EU referendum...THE RESULT...and aftermath...

Charlie Wood wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Charlie Wood wrote:

Another pointless chart from Frannie. How many from each country are living outside their country but still in the EU. I know I'm not.

Google is your friend too.

Look it up.

I've got far better things to do with my time, I was just pointing out another of your misleading stats. You'd have done well working for the Remain campaign. (In the wider world, not just on here).

Maybe you should make an effort to better inform yourself (just saying like!).

Anyhow, 2 minutes of my life just for you Charlie.

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Charlie Wood wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Charlie Wood wrote:

Another pointless chart from Frannie. How many from each country are living outside their country but still in the EU. I know I'm not.

Google is your friend too.

Look it up.

I've got far better things to do with my time, I was just pointing out another of your misleading stats. You'd have done well working for the Remain campaign. (In the wider world, not just on here).

I'm puzzled: How are these statistics misleading?

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Cameron: the man who called the referendum - gone.

Johnson: the who campaigned for Leave - gone.

Farage: the man whose life ambition it was for us to have a referendum - gone.

It's as if they've all had a chance to consider where we are, thought "sod that for a game of soldiers" and have all cleared off leaving the mess to somebody else to cope with.

Gove is the last man standing and he's going to lose.

Talk about rats deserting a sinking ship!

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Do you have any figures on how many of those 4.9 million Brits abroad are living in social housing, drawing benefits from the host country or living off organised crime?

Here you are Les.....

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Thanks Moist, the link isn't working on my phone but I'll of course take your word for it. Out of interest, how much do you get a week

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His fellow Leave campaigner Nigel Farage has, meanwhile, taken a swipe at Home Secretary and Tory leadership contender Theresa May for suggesting the residency rights of EU migrants in the UK could be on the table in Brexit negotiations if she becomes PM.

The outgoing UKIP leader told LBC radio: "I am disgusted at the way May has been speaking. The EU nationals living in the UK came here legally and they have protected rights."


I've heard it all now!

More political guff???

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Education Minister Nick Gibb calls today's strike "pointless", "politically motivated" and "damaging" to teacher's public perception.

The strike is about school funding and teacher pay and but this year's school budget "is greater than in any previous year" at £40bn.

The strike does not have a "democratic mandate from a majority of NUT members", he adds.

Nearly 25% of NUT members voted in the strike ballot - of those who voted, 91.7% supported strike action.

The same could be said about the Leave vote in that.....

Brexit does not have a "democratic mandate from a majority of the electorate"

Possibly the most staggering example of self-assured incompetence by Cameron was his lack of a safeguard in the referendum result.

It could have required a majority in all 4 countries or 50%+ of the electorate or a clear 2-to-1 majority amongst those who did vote or various other options so that Farage's pre-planted "if it's 52-48 then the fight goes on" could have been invalidated.

His misplaced confidence and general ineptitude saw to it that he lost, however, without a safeguard in sight. He really will go down in history as the very worst PM of all time.

In the meantime the result becomes less relevant with each passing day as more and more experience bregret and demographics does the rest and the UK kicks its heels hoping that some magic route will emerge to lead us away from the chaos.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

In the meantime the result becomes less relevant with each passing day as more and more experience bregret and demographics does the rest and the UK kicks its heels hoping that some magic route will emerge to lead us away from the chaos.

You know what, I think that whatever happens, "all of us" on both sides will be disappointed and generally pissed off with the final outcome!

Les Miserable wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Do you have any figures on how many of those 4.9 million Brits abroad are living in social housing, drawing benefits from the host country or living off organised crime?

Here you are Les.....

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Thanks Moist, the link isn't working on my phone but I'll of course take your word for it. Out of interest, how much do you get a week

Nowhere near as much as you I'd hazard to guess.

Anyhow, I find it a waste of time now to try and debate anything on here as none of you join in!

Don't let it get you down too much Moist. Almost certainly, the UK will have to have access to the european market without tariffs. That will inevitably lead to a great deal of continuing inter migration. Despite the rhetoric of the leave campaign, coming out of the EU will change very little for the average person. one way or the other, apart from possibly worse working conditions on this side of the ocean channel, but that's by no means certain, and one can always tell them to stick their job.  We still have to earn a crust, and people will still migrate in and out., with the longer residential people having the most security. An actual proper war or some sort of new "cod war" waged on land would change matters of course, but that's unlikely in the next 5 years. After that, though, who knows ?

It will cost the UK just as much, if not more, and that was the biggest lie of all. Just like the supposed peace dividend we were supposed to receive after the wall came down. Never saw a penny., in fact the new enemy has cost Airstrip One even more.
When that reality starts to sink in over the next couple of years, along with the dispossessed's lot not getting any better, I would imagine there's going to be a few pissed off people scratching their heads. I shall just sit there all sage like and raise an eyebrow

And some of you wonder why most of us voted to leave the EU...

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Hey Les, do you expect the Uk to let us all charge on the pitch at the first opportunity now we're out ?
I don't think so, do you. Regulation of our lives will be as strong as ever, once we come under the Westminster parliament and their barons. No perceivable difference what so ever. In fact the British parliament has legislated in areas at footy matches that Europe hasn't. Far more standing goes on at European matches for instance.

