Disqualification threat to England and Russia

VillageGreen wrote:

I expect a few England fans will be arested on their return to England and face justice, but i wonder if the Russian authorities will be arresting the Russian thugs on their return to Russia ?.

No they won't because the Russian thugs aren't being arrested in France. The issue here is that the French police are feckin weak. They've got more body armour than a medieval knight setting off for a marathon jousting session, and yet their  take on 'policing' is to stand back and watch orchestrated attacks from Russian thugs and then occasionally fire in another tear gas canister - from a safe distance of course -  not giving a fook as to who were the perpetrators, and who were the victims.

Interesting articles from the Guardian.

The head of Britain’s Euro 2016 policing operation has hit out at the Russian football fans behind the scenes of violence in Marseille – and vowed to help search for them.

Assistant chief constable Mark Roberts said the attacks were the most serious and coordinated he had seen in 10 years specialising in football violence. Roberts’ team’s prime mission had been to gather evidence against any violent England fans in France to stop them travelling in future.

But his spotters’ video evidence will now be handed to French authorities attempting to track down Russian hooligans who attacked their English rivals.

Britain's Euro 2016 police chief lambasts 'tooled up' Russian fans

The Russian sports minister has said some of its football fans had brought shame on the country, but that Saturday’s violence in Marseille before and after the match with England had nothing to do with its suitability to host the 2018 World Cup.

“There are Russian hooligans, of course, but I don’t think they are worse in Russia than elsewhere in central and eastern Europe,” said the Russian sports journalist Artur Petrosyan, who was at the game. He said he had arrived in Marseille on Wednesday when there were thousands of England fans in town but few Russians, and saw clashes between England fans and locals, suggesting it was England fans who initiated the atmosphere of violence.

Russian minister says violent fans brought shame on country

An expert on football hooliganism who witnessed violence involving England fans in Marseille on Thursday night has said heavy-handed police tactics contributed to the trouble.

Police used teargas, dogs and rubber bullets to break up a brawl between locals and England fans who had gathered at the Queen Victoria pub two days before England’s opening Euro 2016 game.

Geoff Pearson, a senior lecturer in criminal law at the University of Manchester, who was observing the fans as part of a research project, said he feared worse violence if French riot police continued to be deployed to “break heads”.

“I’ve absolutely no doubt the English police involved in helping the French police will be frustrated. I’ve seen incidents before in my research where intelligence officers from the English police have been advising their French counterparts and simply haven’t been listened to.”

French police tactics could lead to more Euro 2016 violence: expert

Loxley's back from having fought the Muslims for 10 years with his mate Dick. There's increasing discord in the green and pleasant land. The nation is divided. King John is raising taxation, extending austerity. Marian is as sexy as ever.

200 French troops landing at Hampton. Now. Bleddy Europeans.
Robin has just been told all the country's deer are the property of King John.

Lord Biro wrote:

Loxley's back from having fought the Muslims for 10 years with his mate Dick. There's increasing discord in the green and pleasant land. The nation is divided. King John is raising taxation, extending austerity. Marian is as sexy as ever.

But did Wobin turn Turk while in the Levant?

With more English fans expected to head to France for the Wales game (and more so now with what has happened in Marseille), do any of you believe there will be revenge attacks from English fans against Russian fans in Lille and Lens. The next flashpoint areas,
regardless of the threat that the team will be sent home.

There must be a high percentage of something kicking-off in the next few days with scores to settle.

I have heard that England fans have done this type of revenge thing in the distant past.

Les Miserable wrote:

Lord Biro wrote:

Loxley's back from having fought the Muslims for 10 years with his mate Dick. There's increasing discord in the green and pleasant land. The nation is divided. King John is raising taxation, extending austerity. Marian is as sexy as ever.

But did Wobin turn Turk while in the Levant?

No, but he turked Marion in Nottingham.

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Lord Biro wrote:

Loxley's back from having fought the Muslims for 10 years with his mate Dick. There's increasing discord in the green and pleasant land. The nation is divided. King John is raising taxation, extending austerity. Marian is as sexy as ever.

But did Wobin turn Turk while in the Levant?

No, but he turked Marion in Nottingham.

Are you talking about St George ? Shorely another ATD lie hijack.

Kate Blanchett has to be the best Marion since John Wayne.

Czarcasm wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

I expect a few England fans will be arested on their return to England and face justice, but i wonder if the Russian authorities will be arresting the Russian thugs on their return to Russia ?.

