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Even if you want JB to leave someone still has to buy the club.

This thread reminds me of the Airplane scene when everybody is queuing up to slap the hysterical woman. Sorry Franny.

tigertony wrote:

Even if you want JB to leave someone still has to buy the club.

Now that is actually quite funny tone, maybe there is a comedian in there somewhere

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Here it is again for those who missed it.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Here's a simple question:

You are in a boat. It is out on the oggin somewhere. Unexpectedly you see somebody, somebody whose background or reasons for being there you are completely unaware of, struggling in the water. Do you pull them into your boat or just leave them to drown?

Pull them into the boat of course. What's your point though?

It's a fairly obvious comparison to, or metaphor for, the refugee issue. These people need help. Now. Only a completely deranged, psychopathic person would not pull them out or at the very least try to. It isn't a matter of where they'll live in the future, how many places the local school has, whether the local hospital is busy or not. That all matters down the line but for the here and now they just get pulled into the boat. That's it. No more complicated than that.

What is the alternative? You just watch them drown. You have no idea who they are, what gender they are, or of race and religion, where they come from, what language they speak or even what their name is. But that don't matter do it. You're in the boat and they aren't so feck 'em. Basically you are quite prepared to be guilty of cold-blooded, deliberate murder.

Effectively those who don't want to lift a finger to help the refugees are adopting this position even though there's international agreements that refugees are assisted just like there's a code, not entirely sure if it is a law or not, of the sea where one vessel does everything it can to assist another that gets into trouble (Seadog'll know fore shore). Everything it can. Whatever it takes. Nothing held back. Why? Because one day that stricken vessel might be yours and it's just what you do. Unreservedly. Without even thinking about it.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Here it is again for those who missed it.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Here's a simple question:

You are in a boat. It is out on the oggin somewhere. Unexpectedly you see somebody, somebody whose background or reasons for being there you are completely unaware of, struggling in the water. Do you pull them into your boat or just leave them to drown?

Pull them into the boat of course. What's your point though?

It's a fairly obvious comparison to, or metaphor for, the refugee issue. These people need help. Now. Only a completely deranged, psychopathic person would not pull them out or at the very least try to. It isn't a matter of where they'll live in the future, how many places the local school has, whether the local hospital is busy or not. That all matters down the line but for the here and now they just get pulled into the boat. That's it. No more complicated than that.

What is the alternative? You just watch them drown. You have no idea who they are, what gender they are, or of race and religion, where they come from, what language they speak or even what their name is. But that don't matter do it. You're in the boat and they aren't so feck 'em. Basically you are quite prepared to be guilty of cold-blooded, deliberate murder.

Effectively those who don't want to lift a finger to help the refugees are adopting this position even though there's international agreements that refugees are assisted just like there's a code, not entirely sure if it is a law or not, of the sea where one vessel does everything it can to assist another that gets into trouble (Seadog'll know fore shore). Everything it can. Whatever it takes. Nothing held back. Why? Because one day that stricken vessel might be yours and it's just what you do. Unreservedly. Without even thinking about it.

Good grief, talk about going around the houses. What a long winded way of asking people if they would attempt to save a drowning human being. Of course 99.9% of people would.

A better question would've been to ask...'would you land them at the Barbican or Calais?

P.s.....when are you going to answer Ricklers question "How are the Syrian family you adopted settling in at Drakes Drum?"

This is now getting silly, but there's nothing like the sanctimonious claptrap of a bitter Marxist.

One for you then SFD, you've gone mountaineering and your mate, who's tethered to you, slips and is left hanging over the precipice. He's going to take you with him unless you cut the rope.

What do you reckon, sainthood or murder?

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

This is now getting silly, but there's nothing like the sanctimonious claptrap of a bitter Marxist.

One for you then SFD, you've gone mountaineering and your mate, who's tethered to you, slips and is left hanging over the precipice. He's going to take you with him unless you cut the rope.

What do you reckon, sainthood or murder?

If the tetheree was a white, middle aged, middle class male it'd be a no brainer.

Anyway drowning in the med is a long way from should we stay in Europe. I see you ignored my point earlier Franny, this question isn't just about immigration, not for all of us.

Your point that demographics has nothing to do with this?

That's plain nonsense.

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Zyph, Turkey will never be in the EU. They know they won't ever join and think it's laughable we are even considering it.

It will. Amid mounting criticism of her stance on migration into Germany, Merkel has offered to speed up Turkey's application for EU membership in return for cutting the flow of refugees across its borders.

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Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Here it is again for those who missed it.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Here's a simple question:

You are in a boat. It is out on the oggin somewhere. Unexpectedly you see somebody, somebody whose background or reasons for being there you are completely unaware of, struggling in the water. Do you pull them into your boat or just leave them to drown?

Pull them into the boat of course. What's your point though?

It's a fairly obvious comparison to, or metaphor for, the refugee issue. These people need help. Now.

