Akkeron response to WG

punchdrunk wrote:

GOB wrote:

125+1 wrote:

GOB wrote:

125, how do you think that ATD can be improved?

In my honest opinion I dont really know. The fact that this site I presume was started as an alternative to pasoti, but most members have either been banned or had personal issues with the powers on pasoti means that the majority will always see an excuse to turn anything positive into a negative for personal reasons.

You can see this by the number of threads either started or turned onto a pasoti bash rather than what the subject was actually about.

Well no, ATD was never intended as an alternative to pasoti although I realise that has happened. It was intended for about a dozen of us to talk about football and PAFC. The only reason for its success is simply down to the discontent of Plymouth Argyle Supporters on the Internet, no other reason.

Yes you are right regarding the rest of your post and in the future there will be a need for a PASOTI Mk 2. However, owing to the close ties of pasoti moderators/owner and the owner of the Club, the two are entwined and therefore come under the same fire. I'm not sure this can be avoided are even if it should, pasoti is after all extremely closely related to James Brent and he isn't exactly the flavor of the month for the majority of ATD users.

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Sums it up really

Indeed Punch, that thread says it all without saying anything.

Punchdrunk it was Tring who started with the "boring bloke" stuff and Rickler nit picks for the sake of it just as I seem to be accused of so don't give me this hypocracy crap. When you seem to want to remind me what my son says and somehow expect me to answer for him, a 36 year old, then that's just pathetic and a cop out if you think it proves something.

You miss my point entirely GOB. The ganging up is the manner it is done in not the stating of another view point. It decends into the old "you shouldn't be posting on here" and other name calling which others join in with. I don't expect anyone to necessarily agree with my point of view ever. I still have one though and in true debate fashion should be allowed to give it and argue my point without being invited to piss off elsewhere. Don't you see that if everyone just agrees then it isn't worth any effort to join in anything or have a forum at all. It's what pasoti would like so do you want this one to be exactly the same or do you want it to be open and allow for everyone to be a bit different. I don't disagree with everything as is suggested at all just with some things and that's because it's what I believe and for no other reason.

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

Punchdrunk it was Tring who started with the "boring bloke" stuff and Rickler nit picks for the sake of it just as I seem to be accused of so don't give me this hypocracy crap. When you seem to want to remind me what my son says and somehow expect me to answer for him, a 36 year old, then that's just pathetic and a cop out if you think it proves something.

You miss my point entirely GOB. The ganging up is the manner it is done in not the stating of another view point. It decends into the old "you shouldn't be posting on here" and other name calling which others join in with. I don't expect anyone to necessarily agree with my point of view ever. I still have one though and in true debate fashion should be allowed to give it and argue my point without being invited to piss off elsewhere. Don't you see that if everyone just agrees then it isn't worth any effort to join in anything or have a forum at all. It's what pasoti would like so do you want this one to be exactly the same or do you want it to be open and allow for everyone to be a bit different. I don't disagree with everything as is suggested at all just with some things and that's because it's what I believe and for no other reason.

Who said such things and where and when?

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

Punchdrunk it was Tring who started with the "boring bloke" stuff and Rickler nit picks for the sake of it just as I seem to be accused of so don't give me this hypocracy crap. When you seem to want to remind me what my son says and somehow expect me to answer for him, a 36 year old, then that's just pathetic and a cop out if you think it proves something.

You miss my point entirely GOB. The ganging up is the manner it is done in not the stating of another view point. It decends into the old "you shouldn't be posting on here" and other name calling which others join in with. I don't expect anyone to necessarily agree with my point of view ever. I still have one though and in true debate fashion should be allowed to give it and argue my point without being invited to piss off elsewhere. Don't you see that if everyone just agrees then it isn't worth any effort to join in anything or have a forum at all. It's what pasoti would like so do you want this one to be exactly the same or do you want it to be open and allow for everyone to be a bit different. I don't disagree with everything as is suggested at all just with some things and that's because it's what I believe and for no other reason.

I understand the frustration SG, I have been on the receiving end of flak from the users you mention and they have been on the end of mine. All's fair in love and war, just do what I do and tell them to fek off!

We all have our fall outs but if there's one thing I agree with newell on, it's that this is just a football forum, even though the knob doesn't really believe that.

