Akkeron response to WG

When you hear such crap from Chris Webb about abuse and insults being aimed at James Brent it makes you wonder what was actually contained in letters and e-mails sent to Guilfoyle and his company back in the day.

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I seem to recall a well-known fat Argyle forum owner encouraging fans to write and e-mail P & A to get their point across.

Setting the Dogs of War on him I believe was the phrase used by the extremely vocal Webb and Newell back then so you would think both of them could put up with their friend James Brent being called alsorts like "Property Developer" and "More interested in making money than the club"

Didn't he also arrange to spam Guilfoyle's office with spam, fax's, phone calls and emails? I expect Brent is glad to have him onside, the thought of something similar happening to one of Akkeron's hotels must have been terrifying.

GOB wrote:

Didn't he also arrange to spam Guilfoyle's office with spam, fax's, phone calls and emails? I expect Brent is glad to have him onside, the thought of something similar happening to one of Akkeron's hotels must have been terrifying.

Yeah sort of makes a mockery of Webb's tirade really

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Yes Hairy. I said on a post over there that all the pages of anger and in-fighting would disappear if JB came out and said that he could only deliver a 4,800 stand now (with provision for expansion) because he's putting £2million into the playing budget next season.

I disagree with that; playing budgets are short term but this is a legacy investment in our future - 25 years from now, the players we have now and the potential signings will be long retired (and on murals). The grandstand will still be there. The get it done brigade wouldn't, as home owners, pay for an extension to their houses if it wasn't rigt for them and didn't put value on their homes. The Brent statement that an additional seat will cost under £2000 each is mute as a successful club would easily generate the income to pay that back within ten years.

The fact that the Brent statement was focussed upon the short term should ring voluminous bells to any one with even 1/10th of a brain. Stands are long term.

Newell, you're a feckin idiot pinning your hopes on this gift horse from Troy.

I understand and agree Hairy but the step to the future starts this season. Build a small stand (again I say with adequate provision for (expansion) but steps must be taken to ensure success on the pitch and a Luggy style rise through the Leagues. That is what will bring fans back, not a nice room to have prawn sandwiches but to make it happen we need an increase in playing budget, not a decrease.

I still don't agree Damon. If Brent had £2m to invest in the club (that's highly unlikely), it'd be better spent on the infrastructure. We've seen millions wasted at the club over recent years on players who've come here and been a complete failure.

McNamee, Walton, Mpenza, BWP (for a season), Kenny Cooper, McClean... there's probably another 15 players like those.

How much did those 6 cost us? Would you swap these for a decent, World class grandstand?

Like I've said, this should be a legacy investment.

Greenjock wrote:

When you hear such crap from Chris Webb about abuse and insults being aimed at James Brent it makes you wonder what was actually contained in letters and e-mails sent to Guilfoyle and his company back in the day.

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I seem to recall a well-known fat Argyle forum owner encouraging fans to write and e-mail P & A to get their point across.

Setting the Dogs of War on him I believe was the phrase used by the extremely vocal Webb and Newell back then so you would think both of them could put up with their friend James Brent being called alsorts like "Property Developer" and "More interested in making money than the club"

I still will say Chris Webb's conduct at times during the admin era was less than deplorable and almost costly and now the horse he backed turns out to be a 3 legged donkey who is only interested in building a hotel complex and has NO INTEREST in the club. I has to use capitals there as some still think he has got some lol

hairy j wrote:

I still don't agree Damon. If Brent had £2m to invest in the club (that's highly unlikely), it'd be better spent on the infrastructure. We've seen millions wasted at the club over recent years on players who've come here and been a complete failure.

McNamee, Walton, Mpenza, BWP (for a season), Kenny Cooper, McClean... there's probably another 15 players like those.

How much did those 6 cost us? Would you swap these for a decent, World class grandstand?

Like I've said, this should be a legacy investment.

And for every one of those I can give you a Larrieu, Friio, Norris, Buzsaky, Halmosi, SEB, Nalis. Scouting and buying players is never going to give you a 100 success rate. I agree with most that right now we do not need a World Class Grandstand. What we do need is something that can become a world class grandstand in time and a football team that can win games. We have a manager who can do it - he needs to be backed.

The main stand should be something to be proud of not a toytown non league stand, if brent can't or wont build something worthy of the name don't bother i would rather it stayed as it is.

A decent Stand will inspire people to come and support the club as it is a true statement of future ambition. Build it small and i believe that the support will stagnate or melt away and rightly so...why bother supporting a team that can never punch any higher then L1, whats the point?
Having the ability to expand is an reasonable idea, however when the success brings in the pennies the cash will be needed to invest in the squad...not building extra seats.
Build it big,build it now and the support will come.

