Today's Chip Paper

Frank Bullitt wrote:

I welcome Postey's confession.

He is right that this feuding has to stop. I think everyone needs to stop and think how it is effecting people in the real world. Some people have thick skins, but some don't.

I am surprised he is trying to tell us how to moderate a forum. How many times has he been caught out using a multi now?

He should resign as a Pasoti mod. It is a Pasoti issue because it brings into question his ability and judgement to moderate a forum fairly. Will the Pasoti members ever trust him again?

Absolutely. His integrity as a mod is proven tarnished beyond reproach. Go now, and don't forget to hand in your parking and directors box pass.

When I was aged about 7 housing began to be put up on some wasteland where we used to play. One weekend a group of us went down there and clambered around exploring the building site. We then began to smash windows. On the Monday morning an assembly was called in school where the head demanded that the culprits owned up. Eventually we all did and stood up to be chastised in front of the school. What was my defence? I said that I had thrown stones but that I had only cracked some windows. It's the sort of excuse that little kiddies give and hope to get away with.

The recent 'confessions' seem to be in that category. And these are being given by grown men!

I would have had more respect if they had acknowledged their role some time ago.
I would have had more respect if they hadn't actually denied it all until being forced.
I would have had more respect if they hadn't allowed fingers to be pointed at others who may be innocent.
I would have more respect if they still didn't try to use weasel words in saying that as it was done on another web-site it doesn't count on pasoti.
I would have had more respect if the smears against the couple of mods over there who have tried to open the subject hadn't been made by people still trying to clear their tracks.
I would have more respect if they recognised the unacceptability of all the games they did do on pasoti - multis, attacks on the Trust, bannings for spurious reasons, bullying, threats etc - and actually recognise that their positions there are untenable.

Hopefully, The Doctor on pasoti will allow me to post his recent post in full. I agree with almost all of it:
"Postey - I think your post is very helpful.

The lack of honesty about who has done what has been the main source of problems here I think as that has allowed allegations to be made and left a vacuum which people could only try to fill for themselves. It has been this (obvious) lack of openness and honesty that has concerned me (and, I suspect, quite a few other posters) more so than the actual content of many of the posts made from various accounts.

I always think that in the end the truth will out and so attempts to hide it are generally doomed to failure and ultimately make things worse (ask Chris Huhne!). I also think that much of the internet dirty-tricks that we have been witnessing are a good demonstration that 'two wrongs don't make a right'. I agree that much of what is written on ATD is totally unnecessary and inappropriate in terms of the insulting language and histrionics involved and it is also very personal. It's wrong. So, I can appreciate that if you were one of the people bearing the brunt of the nasty stuff posted on ATD you would want to hit back. But quite clearly the wrongness of the ATD stuff doesn't make the wrongness of things like the Greenman posts right.

If anyone else who was involved in any Greenman on ATD or any of the other stuff that has caused such umbrage hasn't come clean yet I would urge them to do so now, here. Obviously that might lead to some criticism or doubts about future conduct/trustworthiness but I think that would be better than how things have been."


It's no secret that I don't like some of the "insulting language & histrionics" on here. But I recognise the strength of feeling and, increasingly that strength of feeling appears to have been justified. It seems that behind the bluster, those in the know on ATD were largely right all along.

The question is ..... what next? And will Argyle beat Oxford on Saturday?

Your first paragraph is a wholely appropriate analogy knecht. A desperate attempt to keep an ounce of credibility.

Absolutely spot on knecht. I couldn't have put it better myself without offending half of the civilised world and most of the uncivilized.

It was the controlling and bullying attitude of Pasoti which led to ATD forming and growing. I admit that some of the comments emanating from here are highly provocative, often insulting and I personally am not proud of my role.
What we don't do is lie. Insults, suspicions , accusations, yes we do.
The reason why a growing number of long standing Argyle fans have joined the rather unpleasant party, is because their eyes have been opened as to the antics of a small group of people hellbent on control.

