Redundancies at Argyle?

As JB has stated on many an occasion,he knows nothing about football. I would also say he knows a lot less about Argyle than the majority of people on this site. I'm quite surprised at how well our attendances are holding up this season. Last season there was a sort of Alamo or Dunkirk spirit around the club which IMHO kept the attendances up. This has now worn off, hence my surprise.

I have two very simple questions. As JB wouldn't have much of an idea of what would be considered an average crowd for Argyle playing in the bottom tier of the football league, taking into account the hammering loyal fans have taken over the last few years...........

Who advised JB on what sort of attendance could be expected? What was that figure?

Make it three questions. Are you still listening to that person(S)?

IMHO if asked, I would have told him to budget for 5000.

Richard Blight wrote:

As JB has stated on many an occasion,he knows nothing about football. I would also say he knows a lot less about Argyle than the majority of people on this site. I'm quite surprised at how well our attendances are holding up this season. Last season there was a sort of Alamo or Dunkirk spirit around the club which IMHO kept the attendances up. This has now worn off, hence my surprise.

I have two very simple questions. As JB wouldn't have much of an idea of what would be considered an average crowd for Argyle playing in the bottom tier of the football league, taking into account the hammering loyal fans have taken over the last few years...........

Who advised JB on what sort of attendance could be expected? What was that figure?

Make it three questions. Are you still listening to that person(S)?

IMHO if asked, I would have told him to budget for 5000.

That would involve telling Brent something he may not wish to hear. Something that others don't appear willing to do.

greengenes wrote:

Peggy wrote:

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Penzance wrote:

I smell something more than just cost cutting here. There's inside club politics in this decision somewhere.... It'll come out sooner or later.

I also smell this.

Me too. Stinks.

Care to elaborate ? Or is this just innuendo ?

GG. Deep breath.

It wasn't innuendo that got me thrown off the programme because the president and his mate don't like me. You've seen the proof of that.

Neither has any of the other stuff lately - the appearance of superfans in the director's box, the warnings to PASB candidates not to post on here, the reprehensible private investigator incident, the disappearance of several names from pasoti - been innuendo. Those who choose to find it all too upsetting, and who want the 'bickering' to stop should wake up now and recognise that all of this is linked. There's a plan, this is the latest phase of it, and anybody who might speak out against it is to be neutralised (at best).

Peggy wrote:

greengenes wrote:

Peggy wrote:

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Penzance wrote:

I smell something more than just cost cutting here. There's inside club politics in this decision somewhere.... It'll come out sooner or later.

I also smell this.

Me too. Stinks.

Care to elaborate ? Or is this just innuendo ?

GG. Deep breath.

It wasn't innuendo that got me thrown off the programme because the president and his mate don't like me. You've seen the proof of that.

Neither has any of the other stuff lately - the appearance of superfans in the director's box, the warnings to PASB candidates not to post on here, the reprehensible private investigator incident, the disappearance of several names from pasoti - been innuendo. Those who choose to find it all too upsetting, and who want the 'bickering' to stop should wake up now and recognise that all of this is linked. There's a plan, this is the latest phase of it, and anybody who might speak out against it is to be neutralised (at best).

With all due respect Peggy you haven't answered the question . Exactly what are you hinting at . Name names . Do you think ceratin people have initiated this ? I'm not concerned about bickering . I'm concerned with facts .

greengenes wrote:

Peggy wrote:

greengenes wrote:

Peggy wrote:

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Penzance wrote:

I smell something more than just cost cutting here. There's inside club politics in this decision somewhere.... It'll come out sooner or later.

I also smell this.

Me too. Stinks.

Care to elaborate ? Or is this just innuendo ?

GG. Deep breath.

It wasn't innuendo that got me thrown off the programme because the president and his mate don't like me. You've seen the proof of that.

Neither has any of the other stuff lately - the appearance of superfans in the director's box, the warnings to PASB candidates not to post on here, the reprehensible private investigator incident, the disappearance of several names from pasoti - been innuendo. Those who choose to find it all too upsetting, and who want the 'bickering' to stop should wake up now and recognise that all of this is linked. There's a plan, this is the latest phase of it, and anybody who might speak out against it is to be neutralised (at best).

With all due respect Peggy you haven't answered the question . Exactly what are you hinting at . Name names . Do you think ceratin people have initiated this ? I'm not concerned about bickering . I'm concerned with facts .

Nice to see you're interested in the facts at last. So are we all, but some of us seem to be better at putting two and two together than others. So no, I don't claim to know exactly what's been going on, but given everything else I think I've got a fair idea.

This mysterious break even figure - surely this is calculated by working out the club overheads and then calculating how many paying spectators are needed to cover that.

