Today's Chip Paper

Womble wrote:

Greenman needs to step forward. If not we need to look into his IP address. I see no reason at all why the mods here cant pass his IP address over to PASOTI. The time for childish fueding has stopped; IJN (who you all have a grudge against) is not a mod there.

Time for everyone to either grow up and sort it out, or leave it alone.

you are Chris Webb and I claim my £5

Yea Man wrote:

Mike Searle wrote:

Having thought about it a bit more I would actually trust Knecht/Frank to liase with Mark Pedlar to determine whether the IP addresses used by the ATD Greenman account do actually match any of the IP addresses used by anybody on Pasoti.

We can be fairly sure that at least one of the ATD Greenman posters must have posted on Pasoti.

This can only really be done if Mark Pedlar is willing to reveal to Knecht/Frank the name of any Pasoti account(s) that match the ATD Greenman IPs.

It's possible that ATD Greenman only used proxy servers on both sites of course.

Greenman has used mobile phones, proxy/hotspot and an ISP from a virgin media address in Devon.

Well the Virgin Media IP might tally on Pasoti. Frankly, in this instance, I don't think there's an ethical conflict in trying to identify the sender of thretening PMs.

I've not seen the threatening PMs sent to Jock but I have seen the threatening emails sent to Jock by Newell's son.

hairy j wrote:

If it's achieved anything, it's proven than IJN is elbow deep in all of this stuff.

Jock's been involved in the whole meeting in real life off the back of the PI issue and he did show Ian Newell proof that he too could track someone down - Newell's version is that it was a threat, Jock was simply saying in no uncertain terms - "I know who you are and where you live too" as an act of retaliation. I don't blame Jock for that.

Wozzer used the DT multi account - IJN gave him the password. Wozzer resigned and was criticised for it and he's essentially burnt his bridges with Trust.

Webb's posted as DT too - apparently at IJN's house as IJN gave him the password.

IJN was involved with Deadly lampshade.

IJN was involved with this spoof ADT site alongside a few others.

IJN was involved in the Windsor Boy multi-account.

All of that's now been freely verified by IJN.

Take a guess at the common demoninator.

It's been said many a time and for many a year Hairy.

I doubt there's a club in the land where one fan has caused such ill feeling among fans. AS JL said, "I don't know how he can sleep at night".

My thoughts are that if Ian Newell supported another club Wozzer wouldn't have done what he has done, Webb wouldn't have done what he has done, Jamison wouldn't have done what he has done, Hooper wouldn't have done what he has done etc. etc. That doesn't release them from responsibility, but it does provide an understanding.

I try and speak as I find - I've found the root of most of the problems between Argyle fans online is Ian Newell.

I still don't think Chris Webb would genuinely set out to hurt or upset any one - not from my dealings with him. Newell on the other hand is a bully who's entire self interest and vanity has caused this. He revels in the limelight, likes other people to see him as 'clever', needs the support of a mob, can dish out the hilarious jokes but cannot take them, isn't interested in listening to others, doesn't care what he does to others. Some would say he's a sociopath, others like Jock might call him something else.

People should really question just how much of a 'mate' he is. Beware cerbs, you'll be chewed up and spat out.

And everybody should question Newell's 'mates'.

Mike Searle wrote:

Yea Man wrote:

Mike Searle wrote:

Having thought about it a bit more I would actually trust Knecht/Frank to liase with Mark Pedlar to determine whether the IP addresses used by the ATD Greenman account do actually match any of the IP addresses used by anybody on Pasoti.

We can be fairly sure that at least one of the ATD Greenman posters must have posted on Pasoti.

This can only really be done if Mark Pedlar is willing to reveal to Knecht/Frank the name of any Pasoti account(s) that match the ATD Greenman IPs.

It's possible that ATD Greenman only used proxy servers on both sites of course.

Greenman has used mobile phones, proxy/hotspot and an ISP from a virgin media address in Devon.

Well the Virgin Media IP might tally on Pasoti. Frankly, in this instance, I don't think there's an ethical conflict in trying to identify the sender of thretening PMs.

I've not seen the threatening PMs sent to Jock but I have seen the threatening emails sent to Jock by Newell's son.

No no no they weren't threatening emails, Mike Newell was quoting lines from a film to me. He found my email address at his dad's and decided to email me lines from a film. As well as the ones you've seen there were others that said "Follow the yellow brick road" and "Life is like a box of chocolates"

lawnmowerman wrote:

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The reason my ip address keeps changing is because during the day i post from my phone. With my job i`am always mobile. I can be in dobwalls or ivybridge or anywhere in between. When using a mobile device it depends which transmitter you are connected to. Also each transmitter has multi ips but can be tracked from what I have been told.

For chris and greenman to post from the same proxy server is too much of a coincidence. If chris was totally innocent with all this he would of been falling over himself to prove he has nothing to hide. Sadly chris has not been forth coming with the offer of help to clear his name.