Correct punchy do it right or don't do it at all

It's obvious...................... innit ?

punchdrunk wrote:

A decent Stand will inspire people to come and support the club as it is a true statement of future ambition. Build it small and i believe that the support will stagnate or melt away and rightly so...why bother supporting a team that can never punch any higher then L1, whats the point?
Having the ability to expand is an reasonable idea, however when the success brings in the pennies the cash will be needed to invest in the squad...not building extra seats.
Build it big,build it now and the support will come.

That's one half of the problem though Punch, build it average and have ambition and all of a sudden the likes of Newell, Webb and Jones can't keep up, they need it small to be able to retain control or they risk losing their selfish and egotistic control.

I would be happy with a 5,000 seat stand now with the ability to turn it into a 10,000 seat stand. I would be happy for the corners to be left free of schools, offices etc so they too could be built at a later stage. With a possibility of an extra 5,000 to be added to the Grandstand and 2,500 in each corner we could look at a potential 27,500 capacity (and if the horseshow extension does work then we would have 30,000).

I would be happy for nothing to happen this season so long as plans were redrawn for the above to happen. I would be happiest if the football club were to be put at the core of Chairman's thinking rather than a pain in the arse afterthought.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

I would be happy with a 5,000 seat stand now with the ability to turn it into a 10,000 seat stand. I would be happy for the corners to be left free of schools, offices etc so they too could be built at a later stage. With a possibility of an extra 5,000 to be added to the Grandstand and 2,500 in each corner we could look at a potential 27,500 capacity (and if the horseshow extension does work then we would have 30,000).

I would be happy for nothing to happen this season so long as plans were redrawn for the above to happen. I would be happiest if the football club were to be put at the core of Chairman's thinking rather than a pain in the arse afterthought.

Yup, and so say most of us.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

I would be happy with a 5,000 seat stand now with the ability to turn it into a 10,000 seat stand. I would be happy for the corners to be left free of schools, offices etc so they too could be built at a later stage. With a possibility of an extra 5,000 to be added to the Grandstand and 2,500 in each corner we could look at a potential 27,500 capacity (and if the horseshow extension does work then we would have 30,000).

I would be happy for nothing to happen this season so long as plans were redrawn for the above to happen. I would be happiest if the football club were to be put at the core of Chairman's thinking rather than a pain in the arse afterthought.

This.

But I still think that the ability to improve self-sustaining income streams is an equally important issue. When Mr Brent steps down we could be left with a mini-stand, no ability to expand and limited income generation. That needs sorting at THIS stage.

I think Damon knows Brent won't budge. He's been there, done it, got abused by Newell for being a Jew, got the t-shirt. Brent won't budge. It has a tabloid ring to it. Brent won't budge. Brent won't budge but we got some fudge. Possible Forze Janner song there.

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I am watching the L1 play-off today between Brentford and Yeovil, even Brentford are showing ambition by plans to build a new 20,000 capacity stadium.

punchdrunk wrote:

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I am watching the L1 play-off today between Brentford and Yeovil, even Brentford are showing ambition by plans to build a new 20,000 capacity stadium.

Punchie confirmed for plastic. Brentford fan!

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If only Simon Cowell pumped iron instead of his bank account.

I don't want a mini-stand. I want a proper one.

knecht wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

I would be happy with a 5,000 seat stand now with the ability to turn it into a 10,000 seat stand. I would be happy for the corners to be left free of schools, offices etc so they too could be built at a later stage. With a possibility of an extra 5,000 to be added to the Grandstand and 2,500 in each corner we could look at a potential 27,500 capacity (and if the horseshow extension does work then we would have 30,000).

I would be happy for nothing to happen this season so long as plans were redrawn for the above to happen. I would be happiest if the football club were to be put at the core of Chairman's thinking rather than a pain in the arse afterthought.

This.

But I still think that the ability to improve self-sustaining income streams is an equally important issue. When Mr Brent steps down we could be left with a mini-stand, no ability to expand and limited income generation. That needs sorting at THIS stage.

I don't think for a second Brent will budge on the stadium build or the revenue streams diverted away from the football club. It is why this process is intensifying. It is why we have to ensure the non Argyle Plymothians, and there are far more of them than us, are fully aware of what is planned for Central Park. Milton Keynes crammed on a car park is not the way forward.

Well at some stage we have to have public protests and a media campaign. We will see then if Plymouthians will enter into the fray. We might be pleasantly surprised how many object to these half baked and poorly funded proposals. There will be other strong interests in the city objecting for all sorts of reasons that affect them. Planning is littered with thousands of shelved projects that were supposedly a dead cert due to the right public pressure at the right time.

Concentrate on TEAM and results first.
Then bring in plans to rebuild Grandstand!

exactly