I personally would like to draw a line under all of this but I don't think there is a willingness on behalf of those controlling Pasoti and representing the club itself, to allow free and open debate or questioning.
Whatever deals were struck between Newell, Webb,Jones, Brent and co during administration is now history. We are where we are.
The question is, will the people responsible for dominating and controlling Pasoti and using it as a tool for bullying/self promoting, step back and allow the healing process to begin ?
My suspicion is 'no way'. They just want us to shut up.
One look through IJN's recent posts on Pasoti would suggest that there is no chance of any reconciliation and as he is the central figure in all of the unpleasant behaviours and seems to wield far too much influence, it sadly, will go on.

why do i get the feeling pl2faced is trying to take one for the team in the hope it ends anymore questions aimed at chris like "you still cant explain why your ip matches two accounts and one of them was for definate yours"

so if we believe what pl2 is saying he has been posing as chris webb on here too.

Good post Knecht. I think you're right in that if the culprits for the multi accounts, threats etc had come forward sooner a lot of the accusations and unpleasantness wouldn't have happened. It seems that with every confession there is an attack on ATD.

We still don't know the full story but the majority on pasoti admit most of the wrongdoing has come from the select few- most of which ATD questioned. Imagine if there were no ATD, a lot of the multi accounts and Internet twattery would not have been acknowledged and they would have got away with it if it wasn't for those pesky kids.

I'm glad that ATD has been vindicated in not releasing IP details to pasoti mods -several of which have been involved in this poor behaviour. How can they moderate/ ban posters on a forum when they do not follow their own rules?

I also feel that Jock is owed a huge apology from various people linked to the club for threats against him and his family, late night prank phone calls, described as a junkie/ scrounger on ADT, set up to release details on who allowed wrathall to attend a game in the hope he'd get beaten up, lied to consistently (in the hope he attacked an 18 year old lad), threatened by email, having a private investigator investigate him and his family and much more.

This has involved various people such as the Club president, club chauffeur, a PASB represantative, pasoti mods (not all), CP-ers (not all), London branch chairman, mural designer.

It seems so ridiculous it's untrue, but all of this has happened- yet remember ATD is full of Freaks and weirdos!

And once again Newell misses the mark by a country mile and ends up inflaming the situation. He's an idiot of epic proportions and a complete liability and his REAL mates are tainted hugely by association. He cannot and will not change his manifest thuggish and bullying behaviour.

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Tell me HBLC, did you think it was Chris Webb 'til a few hours ago? I bet you did.

Hell, someone PM'd me last night saying it was Peter Jones!! The sender claims to be intelligent.

Let's not hang decent folk on here, whilst scumbags continue to invent stories and ramp up the hatred.

Ian De Lar is a lovely bloke, he's not a loud mouth like me, he's not a warrior of any type, it sounds like he'd had enough on the sh*te that goes on on that site, and thought he (and a few others) would have an internet pop back.

Knowing Ian as I do, this will have upset him, and that's wrong, as he's a nice man.

Stop this stupid hounding, on line, or someone will end up being hurt, that's not a threat, I'm too old for all that rubbish, but someone will do something stupid soon, I can just feel it.

As Graham Clark has said, none of us invloved are blameless, none involved can say we haven't made mistakes, but I can feel this is going to brew over from the internet world into the real world if people don't stop this.

You may get your rocks off on sh*t stirring HBLC, others are doing the same, and some of them claim to be sensible and the mediator type, but look back at this thread, when it was dying, these 'sensible' people, pop back on and bring this thread back to the top.

Let's stop this crap soon, because if someone does end up hurt, self inflicted, wife leaving him or something else, the people that are stirring in the background, are as culpable if not more so, than the original protaganists, of which I was one.

Let's please put an end to this nonsense NOW!!

Chemical Ali wrote:

Good post Knecht. I think you're right in that if the culprits for the multi accounts, threats etc had come forward sooner a lot of the accusations and unpleasantness wouldn't have happened. It seems that with every confession there is an attack on ATD.

We still don't know the full story but the majority on pasoti admit most of the wrongdoing has come from the select few- most of which ATD questioned. Imagine if there were no ATD, a lot of the multi accounts and Internet twattery would not have been acknowledged and they would have got away with it if it wasn't for those pesky kids.