No they won't because the Russian thugs aren't being arrested in France. The issue here is that the French police are feckin weak. They've got more body armour than a medieval knight setting off for a marathon jousting session, and yet their  take on 'policing' is to stand back and watch orchestrated attacks from Russian thugs and then occasionally fire in another tear gas canister - from a safe distance of course -  not giving a fook as to who were the perpetrators, and who were the victims.

They would have more luck arresting the ruskies as they return to France, Spain, Ibiza, Majorca, Cyprus..... Never been to Russia but I've met literally thousands of Russians traveling round Europe.
It must be a fecker being an England player, you've not only got the rest of the world wanting you to fail but half of our own country. It's funny that there seems to be an anti English sentiment running through a lot of pro Europeans, blame it on the English, all of it. Very sad.

Just watching Sky and the 10 in Court today are 6 English 3 French and think she said 1 Austrian

Amsterdamage wrote:

It must be a fecker being an England player, you've not only got the rest of the world wanting you to fail but half of our own country. It's funny that there seems to be an anti English sentiment running through a lot of pro Europeans, blame it on the English, all of it. Very sad.

Dear oh dear. Now it's all the fault of the EU Remain supporters. You couldn't make it up.
As I have said before, I have no time for mass policing in this country as the G20 demo death showed quite clearly, and the French police are even worse. English football fans on the beer almost invented the hoolie culture, and there's still plenty of those types around. This tournament is no exception. A few other countries are just as bad, and the Russians have been awful for a long time. It's a far right thing in the main, and always has been. It suits the football culture. We all know what sort of people are involved.  It's not only, if at all, disaffected yuff. It's the 20 to 40 something men of hard working families.
The whole  anti French sentiment that this whole EU referendum /football thing is creating is embarrassing, and maybe even a little sinistre. Again, what ever happened o the Je suis Charlie and stronger shoulder to shoulder ? Economic crash, nationalism, protectionism on the rise, the English Nationalists about to take a slight detour to the left after the referendum. It's all planned out. Now where have I heard it all before.

People support what they believe in. I do not believe in the recent English football industry, which bears no relation to so many other English traits I like and admire. I don't even like the tippy tappy "continental" style that has taken over our game. I support the England manager who has always been a credit to the game. I support Argyle. I do not support the Brent version of Argyle.

Some people may be able to blindly support a flag, no matter what. I can't.

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ome astonishing stuff from a Russian MP equivalent here:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/13/moscow-football-official-to-violent-fans-well-done-lads-keep-it-up

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“I don’t see anything wrong with the fans fighting,” Igor Lebedev wrote on Twitter. “Quite the opposite, well done lads, keep it up!”

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Russian football official praises Russian thugs

It's the macho Putin's Russia, and there has been this sort of belicose talk and actions for years now..... it's the new black, in more ways than one. It's how a lot of countries could be if we're not careful. Trump has it in him.

Almost certainly some of their armed forces are involved in orchestration. Destabilising Europe is where it's at for the Russians, considering the Ukraine, and probably further afield. They must be delighted the English fans are up for drunken brawling.
They seem to be almost willing FIFA and UEFA to take action against them. I suppose there's a very small chance it's an overflow of internal Russian politics, but that's an outside bet.

Lordy, it's far simpler than that. Amster summed it up. Thugs love a ruck. Russian thugs take it to the next level by evidently training for it as if it were an actual military exercise. If you look on some of the more obscure tv channels there are quite a few documentaries flying around that give a pretty shocking insight into Russian hooliganism.

England were and are the benchmark by which every other nations thugs will want to test themselves.

I know all that Czarky, and I know how men can be, I am one, and a pretty red blooded one. But just try and tell the folk of the Balkans that the thugs at Partisan, Red Star Belgrade and other football clubs weren't asymptomatic of the horrors that followed down there.

Maybe you're one that thinks these sort of things are totally unrelated to society in general. That's fine, but I'm not. The 70s/80s thing in England was quite different, more of a change  in British society where age old and banned beating the bounds resurfaced and took root in football, due to easy travel for all and dare I say it, jobs, work, and a bit of money for all young men. This tournament and it's violence feels a bit different to me. I could be wrong. I hope I am.

Cant wait to see uefa throw them out........never happen mind.

Although the next group games are 40miles apart...........