GOB wrote:

I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to change the site SG, if that's what you think should happen, you just need to convince the majority.

I'm really not sure how you can be pacified SG other than to ask everyone to change their opinions so that you don't feel that everyone is ganging up on you.

You make the same mistake as 125 though SG, the big difference between ATD and pasoti is that you won't get a ban for voicing your opinion on ATD, where as pasoti.....

GOB yes that is a difference but is it the only one?.

If im right I believe you are a founding member and should be proud of that especially seeing the site grow.but I think you can see my point that the majority have either been banned or have a personal issue with the usual suspects on pasoti so it gets paticularly easy to become anti rather than seeing the pro's and cons which like I said puts most threads off topic and they just become anti pasoti.


I often read a new thread and wonder how long will it be before pasoti or newell is mentioned and thats discredits this site.

I did find this funny. Newell is Brent and Nikkkkkkkk's bitch officially.

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125+1 wrote:

GOB wrote:

I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to change the site SG, if that's what you think should happen, you just need to convince the majority.

I'm really not sure how you can be pacified SG other than to ask everyone to change their opinions so that you don't feel that everyone is ganging up on you.

You make the same mistake as 125 though SG, the big difference between ATD and pasoti is that you won't get a ban for voicing your opinion on ATD, where as pasoti.....

GOB yes that is a difference but is it the only one?.

If im right I believe you are a founding member and should be proud of that especially seeing the site grow.but I think you can see my point that the majority have either been banned or have a personal issue with the usual suspects on pasoti so it gets paticularly easy to become anti rather than seeing the pro's and cons which like I said puts most threads off topic and they just become anti pasoti.


I often read a new thread and wonder how long will it be before pasoti or newell is mentioned and thats discredits this site.

But Pasoti and Newell are part of the problem !! Thats the point
Why is debating that "discrediting the point" as you put it? In many peoples opinions they are part of the problem ...why are we wrong for pointing that out?

punchdrunk wrote:

Im going to bring you back to your post about Tringy and Rickler, you clearly put the boot in to both of them for this that and the other.
Have you ever paused to look at you own manner Sensible? once again the Hypocrisy is astounding.

Well said Punchy...

One of the first things Sensible did when he joined this site was have a good bitch about the behavior of many posters and their insulting and obnoxious behavour. Tringy and I were named as being good examples.

Fair enough...

Except, he hadn't even got to the end of the post before he himself had committed all the acts he was complaining about.

A hypocrite of the highest order.

And arrogant... His act of refusing to believe there were other people interested in buying Argyle was the icing on the cake. Despite Damon assuring sensi that he knew someone personally and me providing evidence in that Guilfoyle stated as much in his final report -

Sensible still refuses to believe it. His reasoning... That 'everyone else' said the Guilfoyle is a liar and not to be trusted and so therefore sensi is going to apply that yardstick to his own case and dismiss Guilfoyle as a reliable witness.

So basically you have sensi believing the Guilfoyle - an officer of the court - lied in an official government document.

He doesn't believe that of course... But he is so feckin supercilious he can't admit he made a mistake even when it is proven to him.

The man is a waste of time.

And his posts... Tringy was right. He is boring!



Reading Sensible's prattle is like listening to a dullard think out aloud.

125+1 wrote:

GOB wrote:

I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to change the site SG, if that's what you think should happen, you just need to convince the majority.

I'm really not sure how you can be pacified SG other than to ask everyone to change their opinions so that you don't feel that everyone is ganging up on you.

You make the same mistake as 125 though SG, the big difference between ATD and pasoti is that you won't get a ban for voicing your opinion on ATD, where as pasoti.....

GOB yes that is a difference but is it the only one?.

If im right I believe you are a founding member and should be proud of that especially seeing the site grow.but I think you can see my point that the majority have either been banned or have a personal issue with the usual suspects on pasoti so it gets paticularly easy to become anti rather than seeing the pro's and cons which like I said puts most threads off topic and they just become anti pasoti.


I often read a new thread and wonder how long will it be before pasoti or newell is mentioned and thats discredits this site.

Yes I was a founder member of ATD 125, but I am not proud of ATD has such, I am proud that we seem to be achieving an as "free as possible" expression and I have a bit of a thing about that.

