Brexit - Leave or Remain poll

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Are Dyson's hoovers (other vacuum cleaners are available) banned? I have no idea but if they are then it will be because he doesn't pay a minimum wage, sick pay, holiday pay, matermity pay, a pension or pay heed to health and safety legislation.

All that pesky EU red tape that protects workers from exploitation in the workplace.

Dyson represents a race to the bottom for workers if ever anybody did; he's a key mover in the on-going Bangladeshification of the UK.

No, it's because of an EU directive banning vacuum cleaners having motors over a certain wattage. I think it applies to food mixers as well.

Probably beyond Dyson's genius, then, to invent a vacuum cleaner of his that uses a lower wattage. One trick pony, like Tringy.  


Why he would move his manufacturing base so far away from his main markets is frankly difficult for me to understand. I just can't see a reason why he would do such a thing.  

What goes round, comes around. The  guy rightly exposed Hoover's bull shit many years ago. Since then, he's become a profit motivated pension pot worse than who he replaced, costing the "good old British housewife" a lot of dosh.

It's getting testy now. Sorry Franny but forgive me for not reading the daily express I think it's a rag and an insult to the intelligence. I am not represented by The Daily Express, I have no posters of Bojo or Farage on my walls, Hard to believe but I'm not represented or in any way similar to Dyson and don't even own one of his hoovers. We will never agree on a way forward over Europe but luckily you don't represent the British people and the vote looks like its going to be out, I can't wait.

So, what's going to happen on 21st June ?

Checking out the Daily Telegraph news on my phone whilst still tucked up in bed this morning, I see a Conservative donor has withdrawn support over Cameron's irresponsible EU campaign. He also has some mighty alarming things to say about EU plans for the British pension that industry. Worth a look.

Even the remain campaigners are highlighting the burden of immigration,
Former Labour prime minister Gordon Brown is calling for the EU to provide extra financial help to parts of the UK with high levels of immigration to help deal with the pressure on schools, hospitals, housing and other public services.
Source Beeb news.

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It's going to be a rough ride for the pound if we leave. Luckily, I'll be in the Eurzone.

Unbelievable that somebody who doesn't even live here appears so desperate for us to remain, or is it an ideological thing, not wanting the european experiment to fail.

Les Miserable wrote:

Unbelievable that somebody who doesn't even live here appears so desperate for us to remain, or is it an ideological thing, not wanting the european experiment to fail.

There is a lot wrong with the EU. It can be changed if we work together with other countries (don't forget a lot of them aren't happy too!).

I don't see how isolating ourselves will help us. This is the 21st century, not a time for xenophobes and racists!

I also don't see any answers from the Brexiters on the following points should we vote leave:

1/ How will you prevent the pound from falling? If it does fall, how long will it take to recover? How will you accomplish this?

2/ Will the UK break up (Scotland want to stay in the EU)? If so, will border controls be put in place?

3/ Will border controls be put in place between NI and the ROI? If so, will this bring back the troubles?

4/ If we want to trade with the EU, then we must agree to their rules (free movement of people?). What difference will that make as to what we have now?

5/ Should it all goes pear shaped after exiting, would you ask to rejoin the EU (probably being forced to adopt the euro at the same time)?

6/ How confident are you that all will be fine and the UK (or England) will prosper? What do you base this confidence on?

7/ What will happen to any foriegners (EU or other) currently living and working in the UK (all the migrants)? Will they be allowed to stay or will they be kickd out?

8/ Who will be allowed in or will immigration stop completely?

9/ Will the EU itself break up? Would this increase the propect of another european conflict?

10/ Will Mr Putin and Mr Trump be happy?

I'm still not sure which way to go.

I do have a Dyson though. Proper bourgeois, me.

Well, I will add one thing there Moist regarding the exchange rate.
When the Euro started, the exchange rate with sterling was 71p. For all of that time since, even including the so called euro emergency, the euro has out performed sterling substantially, and still does. Makes a mockery of all the experts on both sides of the debate. Obviously Europe aren't trading as  badly as Westminster would have us believe.
I am glad the UK stayed out of it though, and still am. Greece should have followed our example. They still have another chance in 2 or 3 years. to go back to the dracma but stay in Europe.

There are quite a few respected figures that fear if we opt to leave, it'll be the beginning of the end for the EU. Now I guess it is open to interpretation at what angle you look at that. One angle is to question why every other member state ( who ultimately only have their own interests at heart) wouldn't want Britain to leave.

It's a can of worms, foreshore.

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Unbelievable that somebody who doesn't even live here appears so desperate for us to remain, or is it an ideological thing, not wanting the european experiment to fail.

There is a lot wrong with the EU. It can be changed if we work together with other countries (don't forget a lot of them aren't happy too!).

