Akkeron response to WG

You've just gone on the ignore list as well.

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

Iggy you do know that if you become a mod you have to read every post on every thread and you are expected to read all the threads from day 1 of ADT so you know about what has gone on.

Good grief Iggy........you'll have to read well over 6000 posts of Tringreen......surely too much to bear for anyone person to survive.

Reading sensible's will be easier on you Iggy.....he isn't so boring.

As a keyholder I feel obliged to read every post. Which is one reason why I am standing down, after 2 years enough is enough.

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Hang on a cotton pickin minute Iggy, what you are saying is that this site is up for a debate but it seems if you aren't totally on stream with everything then you are boring and don't contribute? So if you agree you can comment and if you don't then you can't. What the feck is debate in that may I ask.

There you go again inviting me to post elsewhere. I'm not after anything except to put my own point of view on a topic and what is said by others. To say the wool is over my eyes is quite insulting. I haven't once said Brent is great or even that I'm grateful to him. I have doubts about some of the things he does and regrets at some of the things he doesn't do. The whole point is however that simply not every single thing done or said is bad just because it is him who said it. Whatever is uttered or suggested is instantly jumped on as if he just shit in your curry. That just isn't logical to me and I prefer to look at each thing individually. Something wrong with that? It's just as boring posting the same words against Brent continually for everything because even he can't be wrong all of the time. Laws of averages says that if nothing else.

Just because no debate is allowed in opposition to a mainstream site opinion elsewhere does that make this site only open to the against section. If it does and people can't accept that somebody might have a different view then it makes the people here as bad. I was at least encouraged to see an appology from GOB to ZYPH which was merrited in this case and he was big enough to issue one.

If I think I am wrong then I will say so and apologise SG, if I think I am right however I will dig in until persuaded otherwise.

I don't agree with you SG, I'm not jumping on you, I simply don't agree with you and I consider that no matter what evidence is put in front of you, no matter what you are told and no matter what you are shown, you would agree with very few on this site because you seem to dislike this site and its users, well at least that's my perception of you from the many times you have criticised ATD, the voting in of moderators and its users and hence why your opinions are dismissed.

I don't see anyone asking you to leave, nobody has any right to, but I think that many of us wonder why you are here, you just seem very unhappy with the users and ATD in general.

Wow, someone said something similer to me the other day.

I admit sometimes I do post for affect, just to see how quickly people jump on me as im not with the in crowd. BUT I do actually like this site, I just dislike some members as many dislike me. But besides that it does seem what so many accuse the pasoti clan of doing if someone disagrees with their line ofthought tthe exact things happen on this site. Hence making a debate rather pointless if someone with a different opinion gets ganged up on.

But telling someone they shouldn't bother posting due to difference of opinion makes the title of the site rather misleading.

Just my personal views.

125+1 wrote:

Wow, someone said something similer to me the other day.

I admit sometimes I do post for affect, just to see how quickly people jump on me as im not with the in crowd. BUT I do actually like this site, I just dislike some members as many dislike me. But besides that it does seem what so many accuse the pasoti clan of doing if someone disagrees with their line ofthought tthe exact things happen on this site. Hence making a debate rather pointless if someone with a different opinion gets ganged up on.

But telling someone they shouldn't bother posting due to difference of opinion makes the title of the site rather misleading.

Just my personal views.

But you miss out one very huge difference 125, you won't get a ban on this site for having a difference of opinion, and that's quite a significant difference. Ask Hairy,

That just simply is not true GOB. There are some posters on here I don't much like but I'm sure that's the case for others as well. No secret I'm not kean on Tring and the reason for that is his manners at thinking he can dismiss others with some clever (he thinks) put down which some others pick up on may I add and join in. I don't like Rickler much either which again isn't much of a secret. I think he is like a spoilt child and very condecending in attitude. But that's my own opinion and I don't expect everyone else to agree with it.

