of Gilbert Lane northern bank.

Iggy wrote:

Richard Blight wrote:

mannameadbabe wrote:

All this giant foliage talk brings to mind Hitchcock and Genesis but maybe that's my age.....

The Return of the Giant Hogweed was first spotted by Lilywhite Lilith near the Fountain of Salmacis. While looking for The Lamia and Carpet Crawlers, it was seen spreading up the White Mountain by the Watcher of the Skies who mistakenly thought it was a Vision of Angels. After a period of Stagnation, Lilith's mate Rael decided to take The Knife to the Hogweed but got Entangled down on Willow Farm, fell in the pond causing Ripples and got caught in the Undertow.

Rael decided it was much safer to go Home By The Sea and listen to his Musical Box and then watch the Cinema Show when his Suppers Ready.

Moral of the story? Those microdots are strong.

I know what you like

Would appear PCC and Akkeron can't do long addition.

There is an exchange of emails between Peter Ford of PCC and Veronica Graham (FoCP) on the planning website where Peter states PCC do not believe the Planning Application needs referral. Interesting tactic given recent relations over Seaton AAP.

## PCC Planning Letter ##

If you don't agree use the emails in stickied thread above.

## Groundwater report ## is weird

Quote :

A Level 1 risk assessment undertaken as part of the ground investigation report revealed elevated
concentrations of naphthalene within the groundwater when compared to water quality targets.
Concentrations of naphthalene were identified to be present above the inland waters EQS of 2.4ug/l
in two out of two groundwater samples tested, at 9.9ug/l in BH03 and 210ug/l in BH01.  The recorded
presence of naphthalene in groundwater was considered suspicious given that no obvious source had
been identified on-site it was suggested that either the source of the naphthalene was off-site or the
recorded concentrations were as a result of a laboratory error.  It was recommended that
confirmatory re-testing of groundwater beneath the site is completed and the Environment Agency
(EA) is approached to obtain their thoughts on the matter.
In subsequent liaison with the EA, Marcus Salmon of the EA commented within a letter dated 7th
May
2013 to Barry Morgan of BDP (reference: 12/02260/ESR10) “given the elevated levels of napathalene
encountered in groundwater beneath the site, we would expect the developer to carry out further
work to constrain the extent and nature of the contamination and to assess whether remedial works
are required”.    

naphthalene is a nasty carcinogen hydrocarbon.
Christ knows how it got there

2013 to Barry Morgan of BDP (reference: 12/02260/ESR10) “given the elevated levels of napathalene
encountered in groundwater beneath the site, we would expect the developer to carry out further
work to constrain the extent and nature of the contamination and to assess whether remedial works
are required”.

Who makes sure that the developer does these things? I can imagine this bloody lot trying to get away with doing as little as they can to keep costs low....

mannameadbabe wrote:

2013 to Barry Morgan of BDP (reference: 12/02260/ESR10) “given the elevated levels of napathalene
encountered in groundwater beneath the site, we would expect the developer to carry out further
work to constrain the extent and nature of the contamination and to assess whether remedial works
are required”.    

Who makes sure that the developer does these things?  I can imagine this bloody lot trying to get away with doing as little as they can to keep costs low....

I'm sure one of the Forza Verde will help by rinsing the area with a bucket or two of water  

green_genie wrote:

## Groundwater report ## is weird

Quote :

A Level 1 risk assessment undertaken as part of the ground investigation report revealed elevated
concentrations of naphthalene within the groundwater when compared to water quality targets.
Concentrations of naphthalene were identified to be present above the inland waters EQS of 2.4ug/l
in two out of two groundwater samples tested, at 9.9ug/l in BH03 and 210ug/l in BH01.  The recorded
presence of naphthalene in groundwater was considered suspicious given that no obvious source had
been identified on-site it was suggested that either the source of the naphthalene was off-site or the
recorded concentrations were as a result of a laboratory error.  It was recommended that
confirmatory re-testing of groundwater beneath the site is completed and the Environment Agency
(EA) is approached to obtain their thoughts on the matter.
In subsequent liaison with the EA, Marcus Salmon of the EA commented within a letter dated 7th
May
2013 to Barry Morgan of BDP (reference: 12/02260/ESR10) “given the elevated levels of napathalene
encountered in groundwater beneath the site, we would expect the developer to carry out further
work to constrain the extent and nature of the contamination and to assess whether remedial works
are required”.    

naphthalene is a nasty carcinogen hydrocarbon.
Christ knows how it got there

It from porky piss that the spot he urinate every Saterdays

naphthalene from napoleon?