Now I know what you and SG will say, it's not free expression because you feel that you are shouted down and abused and to be honest I kind of agree, but it's the nearest we can get to free expression...I think?

I know the mods struggle with finding what is an impossible balance but hopefully as mods change so will the balance and so free expression will bump along. It won't be perfect because it's not possible to be perfect, we are all human after all, but I know of no other way to improve it other than to voice an opinion and lobby your opinion to convince others.

And I do think Punch has a valid point, in my opinion the problems with the Club are being created partly by Newell and his pasoti, they are bound to be the main focal point because the Club is the main focal point of ATD. To deny the debate of Newell and pasoti is to deny the debate regarding the Club.

punchdrunk wrote:

125+1 wrote:

GOB wrote:

I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to change the site SG, if that's what you think should happen, you just need to convince the majority.

I'm really not sure how you can be pacified SG other than to ask everyone to change their opinions so that you don't feel that everyone is ganging up on you.

You make the same mistake as 125 though SG, the big difference between ATD and pasoti is that you won't get a ban for voicing your opinion on ATD, where as pasoti.....

GOB yes that is a difference but is it the only one?.

If im right I believe you are a founding member and should be proud of that especially seeing the site grow.but I think you can see my point that the majority have either been banned or have a personal issue with the usual suspects on pasoti so it gets paticularly easy to become anti rather than seeing the pro's and cons which like I said puts most threads off topic and they just become anti pasoti.


I often read a new thread and wonder how long will it be before pasoti or newell is mentioned and thats discredits this site.

But Pasoti and Newell are part of the problem !! Thats the point
Why is debating that "discrediting the point" as you put it? In many peoples opinions they are part of the problem ...why are we wrong for pointing that out?

I actually said discrediting this site. I also understand that most people on here believe he/they are part of the problem but are you giving him a little too much credit! .

Despite recently being accused of having multiple accounts, being postey, being told I shouldn't post on here, accused of letting my mask slip whatever that means like I said im probably the most neutral person here
I do not personally know anyone here or pasotidespite being accused otherwise. I have no agenda just my own opinion, like I said if I like something I will say it, if I don't I will also say it, that's just my opinion. i

The plus side to this GOB and PUNCH, we are having a debate, no insults, no mocking just a debate and thats how it should be.

One of the things I dislike about this site is that too often it isn't possible to be subtle. (For example, Graham Clark and John Lloyd would have a tough time on here if they posted more frequently). Some posters too often resort to abuse of anyone who expresses a contrary view. Too often it's either "you're for me or against me". Too often it's black or white. Life isn't like that. One of the things I used to get pissed off was the pack mentality on pasoti &, indeed, posted that comment often on there. There are occasions that happens on here.

You have to be brave to go against the flow on here. Or you have to be a contrarian - as 125+1 has acknowledged he is at times and sensible clearly is though he maybe isn't aware of it or maybe willing to acknowledge in public that he is.

Tring & others may be right but that's no justification for being so repetitively boring and so aggressively dismissive of other views. Or is that a point that belongs in a Debating Society?

One of the things I like about this site is that this sort of discussion can be had openly. That is good. It's OK to disagree. Life isn't always like that but it should be.

If we were all aware of how others perceived us I wonder if we would all act the same?

If we had a thread that enabled us to tell each other exactly what we thought of one another if WW3 or peace would break out?

That's one of the problems with the facelessness of the internet.

It is isn't it.

Maybe ATD should be evolved into an Internet dating site

GOB wrote:

It is isn't it.

Maybe ATD should be evolved into an Internet dating site

If that's a proposal I shall move this thread to the site section for discussion. Who do you fancy?

Knecht wrote:

Tring & others may be right but that's no justification for being so repetitively boring and so aggressively dismissive of other views.
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It is, when you're right Can you imagine how boring it must be for me, having to say the same or similar things over and over again for years ?

At least the message at last, seems to be getting through.

' Newell and Pasoti mods ARE thick, self promoting control freaks. The football club IS a sleeping giant[ well, at least it has the potential to emulate the likes of Swansea, Reaing, Cardiff, Norwich etc if given the right conditions, like a decent ground and the ability to expand]............. and brent IS an asset strpper who cares little for the club.'

knecht wrote:

Tring & others may be right but that's no justification for being so repetitively boring and so aggressively dismissive of other views.