You sum up the thing very well in one statement. "If I think I'm right I will dig my heals in". Well, that isn't just the right of you is it. I would guess most people would do the same so why should I not do the same. I don't disagree with everything on here at all. In the same way I don't think everything at Argyle is necessarily wrong either. I do disagree with people posting as if they are speaking for me with the "the majority" comments when they have no idea at all if it is a majority or not. You can only speak for those who have expressed an opinion which in forum numbers is a small percentage. You also tell me that when I'm presented with facts I can't see it. What facts are these very often? Most internet facts are exactly that with no basis in fact at all. Just because people state it as an opinion it doesn't make it true. An example of that is the cost of extra seats. You "believe" the WG and not Brent but you don't know which one is nearer the truth but accept it as fact because you want to. I choose not to believe either because I just don't know. Somebody said on another thread regarding Brent that if he says something often enough then the masses are expected to believe it. To be fair there isn't much difference in that and internet facts. I've always found that if you want to persuade somebody to your point of view then calling them names isn't going to do it but sound argument just might.

It's only what I perceive SG and that's probably because you generalise a lot of things.

Genuine question, how do you think ATD could be improved?

I think some people will agree to disagree about anything and everything, even if they do know the facts are stacked against them ,a bit like arguing the colour black is in fact white.
And fair play if they do cos its their right at the end of the day however you are right about some Gob who will have an agenda not against the issues but against a website in general, ie this one.
What kind of person can seriously can claim similarity's between ATD and Pasoti?
Does Pasoti have democratic elections?
Why do threads disappear on Pasoti ?
I could go on all night about the discrepancies about that website, but most know the score all ready.

punchdrunk wrote:

I think some people will agree to disagree about anything and everything, even if they do know the facts are stacked against them ,a bit like arguing the colour black is in fact white.
And fair play if they do cos its their right at the end of the day however you are right about some Gob who will have an agenda not against the issues but against a website in general, ie this one.
What kind of person can seriously can claim similarity's between ATD and Pasoti?
Does Pasoti have democratic elections?
Why do threads disappear on Pasoti ?
I could go on all night about the discrepancies about that website, but most know the score all ready.

And that's the bit that I simply fail to understand Punch and it's also the bit that one or two, and it really is just one or two, have yet to provide a reason for other than the majority disagreeing with them.

punchdrunk wrote:

I think some people will agree to disagree about anything and everything, even if they do know the facts are stacked against them ,a bit like arguing the colour black is in fact white.
And fair play if they do cos its their right at the end of the day however you are right about some Gob who will have an agenda not against the issues but against a website in general, ie this one.
What kind of person can seriously can claim similarity's between ATD and Pasoti?
Does Pasoti have democratic elections?
Why do threads disappear on Pasoti ?
I could go on all night about the discrepancies about that website, but most know the score all ready.

The kind of person that is probably the most neutral person on here when it comes to our current owner. Somethings I like some things I dislike, but if I dare post anything in support of Brent then I and a few others get jumped upon by the usual suspects on this site much the same as posting anything negative against Brent on pasoti gets jumped upon by the usual suspects on there. And that is an factual example.

Pasoti is and always will be over moderated and that will never change when the owners or mods dont want to upset anyone who is in ownership of the club for their own personal gains. But sometimes this site is under moderated but again as similar with pasoti when its mates voting in mates hou will lose the democratic side of the site and it becomes exactly the site it wasn't supposed to be.

125, how do you think that ATD can be improved?

I don't speak for hairyj punchdrunk he is quite capable of doing that himself. In fact I don't speak for anyone else just me. I keep saying it's my opinion because that is all anything is.

I'm not trying to change this site at all GOB. However you cannot tell me that ganging up doesn't happen on here because it does. You cannot tell me that to give an opposing view isn't frowned upon because it clearly is. It is the intention for pasoti to try to be pro Brent and his plans and it is the intention for this one to be anti. You don't have to be a genius to work that one out. Sometimes it is a bit like the "go support united" comment when people are invited to post elsewhere. Nobody is banned and posts aren't deleted which is where the sites clearly differ. However the wish to stiffle alternative debate is most certainly there. Look at the attack on ZYPH as the example.

Punchdrunk talks about some people arguing black is white for the sake of the argument rather than the subject. Maybe though the person is arguing something because that is what they believe and to suggest it is just for arguing sake is patronising. What that says is I am right and anyone else's opinion is just bollocks. It's either that or the person arguing alternatively must be a troll. Why can't they just be somebody joining in a topic and giving their own point of view? What is the point in a forum if it isn't for discussion. There might as well be one poster who states something and everyone else just reads it and says I agree.