Puts hairs on your chest. Not such a plus point for women granted.

I may have missed it but I see the person behind the @PlymouthLover twitter account (the one which was very pro-brent's retail monstrocity, anti-FOCP) has revealed themselves - and its such a surprise-

Plymouth Lover ‏@Plymouth2013  6 Jul  
Where better than Plymouth? By the way, a Passport Stamper called this an 'anonymous account'- This is IJN3. :-)

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Chemical Ali wrote:

I may have missed it but I see the person behind the @PlymouthLover twitter account (the one which was very pro-brent's retail monstrocity, anti-FOCP) has revealed themselves - and its such a surprise-

Plymouth Lover ‏@Plymouth2013  6 Jul  
Where better than Plymouth? By the way, a Passport Stamper called this an 'anonymous account'- This is IJN3. :-)

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I had forgotten about that. The "Passport Stamper" is an attempt by Newell to intimidate me by revealing my occupation.

I registered a new account on Pasoti a few weeks ago to have a pop at them over HHP. I made one post from my home IP and it got deleted and my home IP blocked. They also blocked my work IP as I had used that to register the account originally. Its quite interesting really because I didn't think Newell was a mod so how did he find out I had posted and been banned.......and who told him where I worked? Surely a breach of the Date Protection Act.

Oh, and Piggy, I don't stamp passports. I am an immigration officer and I arrest illegal immigrants. You are going to have to try harder on the intimidation tactics.

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Chemical Ali wrote:

I may have missed it but I see the person behind the @PlymouthLover twitter account (the one which was very pro-brent's retail monstrocity, anti-FOCP) has revealed themselves - and its such a surprise-

Plymouth Lover ‏@Plymouth2013  6 Jul  
Where better than Plymouth? By the way, a Passport Stamper called this an 'anonymous account'- This is IJN3. :-)

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I had forgotten about that. The "Passport Stamper" is an attempt by Newell to intimidate me by revealing my occupation.

I registered a new account on Pasoti a few weeks ago to have a pop at them over HHP. I made one post from my home IP and it got deleted and my home IP blocked. They also blocked my work IP as I had used that to register the account originally. Its quite interesting really because I didn't think Newell was a mod so how did he find out I had posted and been banned.......and who told him where I worked? Surely a breach of the Date Protection Act.

Oh, and Piggy, I don't stamp passports. I am an immigration officer and I arrest illegal immigrants. You are going to have to try harder on the intimidation tactics.

Yet another breach of data protection and another hint of intimidation from the pig.

How Brent can associate himself with this piece of vermin is beyond me.

I think I'd rather be a passport stamper than a middle grade manager for a shitty logistics company.

And the guy who NEVER reads ATD posts this 20 minutes after my previous post-

IJN wrote:

Only being flippant Ade.

I have been amazed though, I started a supportive twitter account, 100% benign, called myself Plymouth Lover, and simply pointed out how good our city is, that we need this to help OUR city, etc and in come the usual fruit and nuts attacking it as if the HHP development was the Anti Christ.

Now, Richard and I have not really agreed much on this devlopement (we do about most other things I happen to add) but he and I recognise that we are both very much Argyle fans.

However, some of the vitriol shown to me on that account was amazing. Argyle fans, my arse!!

Chemical Ali wrote:

And the guy who NEVER reads ATD posts this 20 minutes after my previous post-

IJN wrote:

Only being flippant Ade.

I have been amazed though, I started a supportive twitter account, 100% benign, called myself Plymouth Lover, and simply pointed out how good our city is, that we need this to help OUR city, etc and in come the usual fruit and nuts attacking it as if the HHP development was the Anti Christ.

Now, Richard and I have not really agreed much on this devlopement (we do about most other things I happen to add) but he and I recognise that we are both very much Argyle fans.

However, some of the vitriol shown to me on that account was amazing. Argyle fans, my arse!!

Maybe because people have had enough of the games and manipulation by people of influence at the club.