If a person is right in that the contrary argument is so obviously inadequate and completely flawed then he should be absolutely dismissive of those contrary views.

BRENT OUT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stayed out of this one so far but here is my twopennysworth.

SensibleGreen - I think you should rename yourself SensitiveGreen. I am one of many who came to this site with an opposing view. Not of Brent but of many other things ARgyle related. I too was shouted down by a number of posters but instead of bitching about it I stood my ground, offered reasonable debate backed with a few relevant facts and the majority have accepted me - we agree on things and disagree with others but, hopefully, there is a mutual respect for each other's position.

We all come onto ATD knowing its reputation, knowing the overall standpoint of the majority of the posters and knowing that if we want to put an alternate view we are going to have a hard time. The very being of ATD is the alternate view so you have to expect it. Will SS68 or Punchie or even Tring ever agree with me regarding the GTs and fanfests? not in a million years but they will accept that there is an alternate view.

Harden up, fight your corner and be thankful that there is a refuge for all points of view.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Stayed out of this one so far but here is my twopennysworth.

SensibleGreen - I think you should rename yourself SensitiveGreen. I am one of many who came to this site with an opposing view. Not of Brent but of many other things ARgyle related. I too was shouted down by a number of posters but instead of bitching about it I stood my ground, offered reasonable debate backed with a few relevant facts and the majority have accepted me - we agree on things and disagree with others but, hopefully, there is a mutual respect for each other's position.

We all come onto ATD knowing its reputation, knowing the overall standpoint of the majority of the posters and knowing that if we want to put an alternate view we are going to have a hard time. The very being of ATD is the alternate view so you have to expect it. Will SS68 or Punchie or even Tring ever agree with me regarding the GTs and fanfests? not in a million years but they will accept that there is an alternate view.

Harden up, fight your corner and be thankful that there is a refuge for all points of view.

Indeed Damon and the fact that your line has hardened against what brent and his pasoti controllers are doing with the club, has helped you settle in

I think the GT's /fanfest thing is more because it is seem as symptomatic of the wider problem and even supports the bucket rattling superfan culture that brent is clearly keen to encourage.

Nice touch advertising high interest loans in the family area.

Pokesdown wrote:

Nice touch advertising high interest loans in the family area.

Indeed. Next thing, old Porkie will be suggesting to the Avivas that they take out loans to cover the ever escalating cost of being a real fan.

Pokesdown wrote:

Nice touch advertising high interest loans in the family area.

"What's FIL dad"?

"It's what happens when you get older if you don't do well at school"

"I thought that was the bogeyman dad"

"Well err yeah, lets just watch the game while we can son"

knecht wrote:

One of the things I dislike about this site is that too often it isn't possible to be subtle. (For example, Graham Clark and John Lloyd would have a tough time on here if they posted more frequently). Some posters too often resort to abuse of anyone who expresses a contrary view. Too often it's either "you're for me or against me". Too often it's black or white. Life isn't like that. One of the things I used to get pissed off was the pack mentality on pasoti &, indeed, posted that comment often on there. There are occasions that happens on here.

You have to be brave to go against the flow on here. Or you have to be a contrarian - as 125+1 has acknowledged he is at times and sensible clearly is though he maybe isn't aware of it or maybe willing to acknowledge in public that he is.

Tring & others may be right but that's no justification for being so repetitively boring and so aggressively dismissive of other views. Or is that a point that belongs in a Debating Society?

One of the things I like about this site is that this sort of discussion can be had openly. That is good. It's OK to disagree. Life isn't always like that but it should be.

Just read the last 3 pages this morning and was composing a post when this beauty turned up, which I mostly agree with. Keep going Sensi, I enjoy reading your posts and for the most part (not all) think you are there and there abouts. It would help with some of those that argue against you, to actually READ what you wrote as opposed to responding to what they think you meant due to their preconceived pigeonholing of you as pro Brent, when clearly you are neither (imho) pro or anti Brent but just pro (and indeed anti) some of his actions.

The other thing I would say is that everyone involved in posting managed quite gracefully to moderate themselves back into a position of not declaring a fatwah on each other. Nice one.