EU warns it will not accept pig in a poke Brexit.

seadog wrote:

It is always someone else's fault, always.

Covid, the leavers friend.

If it wasn't for those pesky kids..................

I give up. Border force like most of the civil service have been shite and provided very poor service to us for donkeys years but now you all make excuses and blame it on us, you are playing the blame game. I'm quite prepared to "own" the future I just wish everybody would realise the whole political system is fooked and needs dismantling before we start again.
Everybody needs to man the feck up and stop whining about the past, finding your job tough? Quit. There's loads of other work out there.

Earwegoagain wrote:

I give up. Border force like most of the civil service have been shite and provided very poor service to us for donkeys years but now you all make excuses and blame it on us, you are playing the blame game. I'm quite prepared to "own" the future I just wish everybody would realise the whole political system is fooked and needs dismantling before we start again.
Everybody needs to man the feck up and stop whining about the past, finding your job tough? Quit. There's loads of other work out there.

Yeah yeah yeah whatever. You can’t anecdote your way out of this one. You don’t know what you are talking about and you can’t handle the fact that you are wrong.

Earwegoagain wrote:

Maybe a tiny point made but I can remember spending more than a few hours at Plymouth ferry port more than once and even going back ten fifteen years ago (whilst we were still in the EU) whilst border force decided whether to check every bodies passports for ten minutes or half an hour. I think our best one was about four hours when we were half way down the queue. Not sure who to blame that on?

Hmm, while it can take an age to get all the vehicles out of the ferryport and I've had all the verbals to prove it (not to mention a couple of dodges out of the way of angry drivers) I don't think it's ever taken more than about two and a half hours and that would be a completely jammed full Pont-Aven with 600 cars and 2000 passengers in the height of summer.

And that's going back 25 years.

FFS! Greenlander we don't listen to experts now!

Now you want us! Merkel's successor calls for Brexit Britain to be included in new EU army

Tgwu wrote:

Now you want us! Merkel's successor calls for Brexit Britain to be included in new EU army

Boris the faux brexiteer will be only too happy to oblige.

Tgwu wrote:

Now you want us! Merkel's successor calls for Brexit Britain to be included in new EU army

Military history tells us that attacking armies need air cover such as the stukas which pulverised the Polish army prior to the panzers going in. The much later Battle of the Bulge was a failure waiting to happen for the Germans simply because when the weather cleared the allied air power had the freedom of the skies mainly because the Luftwaffe had virtually ceased to exist.

An EU army means an air force and a navy will 'eventually' be part of the deal. And who is going the Commander-in-chief of these forces? Macron of France has already sent a delegation to President Bidet in order to try and get a French general to replace the British general as the 'NATO Deputy Supreme Allied Commander EUrope. Also, come early new year, expect a France power play when it takes over the Presidency of the European Union. I'm almost certain that France will demand that all military aircraft 'must' purchased from an EU manufacturer - which means mostly Airbus Industrie while battlefield machinery such as tanks, field guns, apc's will be built by Germany's Krauss-Maffei Wegmann which recently merged with 'Nexter Systems' which is wholly owned by the French Government. Gotta keep it in the Franco/German family ain't we.

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PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

We live 6 months in Spain, October to April, and 6 months in the UK. Now we can't. Why? Because of Brexit. We can stay 90 days, but then have to come back for 90 days. Freedom of movement is severely restricted and going back and forward every 3 months is inconvenient and seriously expensive. We have property there, a bank account, health insurance, but we fall into the 'tourism' trap of the 90 day rule.

Truth be told I do feel for PP and the predicament he finds himself in. However, when you get the likes Dominic Grieve sporting France's Legion d'honneur and Ken Clarke popping across the channel for tete-et-tetes about the ways and means of keeping Britian in the clutches of Brussels even after the majority of the public voted out in a referendum seriously irritates me.

I'm a bit hazy about this and hope someone out there can fill in the details. Michel Barnier has high hopes of becomming the next President of France on a ticket of, among other things, suspending immigration from "outside the EU" for three to five years*. Being an outsider from the UK and before Barnier can tell me to sod off, could I move there? and if the answer is yes then why not elsewhere in the EU?