GOB wrote:

125, how do you think that ATD can be improved?

In my honest opinion I dont really know. The fact that this site I presume was started as an alternative to pasoti, but most members have either been banned or had personal issues with the powers on pasoti means that the majority will always see an excuse to turn anything positive into a negative for personal reasons.

You can see this by the number of threads either started or turned onto a pasoti bash rather than what the subject was actually about.

Im going to bring you back to your post about Tringy and Rickler, you clearly put the boot in to both of them for this that and the other.
Have you ever paused to look at you own manner Sensible? once again the Hypocrisy is astounding.

125+1 wrote:

GOB wrote:

125, how do you think that ATD can be improved?

In my honest opinion I dont really know. The fact that this site I presume was started as an alternative to pasoti, but most members have either been banned or had personal issues with the powers on pasoti means that the majority will always see an excuse to turn anything positive into a negative for personal reasons.

You can see this by the number of threads either started or turned onto a pasoti bash rather than what the subject was actually about.

^^^^

Hypocrisy again..this time in buckets

I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to change the site SG, if that's what you think should happen, you just need to convince the majority.

I'm really not sure how you can be pacified SG other than to ask everyone to change their opinions so that you don't feel that everyone is ganging up on you.

You make the same mistake as 125 though SG, the big difference between ATD and pasoti is that you won't get a ban for voicing your opinion on ATD, where as pasoti.....

125+1 wrote:

GOB wrote:

125, how do you think that ATD can be improved?

In my honest opinion I dont really know. The fact that this site I presume was started as an alternative to pasoti, but most members have either been banned or had personal issues with the powers on pasoti means that the majority will always see an excuse to turn anything positive into a negative for personal reasons.

You can see this by the number of threads either started or turned onto a pasoti bash rather than what the subject was actually about.

Well no, ATD was never intended as an alternative to pasoti although I realise that has happened. It was intended for about a dozen of us to talk about football and PAFC. The only reason for its success is simply down to the discontent of Plymouth Argyle Supporters on the Internet, no other reason.

Yes you are right regarding the rest of your post and in the future there will be a need for a PASOTI Mk 2. However, owing to the close ties of pasoti moderators/owner and the owner of the Club, the two are entwined and therefore come under the same fire. I'm not sure this can be avoided are even if it should, pasoti is after all extremely closely related to James Brent and he isn't exactly the flavor of the month for the majority of ATD users.

punchdrunk wrote:

125+1 wrote:

GOB wrote:

125, how do you think that ATD can be improved?

In my honest opinion I dont really know. The fact that this site I presume was started as an alternative to pasoti, but most members have either been banned or had personal issues with the powers on pasoti means that the majority will always see an excuse to turn anything positive into a negative for personal reasons.

You can see this by the number of threads either started or turned onto a pasoti bash rather than what the subject was actually about.

^^^^

Hypocrisy again..this time in buckets

Hardly hypocrisy when it's stating facts.

GOB wrote:

125+1 wrote:

GOB wrote:

125, how do you think that ATD can be improved?

In my honest opinion I dont really know. The fact that this site I presume was started as an alternative to pasoti, but most members have either been banned or had personal issues with the powers on pasoti means that the majority will always see an excuse to turn anything positive into a negative for personal reasons.

You can see this by the number of threads either started or turned onto a pasoti bash rather than what the subject was actually about.

Well no, ATD was never intended as an alternative to pasoti although I realise that has happened. It was intended for about a dozen of us to talk about football and PAFC. The only reason for its success is simply down to the discontent of Plymouth Argyle Supporters on the Internet, no other reason.

Yes you are right regarding the rest of your post and in the future there will be a need for a PASOTI Mk 2. However, owing to the close ties of pasoti moderators/owner and the owner of the Club, the two are entwined and therefore come under the same fire. I'm not sure this can be avoided are even if it should, pasoti is after all extremely closely related to James Brent and he isn't exactly the flavor of the month for the majority of ATD users.

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Sums it up really