People seem to be critical of the 8000 (fact or rumour?) figure but there is no way anyone can estimate the likely crowd level first then set overheads to this level of income. That just doesn't work mathematically.

Why has the official site not mentioning this latest development? Surely a statement would have been prepared in advance and just needed posting.

Peggy wrote:

greengenes wrote:

Peggy wrote:

greengenes wrote:

Peggy wrote:

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Penzance wrote:

I smell something more than just cost cutting here. There's inside club politics in this decision somewhere.... It'll come out sooner or later.

I also smell this.

Me too. Stinks.

Care to elaborate ? Or is this just innuendo ?

GG. Deep breath.

It wasn't innuendo that got me thrown off the programme because the president and his mate don't like me. You've seen the proof of that.

Neither has any of the other stuff lately - the appearance of superfans in the director's box, the warnings to PASB candidates not to post on here, the reprehensible private investigator incident, the disappearance of several names from pasoti - been innuendo. Those who choose to find it all too upsetting, and who want the 'bickering' to stop should wake up now and recognise that all of this is linked. There's a plan, this is the latest phase of it, and anybody who might speak out against it is to be neutralised (at best).

With all due respect Peggy you haven't answered the question . Exactly what are you hinting at . Name names . Do you think ceratin people have initiated this ? I'm not concerned about bickering . I'm concerned with facts .

Nice to see you're interested in the facts at last. So are we all, but some of us seem to be better at putting two and two together than others. So no, I don't claim to know exactly what's been going on, but given everything else I think I've got a fair idea.

Its very hard for me to have a reasonable considered discussion on here but I keep trying . I've already been discribed as a "Stain" by Gob and you say " its nice to see you are interested in facts AT LAST " but no one presents those facts . Putting two and two together doesn't always work as I have discovered to my shame in my personal life over 59 years . Look I come on here trying to at least have some sort of discussion but face a constant barrage of put downs . Does no one welcome an opposing view . Does ATD onmly want people to follow the company line . Lets at least speak without the ATD scatter gun approach of insults .

Dingle wrote:

Why has the official site not mentioning this latest development? Surely a statement would have been prepared in advance and just needed posting.

Perhaps the website updater has been made redundant and nobody else will touch the job?

greengenes wrote:

Peggy wrote:

greengenes wrote:

Peggy wrote:

greengenes wrote:

Peggy wrote:

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Penzance wrote:

I smell something more than just cost cutting here. There's inside club politics in this decision somewhere.... It'll come out sooner or later.

I also smell this.

Me too. Stinks.

Care to elaborate ? Or is this just innuendo ?

GG. Deep breath.

It wasn't innuendo that got me thrown off the programme because the president and his mate don't like me. You've seen the proof of that.

Neither has any of the other stuff lately - the appearance of superfans in the director's box, the warnings to PASB candidates not to post on here, the reprehensible private investigator incident, the disappearance of several names from pasoti - been innuendo. Those who choose to find it all too upsetting, and who want the 'bickering' to stop should wake up now and recognise that all of this is linked. There's a plan, this is the latest phase of it, and anybody who might speak out against it is to be neutralised (at best).

With all due respect Peggy you haven't answered the question . Exactly what are you hinting at . Name names . Do you think ceratin people have initiated this ? I'm not concerned about bickering . I'm concerned with facts .

Nice to see you're interested in the facts at last. So are we all, but some of us seem to be better at putting two and two together than others. So no, I don't claim to know exactly what's been going on, but given everything else I think I've got a fair idea.

Its very hard for me to have a reasonable considered discussion on here but I keep trying . I've already been discribed as a "Stain" by Gob and you say " its nice to see you are interested in facts AT LAST " but no one presents those facts . Putting two and two together doesn't always work as I have discovered to my shame in my personal life over 59 years . Look I come on here trying to at least have some sort of discussion but face a constant barrage of put downs . Does no one welcome an opposing view . Does ATD onmly want people to follow the company line . Lets at least speak without the ATD scatter gun approach of insults .

Well said.

Dingle wrote:

Why has the official site not mentioning this latest development? Surely a statement would have been prepared in advance and just needed posting.

Maybe there's no one left in the media department. Nothing would surprise me anymore. Maybe the Chuckle Brothers are taking over all club communications given their proven success on social media in the last 12 months....

greengenes wrote:

I'm not concerned about bickering . I'm concerned with facts .