*Probably a cunning plan to split the Marine Le Pen vote.

Why would the EU not want to take advantage of our stunning Army and Naval procurement? Look at the Type 45s and Ajax, world beaters!

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

seadog wrote:

It is always someone else's fault, always.

Covid, the leavers friend.

So can you give any sort of realistic percentage assessment of how many of the current issues were caused by Covid or Brexit Garry? Presumably you would acknowledge that at least some of them were caused by the Covid situation?

Greenskin wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

seadog wrote:

It is always someone else's fault, always.

Covid, the leavers friend.

So can you give any sort of realistic percentage assessment of how many of the current issues were caused by Covid or Brexit Garry? Presumably you would acknowledge that at least some of them were caused by the Covid situation?

You didnt ask me but I'll answer anyway

15% Covid
85% Brexit

......and frankly thats being generous

harvetheslayer wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

seadog wrote:

It is always someone else's fault, always.

Covid, the leavers friend.

So can you give any sort of realistic percentage assessment of how many of the current issues were caused by Covid or Brexit Garry? Presumably you would acknowledge that at least some of them were caused by the Covid situation?

You didnt ask me but I'll answer anyway

15% Covid
85% Brexit

......and frankly thats being generous

Can you prove that?

I'm really struggling to see all these dividends and 'sunny uplands' of brexit that Bozo was espousing. If the brexiteers could name even one benefit that we've got from this absolute debacle. And you definitely can't say we've got back control of our borders LOL.

Greenskin wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

seadog wrote:

It is always someone else's fault, always.

Covid, the leavers friend.

So can you give any sort of realistic percentage assessment of how many of the current issues were caused by Covid or Brexit Garry? Presumably you would acknowledge that at least some of them were caused by the Covid situation?

It was more a comment on Ears' frequent assertions that anything that goes wrong is down to Covid, not Brexit.

Of course Covid has had an major impact on the UK, as it has in all countries, but I think it's true to say that Brexit has not been the success that its' major supporters would like us to think. The £350m a week, the taking back control, oven ready deals, massive trade deals with other countries, etc etc, they have all turned out to be false, indeed the whole leave campaign was based on slogans, not truth and honesty.

Frank has already detailed the shambles at our borders, the lack of drivers, farmers crops rotting in the fields, the ever increasing gaps on supermarket shelves, the impacts on people's lives due to no freedom of movement - all these plus many more I'm sure are a direct result of Brexit. Not to mention our standing as a reliable and honest contributor to the free world, which has suffered to such an extent that we find ourselves friendless and viewed with suspicion as a nation that cannot be trusted to stick to agreements that it has signed up to.

I've said many times that Brexit was catastrophically stupid and nothing I have read or heard has changed that view.

It’s understandable that people who’ve been directly and acutely effected by Brexit will be justifiably miffed. Frank with work and PP with, well, life.

I also think making a comprehensive judgment on its plusses and minuses at this early stage, simply cannot credibly be made. What is apparent at this stage is it’s far easier to flag the negatives, and of course it’s undeniable that Covid will have exacerbated every perceived Brexit negative.

Let’s see where the country is in five years.

Czarcasm wrote:

It’s understandable that people who’ve been directly and acutely effected by Brexit will be justifiably miffed. Frank with work and PP with, well, life.

I also think making a comprehensive judgment on its plusses and minuses at this early stage, simply cannot credibly be made. What is apparent at this stage is it’s far easier to flag the negatives, and of course it’s undeniable that Covid will have exacerbated every perceived Brexit negative.

Let’s see where the country is in five years.

What do you actually expect to get better then?

The USA has turned its back on us, the vast majority of the trade deals we have 'negotiated' are carbon copies of what we already had. So what do you expect to improve?

Has anyone noticed how France , which also has COVID and a heavily vaccine resistant population doesn't have a problem with empty shelves. Actually even Northern Ireland which is in the customs union doesn't seem to have the same issue as mainland UK. Funny that.