Exactly lawnie. I was simply trying to illustrate that ip addresses aren't an exact science unless you are highly qualified and I'm not even sure it is cast-iron even then. There are many of us on here who have multiple ips attached to our posts - in fact I've just done a spot check on a random 10 and nobody has a single ip address.

I wonder if Newell Jnr might be the 'thug' Greenman? He's also prone to using 'your' instead of 'you're'. And maybe 'articulate' Greenman is Webb's Windsor Boy mate.

Here to help

I don't believe for one second that Webb had a Windsor boy mate other than . They created the account after their weekend in Windsor together.

But is not articulate. I believe that I really do, no I really really do, I really really really do.





























Really I do, really

Davidfriio4 wrote:

Womble wrote:

Greenman needs to step forward. If not we need to look into his IP address. I see no reason at all why the mods here cant pass his IP address over to PASOTI. The time for childish fueding has stopped; IJN (who you all have a grudge against) is not a mod there.

Time for everyone to either grow up and sort it out, or leave it alone.

you are Chris Webb and I claim my £5

Dick. Typical of some people on both sites though, cant except any sort of contary opinion.

hairy j wrote:

If it's achieved anything, it's proven than IJN is elbow deep in all of this stuff.

Jock's been involved in the whole meeting in real life off the back of the PI issue and he did show Ian Newell proof that he too could track someone down - Newell's version is that it was a threat, Jock was simply saying in no uncertain terms - "I know who you are and where you live too" as an act of retaliation. I don't blame Jock for that.

Wozzer used the DT multi account - IJN gave him the password. Wozzer resigned and was criticised for it and he's essentially burnt his bridges with Trust.

Webb's posted as DT too - apparently at IJN's house as IJN gave him the password.

IJN was involved with Deadly lampshade.

IJN was involved with this spoof ADT site alongside a few others.

IJN was involved in the Windsor Boy multi-account.

All of that's now been freely verified by IJN.

Take a guess at the common demoninator.

Why always me?

I'm somehow suspect the club might have continued without him during the war. He's obviously convinced himsf otherwise,.

Ok quick apology to Ponty for saying he was ghost a while back. It's Postey who is ghost

It would help if your good mate Newell stopped accusing everyone of being someone else. He's told several people you were probably greenman posting whilst pissed and ghost is Postey, which looks a bit like Ponty.

Actually what would really, really help would be if you Pasoti mods stuck to having the one account, if you know what I mean

And do I take it you don't feck sheep then? Sorry again. I thought it was your national sport.

hairy j wrote:

Take a guess at the common demoninator.

Is that a Freudian or intentional miss Spieling ?

Womble wrote:

Dick. Typical of some people on both sites though, cant except any sort of contary opinion.

Your, you're, except, accept, basic errors in English seem to be typical of many of those dicks involved in trying to fook other people up.

It must be devastating to be un-friended by Newell on facebook

Hairy J is right with what he says.. There is only ever one person all this crap revolves around.

Chris Webb (again) could resolve this matter once and for all by making one simple post on here (im sure the mods would reinstate him to allow it) or pasoti saying yes it was me and here is why or no it isnt me. Mods can also check his IP at the same time.
I cant understand why he just doesnt do it unless he does in fact have something to hide.

Greenjock wrote:

Ok quick apology to Ponty for saying he was ghost a while back. It's Postey who is ghost

It would help if your good mate Newell stopped accusing everyone of being someone else. He's told several people you were probably greenman posting whilst pissed and ghost is Postey, which looks a bit like Ponty.

Actually what would really, really help would be if you Pasoti mods stuck to having the one account, if you know what I mean

And do I take it you don't feck sheep then? Sorry again. I thought it was your national sport.

Oh dear, my little boys not very well. Full of cold and not sleeping so another sleepless night for me.

Anyway it seems I owe Ponty another apology and need to get my ears looked at. Apparently the person who spoke to me about Ponty said he was a big f ucker not a pig f ucker, so sorry again Ponty.

Greenjock wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

Ok quick apology to Ponty for saying he was ghost a while back. It's Postey who is ghost

It would help if your good mate Newell stopped accusing everyone of being someone else. He's told several people you were probably greenman posting whilst pissed and ghost is Postey, which looks a bit like Ponty.

Actually what would really, really help would be if you Pasoti mods stuck to having the one account, if you know what I mean

And do I take it you don't feck sheep then? Sorry again. I thought it was your national sport.

Oh dear, my little boys not very well. Full of cold and not sleeping so another sleepless night for me.

Anyway it seems I owe Ponty another apology and need to get my ears looked at. Apparently the person who spoke to me about Ponty said he was a big f ucker not a pig f ucker, so sorry again Ponty.

He needs a new choice of friends though, Newell has told him he never thought Ponty was greenman yet he told frank and you that he thought he was posting when pissed.