I don't see how isolating ourselves will help us. This is the 21st century, not a time for xenophobes and racists!

I also don't see any answers from the Brexiters on the following points should we vote leave:

1/ How will you prevent the pound from falling? If it does fall, how long will it take to recover? How will you accomplish this?

2/ Will the UK break up (Scotland want to stay in the EU)? If so, will border controls be put in place?

3/ Will border controls be put in place between NI and the ROI? If so, will this bring back the troubles?

4/ If we want to trade with the EU, then we must agree to their rules (free movement of people?). What difference will that make as to what we have now?

5/ Should it all goes pear shaped after exiting, would you ask to rejoin the EU (probably being forced to adopt the euro at the same time)?

6/ How confident are you that all will be fine and the UK (or England) will prosper? What do you base this confidence on?

7/ What will happen to any foriegners (EU or other) currently living and working in the UK (all the migrants)? Will they be allowed to stay or will they be kickd out?

8/ Who will be allowed in or will immigration stop completely?

9/ Will the EU itself break up? Would this increase the propect of another european conflict?

10/ Will Mr Putin and Mr Trump be happy?

1.  What makes you so sure that it will fall?  If it does how will that affect your average Joe?

2.  'Kin hope so, build a huge wall between England and Jockland, maybe Trumpy could help.

3,  Why would it?  Have the troubles really gone away?  Northern Ireland is full of Loyalists and Republicans living together, or in the same Country anyway.

4.  Why must we, do other Countries that trade with the EU have to have free movement of people?

5.  No, we'll survive.

6.  Fairly confident after a short period of re-calibration. Optimism, history.

7.  I'd hope those fairly contributing could stay, those on the bum should be shown the door, and future immigrants should only be allowed in if they have the particular skills we need and a job offer in place.

8.  See 7,  with manageable numbers of genuine asylum seekers, not economic migrants.

9.  It's heading that way anyway, whether we leave or remain will make little difference to that outcome although a Brexit might enable us to avoid getting dragged into any future European handbags.

10.  Putin probably, so what.  Trump probably doesn't give a monkey's, if it wasn't for a few golf courses he wouldn't even know we existed.

So the US, China, and so on don't trade with the EU then.

Zackly, anyone would think we never achieved anything pre Europe, have the outers forgotten about our magnificent Empire? Cracks me up, Empire bad, Federal Europe good, repeat until you believe Mis, then apologise for slavery (but don't mention Eastern European gang masters).

Feck me their getting desperate now.
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Junckers warns that a Brexit vote could spell the end of civilisation as we know it.

I'll post it again!

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Another reason to leave. EU commission trying to over turn a British ruling.

For once we are backed by judges!

PS, I tried to edit what I posted but deleted it instead!

Amsterdamage wrote:

Feck me their getting desperate now.
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Junckers warns that a Brexit vote could spell the end of civilisation as we know it.

He's talking nonsense there. But I do believe rising nationalism, protectionism and austerity could spell authoritarian regimes  and another war of some sort. Which way Germany turns is the big one, not Brexit.

Civil unrest is the only thing that will change anything from the right leaning trend. A bloodless coup would be great but hardly ever happens. All great civilisations come to an end eventually when the public get fed up with watching the aristocrats swanning around feasting on larks tongues served on gold platters whilst they are fed by Iceland it will all kick off. As with Argyle under Brent sometimes it's better to go backwards before you start going forwards again.

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Unbelievable that somebody who doesn't even live here appears so desperate for us to remain, or is it an ideological thing, not wanting the european experiment to fail.

Will the EU itself break up? Would this increase the propect of another european conflict?

I don't think so. In fact I think the empire-building EU will, if anything, will be the root cause of any future conflict. Today's Russia must be be spitting feathers to see former members of the 'Warsaw Pact' like Bulgaria, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, Albania and Romania all being absorbed by the Brussels elite. When a nation invades another they immediately go all out to capture ports and airfields - much the same as did the Americans in Grenada and Russians did in Kosova when they captured Pristina Airport. Which brings me to the Crimea. What has the Crimea got that Putin and his generals what to keep their hands on? Could it be at least 3 military airfields, the dockyards and anchorage of the former Soviet Black Sea / Mediterranean Fleet at Sevastopol? You bet your arse it is!!! The possibility of the Ukraine eventually joining the EU could have seen those very airfields and harbours full of a potential enemies hardware.

Oh, and when the referendum has been completed, expect Frau Merkel to kick-start the dormant Deutscher militarism. Also, I'm lead to believe that Germany, having absorbed the Dutch army, has already shown a willingness to take overall command of EU land forces.

I earnestly hope that we ain't part of that sad affair when the missiles hit Berlin and Paris.

Vote leave.