Did you also not notice how empty shelves weren't thing until this year, when the transition period ended. Funny that, I seem to remember COVID being a thing last year as well

I can't wait until we finally introduce inbound checks which were supposed to have been introduced in April but have been pushed back to Jan of next year

The shortage of drivers is quite easy to pin on Brexit, because there was already a massive shortage of them before Brexit and COVID. Although Ears seems to think there's a massive queue of stout British drivers that have been undercut by devious Johnny Foreigner, he is as usual talking utter crap. You'd be surprised how few people are prepared to train at their own expense for a dangerous job with long anti-social hours for shit money. Hence why sending 25,000 of them back probably wasn't a great idea.

You've been had chaps,

Funny how a driver shortage... IN MANY COUNTRIES AS WELL AS THE UK... suddenly has been jumped on by remoaners as obviously a Brexit problem...sounds like desperation is raising its ugly head by the ... we luv the EU whatever brigade.

Czarcasm wrote:

It’s understandable that people who’ve been directly and acutely effected by Brexit will be justifiably miffed. Frank with work and PP with, well, life.

I also think making a comprehensive judgment on its plusses and minuses at this early stage, simply cannot credibly be made. What is apparent at this stage is it’s far easier to flag the negatives, and of course it’s undeniable that Covid will have exacerbated every perceived Brexit negative.

Let’s see where the country is in five years.

Hopefully back in the EU. When Bozo is history I'm confident that a proper responsible government will undo this catastrophic mistake.

Talking shit as usual.

Employing cheaper foreign workers is a trick as old as time, it has been done at sea forever.
However to rely on cheap foreign labour is one thing, to then stop that labour from working is another.

Clodagh Rubbish wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

It’s understandable that people who’ve been directly and acutely effected by Brexit will be justifiably miffed. Frank with work and PP with, well, life.

I also think making a comprehensive judgment on its plusses and minuses at this early stage, simply cannot credibly be made. What is apparent at this stage is it’s far easier to flag the negatives, and of course it’s undeniable that Covid will have exacerbated every perceived Brexit negative.

Let’s see where the country is in five years.

What do you actually expect to get better then?

The USA has turned its back on us, the vast majority of the trade deals we have 'negotiated' are carbon copies of what we already had. So what do you expect to improve?

Has anyone noticed how France , which also has COVID and a heavily vaccine resistant population doesn't have a problem with empty shelves. Actually even Northern Ireland which is in the customs union doesn't seem to have the same issue as mainland UK. Funny that.

Did you also not notice how empty shelves weren't thing until this year, when the transition period ended. Funny that, I seem to remember COVID being a thing last year as well

I can't wait until we finally introduce inbound checks which were supposed to have been introduced in April but have been pushed back to Jan of next year

The shortage of drivers is quite easy to pin on Brexit, because there was already a massive shortage of them before Brexit and COVID. Although Ears seems to think there's a massive queue of stout British drivers that have been undercut by devious Johnny Foreigner, he is as usual talking utter crap. You'd be surprised how few people are prepared to train at their own expense for a dangerous job with long anti-social hours for shit money. Hence why sending 25,000 of them back probably wasn't a great idea.

You've been had chaps,

If you think Covid had no bearing at all on 25,000 EU truck drivers returning home, then I don’t really know what to say.

What I will say, and it has effected me far more than the odd empty supermarket shelf, is that Covid is the precise reason you can’t book a fookin taxi in Plymouth at the minute.

I wonder when we will come together again and rebuild our divided nation.

Czarcasm wrote:

If you think Covid had no bearing at all on 25,000 EU truck drivers returning home, then I don’t really know what to say.

What I will say, and it has effected me far more than the odd empty supermarket shelf, is that Covid is the precise reason you can’t book a fookin taxi in Plymouth at the minute.  

Regarding lorry drivers, may I direct you to my post: Wed Sept 01, 2:40pm.


I add this link which might also explain why even fewer new drivers were coming through the ranks....


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As for empty shelves: I live approximately 160-70 miles east of Plymouth and I can report that my local Morrisons and Asda superstore show no empty shelving - in fact the fruit gondolas are overflowing with satsumas from Morroco and Peru, apples from Chile and South Africa and even blueberries from Israel.