Chemical Ali wrote:

And the guy who NEVER reads ATD posts this 20 minutes after my previous post-

IJN wrote:

Only being flippant Ade.

I have been amazed though, I started a supportive twitter account, 100% benign, called myself Plymouth Lover, and simply pointed out how good our city is, that we need this to help OUR city, etc and in come the usual fruit and nuts attacking it as if the HHP development was the Anti Christ.

Now, Richard and I have not really agreed much on this devlopement (we do about most other things I happen to add) but he and I recognise that we are both very much Argyle fans.

However, some of the vitriol shown to me on that account was amazing. Argyle fans, my arse!!

This quote and the Plymouth2013 account show exactly the type of person Newell is. Look at the tweets made by Plymouth2013 and a large number are attacking Friends of Central Park and anyone who opposes Brent's plans. It was not a 100% benign account (just look at the dig at me for example). Even when he tries to do something positive on the internet he cannot help himself and returns to his thuggish ways.

Yea Man wrote:

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Chemical Ali wrote:

I may have missed it but I see the person behind the @PlymouthLover twitter account (the one which was very pro-brent's retail monstrocity, anti-FOCP) has revealed themselves - and its such a surprise-

Plymouth Lover ‏@Plymouth2013  6 Jul  
Where better than Plymouth? By the way, a Passport Stamper called this an 'anonymous account'- This is IJN3. :-)

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I had forgotten about that. The "Passport Stamper" is an attempt by Newell to intimidate me by revealing my occupation.

I registered a new account on Pasoti a few weeks ago to have a pop at them over HHP. I made one post from my home IP and it got deleted and my home IP blocked. They also blocked my work IP as I had used that to register the account originally. Its quite interesting really because I didn't think Newell was a mod so how did he find out I had posted and been banned.......and who told him where I worked? Surely a breach of the Date Protection Act.

Oh, and Piggy, I don't stamp passports. I am an immigration officer and I arrest illegal immigrants. You are going to have to try harder on the intimidation tactics.

Yet another breach of data protection and another hint of intimidation from the pig.

How Brent can associate himself with this piece of vermin is beyond me.

I think I'd rather be a passport stamper than a middle grade manager for a shitty logistics company.

So he's not actually rockerfella then? LOL

He's a fat lorry driver basically. And according to the documentary on C4 75% of lorry drivers are doggers  

Beautifully ironic that the Plymouth2013 twitter account uses Tinside Pool as a backdrop.

Tinside Action Group of a dozen members managed to sway PCC Policy to stop development of the waterfront and leave it as planned in the 1920's.

green_genie wrote:

## Groundwater report ## is weird

Quote :

A Level 1 risk assessment undertaken as part of the ground investigation report revealed elevated
concentrations of naphthalene within the groundwater when compared to water quality targets.
Concentrations of naphthalene were identified to be present above the inland waters EQS of 2.4ug/l
in two out of two groundwater samples tested, at 9.9ug/l in BH03 and 210ug/l in BH01.  The recorded
presence of naphthalene in groundwater was considered suspicious given that no obvious source had
been identified on-site it was suggested that either the source of the naphthalene was off-site or the
recorded concentrations were as a result of a laboratory error.  It was recommended that
confirmatory re-testing of groundwater beneath the site is completed and the Environment Agency
(EA) is approached to obtain their thoughts on the matter.
In subsequent liaison with the EA, Marcus Salmon of the EA commented within a letter dated 7th
May
2013 to Barry Morgan of BDP (reference: 12/02260/ESR10) “given the elevated levels of napathalene
encountered in groundwater beneath the site, we would expect the developer to carry out further
work to constrain the extent and nature of the contamination and to assess whether remedial works
are required”.    

naphthalene is a nasty carcinogen hydrocarbon.
Christ knows how it got there

## Environment Agency Objection ##

EA aren't happy about contaminated land or flood risk assessment, which will need rectifying before PCC could look to approve plans.
The importance of this information might explain why their letter dated 25/06 has only just turned up on Planning website.

I can picture Jimmy B's bottom lip quivering like a feather in a force 9 gale after being informed of this !!

IsThatHHP? wrote:

I can picture Jimmy B's bottom lip quivering like a feather in a force 9 gale after being informed of this !!

        

      

Some of those Tweets are cringeworthy. It's like a wall of maniacal noise.

FCOP 1 Brent 0 ?