I'm glad that ATD has been vindicated in not releasing IP details to pasoti mods -several of which have been involved in this poor behaviour. How can they moderate/ ban posters on a forum when they do not follow their own rules?

I also feel that Jock is owed a huge apology from various people linked to the club for threats against him and his family, late night prank phone calls, described as a junkie/ scrounger on ADT, set up to release details on who allowed wrathall to attend a game in the hope he'd get beaten up, lied to consistently (in the hope he attacked an 18 year old lad), threatened by email, having a private investigator investigate him and his family and much more.

This has involved various people such as the Club president, club chauffeur, a PASB represantative, pasoti mods (not all), CP-ers (not all), London branch chairman, mural designer.

It seems so ridiculous it's untrue, but all of this has happened- yet remember ATD is full of Freaks and weirdos!

And now Napoleon wants an end to it, 'before someone gets hurt'.

Pasoti needs a complete seed change , not yet another cover up and continued division.

Time to retire to the Directors' Box, while it's still on offer.

I think you mean Gob, Pete.

So postcode admits he was one part of the Greenman gang.

Fairplay for having the balls to own up, unlike the other wankers involved. Shame it didn't come sooner.

If he's adamant Webb wasn't involved then why did he not come forward (in private maybe?) to one of the mods on here at the time and tell us then?

Looks to me like another of the special friends is taking one for the team.

I knew from the very start when I started looking into Greenman that it was a shared account and it'd be somebody who knows how to manipulate IP addresses and locations to make it untraceable.

Unfortunately though when giving the password out to Webb he decided to post from the hotspot/proxy IP that was posted earlier from both accounts.

It's alright Ian Newell calling for it to end, how about he mans the feck up and apologises for the downright lies he has told.

How about he admits that he told Frank that he thought Greenman was Ponty posting when he pissed.

How about Chris Webb admits that he told Frank that Newell had been told to get off the internet or lose the AAA pass?

We're not the bad ones here, we may go over the top with what is written but that's because we are fecked off with the shit being played out at the club and the underhand games they play.

All it comes down to it the end with all this sack cloth and ashes confessional stuff is REAL mates sobbing on the shoulders of REAL mates who then tell them what a REAL mate they are and how brave it is that they are being REAL. Now that a few freaks and weirdoes have been caught in the cross fire is little or nothing to them.

A PI and one of his clients investigating a follow fan nothing to see here and while your at it here's a place on a board to scrunitnize the club for honesty and transparency.

A fellow fan forced off a regular writing gig after represntation from the club president and his REAL mates. Nothing to see here. Move along if you please. And anyway they were nasty to me and my REAL mates is deserved it.

A director of the club baiting fans under a pseudonym. Nothing to see here it was a multi. And anyway people were being rotten to his REAL mate James.

Mike Searle wrote:

because if someone does end up hurt,

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And that pretty much says it all about the fook'tard, he thinks he is still in the school play ground of the 1960s where bullying and threats were the standard if you were in the biggest gang. He used to relish using my real name on Exeweb and advertising that I lived in Dagenham because the second biggest and gayest bear in the Eastleigh lovenest, IT geek and ex Brixham RFC starlet Dave the Shat on Gull, identified my IP address.

Trouble with IP addresses, that is unless you are proper devious, they only identify your nearest hi speed server, mine happens to be in Dagenham.

He is by all accounts very dim and was probably excellent hoolie fodder when he was an inpressionable lad, might even have had a nice arse before it all went saggy, that would explain a lot too. This quote is oh so typical of his ilk and although I feel you boys have got a bit obsessive I can see where you are coming from, you still have a long way to go to sink even close to his level.

An 'orrible man with what appears to be an ever shrinking possee of 'orrible 'friends', still, there are always stewards to have a go at just as long as there is no chance of finishing up in a one on one with anybody who might fight back.

Yea Man wrote:

So postcode admits he was one part of the Greenman gang.

Fairplay for having the balls to own up, unlike the other wankers involved. Shame it didn't come sooner.