With respect GG, while you come across as fairer than some, I don't think you are into 'facts'... and do you think people go around carelessly leaving 'facts' all over the place. I think you are into supporting the green flag regardless. And then , once the 'fact' does come out, you scream 'hindsight'.
Do you really really need absolute truth to believe in anything ? I bet you can manage it in other walks of life... you just don't WANT to know.

greengenes wrote:

.......Its very hard for me to have a reasonable considered discussion on here but I keep trying . I've already been discribed as a "Stain" by Gob and you say " its nice to see you are interested in facts AT LAST " but no one presents those facts . Putting two and two together doesn't always work as I have discovered to my shame in my personal life over 59 years . Look I come on here trying to at least have some sort of discussion but face a constant barrage of put downs . Does no one welcome an opposing view . Does ATD onmly want people to follow the company line . Lets at least speak without the ATD scatter gun approach of insults .

A genuine response, gg. I may be wrong. You rarely come on and put your point of view. You just seem to come on to challenge people. That's fine and ought to be OK. But don't be surprised if you get it back.

What is your opinion of all this stuff about redundancies?

GG used to come on ATD for a nightly binge and winge at Ginge ...for an hour ... and then disappear.
Knecht, why do you think he's affectionately nicknamed the unmanned drone ?

You're starting to even sound like Webb now GG.

Let's be frank about it, you have never been comfortable on here, always taken sides and often take a swipe in defense of pasoti at ATD. Noticeably it's a one way thing, it's not been known for you to take the swipe in the other direction. Now, when you get a few back ATD suddenly becomes a scatter gun and that's something that pasoti isn't of course!

It's difficult to take GG's complaint entirely seriously when earlier tonight his response to being challenged on a few things was to announce that he was off to the pub.

Czarcasm wrote:

If Brent hadn't saddled us with Clueless Carl, then Clueless wouldn't have thrown money away, awarding contract extensions to useless donkeys like Chadwick and Feeney.

The money saved on those two pointless contracts would easily pay the minimum wage salary of 10 office staff.

Fletcher is a useless f8ckwit. But Brent is demonstrating a level of cluelessness even Carl couldn't aspire to.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

With the PASB having their first meeting on Friday (I'm guessing that anything the club does before this is 'history' and non-discussable), what other bad news will be announced this week?

In the small dealings I've had with the club, the commercial and marketing teams seem to comprise of 1 person in each department- how can they downsize (unless as suggested this will be done on a voluntary basis)? I would guess more shop staff will be going (the staff shop under the Lundhurst was shut against Rochdale and a sign saying -

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More Argyle merchandise in Saltrock presumably?

All this, the whole putrid pantomime, is just gearing the club up for wanker owners and Conference football.

GOB wrote:

Quote :

PL2 3DQ wrote:
One thing is for sure, if and when the Rescue Bid is needed it will be all hands to the pump, a surge of positivity will happen and a feeling of pride in our club will return.

Snivelling to$$er.

david_fisher wrote:

I've heard from reliable sources that the budgeted attendance is circa 8,000.

Ridiculous of course but it may explain the need for "redundancies".

Guess who told him they would inspire the green army

Iggy wrote:

Brent has overestimated the club feeling amongst supporters if he believes that 8000 were going to turn up this season. After a summer where we got beaten by every team we played other than Tiverton town and that was close, we failed to sign anyone of note and kept the under performers. If the club had just a little ambition I would be glad to go back to being a season ticket holder again, after all this it makes me more distanced from the club. No doubt someone will tell me I am the problem, but I can't support Brent and his vision of what Argyle should be, I just don't believe he cares.

So true indeed,so true....

Chemical Ali wrote:

With the PASB having their first meeting on Friday (I'm guessing that anything the club does before this is 'history' and non-discussable), what other bad news will be announced this week?

In the small dealings I've had with the club, the commercial and marketing teams seem to comprise of 1 person in each department- how can they downsize (unless as suggested this will be done on a voluntary basis)? I would guess more shop staff will be going (the staff shop under the Lundhurst was shut against Rochdale and a sign saying -

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More Argyle merchandise in Saltrock presumably?

Saltrock has refused to sell Argyle merchandise and that shop under the Lyndhurst has been shut since the end of September.

Andy_Symons wrote:

It's difficult to take GG's complaint entirely seriously when earlier tonight his response to being challenged on a few things was to announce that he was off to the pub.

2 pints and there you go again . It wasn't my response to being challenged to go to the pub . That was prearranged and I had a nice time . Why is everything on here twisted ? I had a clouple of pints because I felt challenged on here ? Rubbish . Lets talk but lets talk reasonably .
I've met Frank and we exchanged views . I'm sure he has a different view of me after that meeting than he had before . I'll meet anyone on here and chat (over a couple of pints )

here you go then GG, what do you think of the way Newell and Webb have behaved?