I have to say, I'm a big fan of Gareth Bale since his Totters days, well apart from his present top knot, but I thought he was rather ill advised to take his child onto the pitch. It was never done in the old days, nor should it be done now. At the end of a promotion season, like Cocko did, maybe just about ok, but still not a good idea. All a bit Webby for my liking. It's a competitive gladiatorial thing, not a family singalong. And who can forget Jacko and that ludicrous display ? And it is a display in animal terms.
The climbing up to the box by Cash at Wimbledon was fine, fill yer boots, but keep kids out of it. What next ? wheeling your 95 year old grandad out ? A bit of decorum at the forum, please. Making it more of a soap opera than it need be.

Les Miserable wrote:

And some of you wonder why most of us voted to leave the EU...

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Why do you make such a fool of yourself?

UEFA has got nothing to do wih the EU (just in case you
didn't know ;-) ).

The uneducated may fall for it I suppose!

Typical Brexitet guff!!

OMG!!!!! Who let Turkey join UEFA!!!!!!!!

give me strength....whooooosh.

And when it comes to posting tripe about the EU, both before the referendum and even moreso since the majority spoke, you, Mr Lip Van Dipstick are streets ahead.

Now Steve Crowther quits too.

Who he? UKIP party chairman (I'd never heard of him either).

As they survey the devastation they have caused they're all off, aren't they!

Staggering.

Les Miserable wrote:

give me strength....whooooosh.

And when it comes to posting tripe about the EU, both before the referendum and even moreso since the majority spoke, you, Mr Lip Van Dipstick are streets ahead.

You are so funny. Lol

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Now Steve Crowther quits too.

Who he? UKIP party chairman (I'd never heard of him either).

As they survey the devastation they have caused they're all off, aren't they!

Staggering.

The only surprising thing is that the Party hasn't simply been dissolved already. Job done isn't it? Quite literally no point in existing any more as the one thing the party was looking to achieve, has been/will be achieved.

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Do you have any figures on how many of those 4.9 million Brits abroad are living in social housing, drawing benefits from the host country or living off organised crime?

Here you are Les.....

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Thanks Moist, the link isn't working on my phone but I'll of course take your word for it. Out of interest, how much do you get a week

Nowhere near as much as you I'd hazard to guess.

Anyhow, I find it a waste of time now to try and debate anything on here as none of you join in!

I think many people have come to the conclusion that the best course of action is to do something else and leave you and the other guy to drip away among yourselves.

For all the talk of shares bounceback, FTSE 250 has now lost £31.6bn since day before [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] vote.

What about the FTSE 100 ? At it's highest since last September.

Alright Melbs, let's keep the positivity to a minimum.

Sorry Les. BBC still on full scale project fear. Not seen the plagues of locusts or bubonic plague yet as they had promised.

Lord Melbury wrote:

What about the FTSE 100 ? At it's highest since last September.

Obviously why the Bank of England intervened today. Obviously why Osborne abandoned the austerity-led long term economic plan yesterday.

The difference between the 100 and the 250 is that the 100 is nearly all non-UK companies wheres as our companies are far better represented by the 250. It's the 250 which really counts.

In other news sterling is at a new 31 year low, Britain has lost our AAA credit rating, Standard Life has suspended trading in its property fund (as has Aviva and M&G). There's a full on crisis brewing.

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This isn't Project Fear it is happening. It is Project Fact.

Rather succinctly expressed by The Sun's economic editor Tom Newton-Dunn today: "So; banks' capital reserves to be spent, deficit to go back up, AAA credit rating lost. Six years of economics reversed in 12 days."

Pyrrhic. That's the word right enough.

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Charlie Wood wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Charlie Wood wrote:

Another pointless chart from Frannie. How many from each country are living outside their country but still in the EU. I know I'm not.

Google is your friend too.

Look it up.

I've got far better things to do with my time, I was just pointing out another of your misleading stats. You'd have done well working for the Remain campaign. (In the wider world, not just on here).

Maybe you should make an effort to better inform yourself (just saying like!).

Anyhow, 2 minutes of my life just for you Charlie.

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Sigh, I'm reluctant to get drawn in to your scab picking John but you should know that my opinions and decision over which way to vote in the recent referendum were not and would not have been influenced by any "research" I may or may not have conducted in the last few months, they have been formed over the last 30 years, particularly in the last 10 years when my industry (including ALL our European colleagues) fought hard to defeat an EU Commission Directive in the European Parliament (a pretty rare event I should think). That was not an end to it though, a few years later the new Commissioner responsible tried again and was defeated again and now it's back on the table (deliberately held back until after the Referendum though). A perfect example of democracy not in action and the mindset of the Commission.

I was and am fully aware of the short/medium term economic consequences of a leave vote, it impacts me particularly negatively but a price I personally prepared to pay for this country to regain it's primacy in the law making process. The future is unknown now but I have no reason to believe, in the fullness of time, the UK cannot thrive and prosper as a Sovereign nation. I'm also sure that your status and all those like you will not change. We can all live and work in pretty much every country in the world...if we can meet that countries requirements. My son teaches in Australia, a difficult process but ultimately obtainable, allowing him to fulfill his dream. I have retired to South Africa and am now a permanent resident of that country, I had to prove my financial independence to achieve that aim. In both cases I don't consider there's anything unreasonable about that.