If he's adamant Webb wasn't involved then why did he not come forward (in private maybe?) to one of the mods on here at the time and tell us then?

Looks to me like another of the special friends is taking one for the team.

I knew from the very start when I started looking into Greenman that it was a shared account and it'd be somebody who knows how to manipulate IP addresses and locations to make it untraceable.

Unfortunately though when giving the password out to Webb he decided to post from the hotspot/proxy IP that was posted earlier from both accounts.

It's alright Ian Newell calling for it to end, how about he mans the feck up and apologises for the downright lies he has told.

How about he admits that he told Frank that he thought Greenman was Ponty posting when he pissed.

How about Chris Webb admits that he told Frank that Newell had been told to get off the internet or lose the AAA pass?

We're not the bad ones here, we may go over the top with what is written but that's because we are fecked off with the shit being played out at the club and the underhand games they play.

Thought crosses everyones mind in this caper, I say keep going until the absolute thruth is out. I'm fairly certain the one in the centre of all this wants an end to it, it stinks!

So if we had given the IP addresses to Postey yesterday, would he have implicated himself as Greenman?

Lets stop and think about this for a second - Newell was imploring us to give the IP addresses to one of the people behind Greenman so he could clear Webb's name. If we did that then the whole thing would have been sorted. Unbelievable.

This is why no one trusts Pasoti.

Having just got home, anything happened today then?

PS Who the fek was AAA, it definitely wasn't me

So if this is true about 2-faced, how come Webb was so terrified to provide his IP if he wasn't involved?

Maybe Webb would now like to provide the IP address that he HAD AT THE TIME along with some evidence to back up any claim, then we can all apologise to Webb and move on?

you will get no such info GOB they are all in it together.
webb of deceit.

GOB wrote:

So if this is true about 2-faced, how come Webb was so terrified to provide his IP if he wasn't involved?

Maybe Webb would now like to provide the IP address that he HAD AT THE TIME along with some evidence to back up any claim, then we can all apologise to Webb and move on?

It really is as simple as that aswell.

If an IP had been provided to one of the keyholders who can be trusted by every user of this site then all of this shite could have easily have been resolved.

The fact he was so reluctant to provide it has spoken volumes for many people.

The only change that I see today is that another pasoti mod has been outed, Webby still needs to answer a few questions?

He seems to be the only one left that lacks the spine to come clean and the only one to prolong this shyte!

Be careful what you wish for. Any minute now we're going to get another of those sickening 'I've given my life for this club', 'Let's move on', 'We're all Argyle fans at the end of the day' speeches.

I think its important to remember that the current Greenman fuss was caused because Webb was trying to deflect attention away from his belated confession about using the Deep Throat account.

Lets move on.

How are we gonna get on against Oxford? Green Army!

For the great many that are viewing ATD, reading both sites and wandering just why there’s plenty of abuse thrown at the pasoti mods as Postey seems to be complaining about, here’s 10 FACTS!

1) The “old” Argyle Talk site/forum – Severe and very personal verbal abuse aimed at the users, the site taken over and closed despite the users having paid cash to run it, by - PASOTI MODERATORS!

2) ATD – Dozens upon dozens and if not hundreds of attempts to destabilise ATD by - PASOTI MODERATORS!

3) Personal insults publically displayed on pasoti and written by - PASOTI MODERATORS!

4) False pasoti accounts created that verbally abused ATD users and AFT leaders by – PASOTI MODERATORS!

5) Attempts to undermine ATD’s, Argyle relationship by emailing the club to slur ATD users by – PASOTI MODERATORS!

6) Attempts to slur ATD in the club programme and written by – PASOTI MODERATORS!

7) Telephone calls slurring ATD and its users from – PASOTI MODERATORS!

8 ) Dozens upon dozens of unjustified threats of legal action against ATD from – PASOTI MODERATORS!

9) False accounts created on ATD to threaten ATD users with violence, from – PASOTI MODERATORS!

10) Fklr accounts created to display private and confidential information regarding ATD users that some could argue were for reasons of “leverage” by – PASOTI MODERATORS!


And a lucky bonus ball....

11) Webb is completely innocent in all of this!