Very admirable of him to defend Newell aswell when he put his signature has he was never told to leave the internet it's a shame webby told us different.

PL2 and others were Greenman on here but Chris Webb wasn't. Greenman on ATD was a multi. PL2 won't out the others but has urged them to come forward.

He's suggested a meeting between the warring factions to reconcile the differences.

He won't resign as a mod on pasoti as it's not a pasoti issue apparently.

The problem for ATD though lies within the plain fact that although a lot of the conspiracy theories were correct or near to the truth, some of the stuff posted on here is still very unpleasant. If the main protagonists on here kept it a little more civil and laid off the personal insults, the moral high horse you could climb on would be huge........ sadly, due to the playground name-calling that accompanied the accusations, your horse is just a My Little Pony.

I welcome Postey's confession.

He is right that this feuding has to stop. I think everyone needs to stop and think how it is effecting people in the real world. Some people have thick skins, but some don't.

I am surprised he is trying to tell us how to moderate a forum. How many times has he been caught out using a multi now?

He should resign as a Pasoti mod. It is a Pasoti issue because it brings into question his ability and judgement to moderate a forum fairly. Will the Pasoti members ever trust him again?

It won't 'end' for me until Newell shows contrition. Some of us have spent years trying to expose the devious, bullying culture he has created. We are not the cause of the ongoing grief, he and his mates are. Yes, we go over the top and take the pi$$ but that is the only way we have been able to draw attention to the behaviours that have divided us. A lot more people are now seeing the bigger picture. He won't change, we all know that.
I'd love to be able to feel that the club is somewhere I want to be again but simply sitting at a table with these people will change nothing. They have to stop trying to impose their views upon everyone and stop the dirty tricks.


Pasoti has and still is used as a tool for self promotion, thought control and silencing of other viewpoints.

When Pasoti is democratically and fairly run and owned , it may well signal the beginning of the end but does anybody think it can happen ?

These forum wars are like Peyton Place 50 years on but one thing has born true, if you prod long enough the thruth does come out. All read, there is still one ringmaster at the centre of all and must have known or even cracked that whip to coral his flock! The club I once loved is now a mirage and most, if not all the people involved in running it are pure charletons and I can't wait till the day they get it in the neck. Poor show you fuc*wits!

Poor old Cerbs is proving his credentials for a Pasoti mod position with more lies.

Nobody was given access to the modroom without agreement from other mods. When Newell's public flickr account was discovered [and not by me] Rickler and GOB were invited in . The actual modroom thread is still in the archives and will prove that they were both invited with agreement.
The screenprints of the very same modroom discussion, a 17 page thread, were taken when Cerbs and his then supporters were busy deleting all modroom discussions.
Thank god they were.
The only people to have seen them since are new mods, so that they could draw their own conclusions when I was being accused of bullying.

Maybe the section where I suggested that Rckler and Gob be invited in because of their experience and interest could be posted here, to remove any doubt that I did not act unilaterally ?


Cerbera
Post subject: Re: Yesterday's chip paperPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:42 pm


Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:05 pm
Location: Willand, Cullompton
Ian, I can categorically state that when I was a mod on ATD, there was not (to the best of my knowledge) any other mod creating Greenman over there to cause trouble. At the time there were very few mods, Tring being the only loose cannon, but even he wouldn't be so twisted as to threaten Jock - from Cyprus, and employ Tony Hooper to check up on him. Whilst it is well documented over there (and probably here) that Tring gave Rickler a) Access to the mod room and b) screen prints of mod discussions that were later made public against all the other mods requests, he surely wouldn't be so low as to set up 'one of his own'?

There seemed to be some speculation that the IP address for Greenman (on ATD) was close, but not exactly the same as the IP address that Chris was using at the time. Later one of the new mods did some digging and discovered a proxy and some other 'unanswered' or 'unanswerable' questions that seemed to point to their Greenman being Chris Webb. Et Voila! Chris Webb, Club President is banned from ATD.

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What on earth is this supposed to prove ?

The three amigos, 'Get rid of Tringy, Rickler & GOB and you'll have a nice little forum' routine.

I did post once as Floodlight Failure after being banned unfairly, before they found me out [not clever at hiding IP thingies] . I remember LG commenting that I was a true Argyle fan and only wanted the best for the club.
A year or so later I got away with trying again to convince them not to trust in Stapes as Oreston Green but was found out again. Haven't bothered trying for years now.
Hardly the same thing as the Deepthroating Windsor Boys etc etc etc


IJN
Post subject: Re: Yesterday's chip paperPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:24 pm


Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:15 pm
I don't think you've ever posted anything on ATD other than with your username of Ponty.

As for on here, I never even knew there was a Greenman, so I can't comment mate.

I can remember Gob as AAA on here though after he was banned twice, Rickler when he said to Esmer (via PM) that he hoped I'd get sick soon and Tring has been back on here more than twice.

Does that help.

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