Lord Biro wrote:

Amsterdamage wrote:

It must be a fecker being an England player, you've not only got the rest of the world wanting you to fail but half of our own country. It's funny that there seems to be an anti English sentiment running through a lot of pro Europeans, blame it on the English, all of it. Very sad.

Dear oh dear. Now it's all the fault of the EU Remain supporters. You couldn't make it up.
As I have said before, I have no time for mass policing in this country as the G20 demo death showed quite clearly, and the French police are even worse. English football fans on the beer almost invented the hoolie culture, and there's still plenty of those types around. This tournament is no exception. A few other countries are just as bad, and the Russians have been awful for a long time. It's a far right thing in the main, and always has been. It suits the football culture. We all know what sort of people are involved.  It's not only, if at all, disaffected yuff. It's the 20 to 40 something men of hard working families.
The whole  anti French sentiment that this whole EU referendum /football thing is creating is embarrassing, and maybe even a little sinistre. Again, what ever happened o the Je suis Charlie and stronger shoulder to shoulder ? Economic crash, nationalism, protectionism on the rise, the English Nationalists about to take a slight detour to the left after the referendum. It's all planned out. Now where have I heard it all before.

People support what they believe in. I do not believe in the recent English football industry, which bears no relation to so many other English traits I like and admire. I don't even like the tippy tappy "continental" style that has taken over our game. I support the England manager who has always been a credit to the game. I support Argyle. I do not support the Brent version of Argyle.

Some people may be able to blindly support a flag, no matter what. I can't.

Again missed my point by a mile and broadening the argument by a mile, I know a lot of remainers who hate the English football team I can't think of any outers that do, don't think Elias has pinned his colours to the mast but his comments are the sort I'm hearing from the remain camp down my local. Sport should be sport not allied to right left or any other broader political picture, as for the causes of the violence we all know what they are. I hate the FA and the prem and haven't followed them for years but put aside and follow the national footy and rugby tourneys. Probably makes me no better than Boris and akin to Farage but hey ho.

Im voting out bhey !!!!

Lord Biro wrote:

It's the macho Putin's Russia, and there has been this sort of belicose talk and actions for years now..... it's the new black, in more ways than one. It's how a lot of countries could be if we're not careful. Trump has it in him.

Almost certainly some of their armed forces are involved in orchestration. Destabilising Europe is where it's at for the Russians, considering the Ukraine, and probably further afield. They must be delighted the English fans are up for drunken brawling.
They seem to be almost willing FIFA and UEFA to take action against them. I suppose there's a very small chance it's an overflow of  internal Russian politics, but that's an outside bet.

The Russian thugs were well trained in fighting before hand, according to reports in the media.

They knew the English would be pissed as farts and they were easy targets for the Russian thugs.

If any Prem clubs draw Russian sides in the Champions League or Europa cup next season, it could see a payback scenario ?.

I hope to god there are no problems this coming week in Lens and Lille as i want to see England do well in this competition, but you just never know.

There is also concern here about Germany and Poland on Thursday.

Elias wrote:

Cant wait to see uefa throw them out........never happen mind.

Although the next group games are 40miles apart...........

As a punishment from UEFA for the trouble the Russian thugs caused in the stadium, award Saturday's game/points to England. That would teach Russia. Won't happen though.

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

There is also concern here about Germany and Poland on Thursday.

Yeah, this is another one of the flashpoints UEFA highlighted as a risk game.

VillageGreen wrote:

Elias wrote:

Cant wait to see uefa throw them out........never happen mind.

Although the next group games are 40miles apart...........

As a punishment from UEFA for the trouble the Russian thugs caused in the stadium, award Saturday's game/points to England. That would teach Russia. Won't happen though.

Euro 92 88 80
World cup 90 98

All tournaments where england have kicked off......tables turned my boy.

Elias wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

Elias wrote:

Cant wait to see uefa throw them out........never happen mind.

Although the next group games are 40miles apart...........

As a punishment from UEFA for the trouble the Russian thugs caused in the stadium, award Saturday's game/points to England. That would teach Russia. Won't happen though.

Euro 92 88 80
World cup 90 98

All tournaments where england have kicked off......tables turned my boy.

Russian thugs see themselves as Kremlin foot soliders.

The England fans in the town were drunken idiots, i agree, but the stadium trouble was all Russian and Russia has been warned by UEFA in the past about trouble within stadiums involving their fans.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/russian-fa-considering-response-to-severe-uefa-punishment-over-crowd-trouble-7851389.html.

I agree with you that the tables have turned and England's hooligan past does not help matters.