Is there any reason why they should be in the sea? A map, compass and a bearing of nor'-nor'-east which will take them into Turkey, Azerbaijan, Georgia or Russia.

Of course if they're actually economic migrants then perhaps a boat would be useful.

An interesting few months to come i think.....

Anyone who thinks large scale economic migration will change with a vote to get out of the EU is cuckoo. The world has globalised, and there are too many people chasing too little decent work. People have always migrated. Governments find ways to ensure their favoured pirates find a way to import cheap labour wherever it is required. It's the rigged economic system, for the benefit of the few, foisted on us all with very little planning or regard for the consequences. But, hey, as long as the big boys keep making their profits and paying little to no tax, then what's the problem.

Hugh Midde wrote:

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Zyph, Turkey will never be in the EU. They know they won't ever join and think it's laughable we are even considering it.

It will. Amid mounting criticism of her stance on migration into Germany, Merkel has offered to speed up Turkey's application for EU membership      in return for cutting the flow of refugees across its borders.

Agree....plus them being the last line of defence in the east of NATO......and the Russian bear growling again.......in a funny way Putin could end up being Turkey's best friend.

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

This is now getting silly, but there's nothing like the sanctimonious claptrap of a bitter Marxist.

Sir Frank ? a marxist ? I don't think so. Maybe from your restricted view Rollo, stuck in the middle of the road. I think the twaffic is getting to you  
A socialist maybe. Earlier in these threads, Sir Frank was advocating the sacrifice of pensioners in favour of the younger generation, a well worn logic  commonly known as euthanasia. Hardly a Marxist principle, I'm sure you would agree. I know a few marxists and they certainly aren't bitter either. A happy bunch who just follow and promote their logic and know who they're competing with, and how to live and avoid the worst excesses of self serving badly planned economic dogma.
While we're on the subject of sacrifice, me being of the Pagan persuasion, I'm a dab hand at it apparently, according to our illustrious teachers, who never tell porkies. We always used to sacrifice the young, not the old. Did it day in, day out, so we did. So, how about it Frank ? we can't regurgitate into all those young beaks ?

Les Miserable wrote:

BoJo for Brexit

A coup for the outers.

I would say, going by previous posts, that for SFD the following beliefs would apply.

Education to be egalitarian, our history to be denied and rewritten, atheism, abolition of frontiers and borders, open immigration, preference to understanding of crime rather than punishment, social and cultural revolution.

That's a Marxist in my book.

Oh change the record Rollo, what is it with people's obsession of classification of people? Does it matter whether someone is capitalist, Communist, Buddhist or Christian? Do any of those tags validate or weaken an argument that any of those class (thought I'd use a term you'd understand) make? Do you see yourself as a certain type of person that fits into a neat classification therefore you can safely disregard the opinion of anyone in any of the other boxes?
Tired, dated and lethargic reasoning, you could do better.

Amsterdamage wrote:

Will the two million polish workers be allowed to vote? I bet they will.

Only if they have applied for and received British Citizenship.

Few have, the Poles are not stupid, they get to both have the cake and eat it.

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Don't we get some of that back?


Best we start making something to sell then.


We can stop them now! We control our borders. How many refugees have actually entered the UK? I assume you are referencing Turkey? It won't happen.


Might but I very much doubt it. German people for one would not accept it (therefore the German goverment wouldn't). You should focus your efforts here and force change from within.


Pity we don't eat half the fish ourselves. Most of the shellfish goes to France and Spain. Anyhow, less fishing is good for the depleting fish stocks.


Who will bail us out when it all goes pear shaped after the exit?

Perhaps the odd free trade agreement with the likes of the US, Japan, Canada, Australia, the EU has negotiated just one in 60 years, Korea.

How about TTIP?

Better the devil you know, so better to stay in.

Do you really trust people like Farage or Johnson to get things right?[/quote]

You're such a div Ludwig.

The £11 billion is our net contribution.

The UK manufacturing sector is the fastest growing of the major EU economies.

The issue is about three years from now when the rapefugees have EU citizenship, then they will be on their way like rats up an aqueduct.

Neither the German nor any other parliament will get a vote on TTIP.

Coastal sea angling is a huge industry which the EU is about to kill off costing thousands of jobs.

What about TTIP? We stay in the EU it's a given.

Why do you Pro EUSSR muppets never come up with one decent verifiable and quantifiable reason to stay in, all you ever talk about is the huge problems of leaving then you can never be specific about what they might be or how much they might cost, always just scaredy cat nonsense. I heard some stupid woman on the radio today saying EU countries would no longer supply us with info on suspected terrorists, what utter sh1t, does the mad cow think that currently the EU countries do not share terrorist info with the US, Australia, the African countries, India, South America or the rest of the world which does not pay £11 billion a year for a membership card to the EUSSR?

The scaredy cat play is all they have got and I think they have been sussed, what happened with the Sweaties will have wised up an awful lot of people.

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

So, if you are all so interested in the EU, how corrupt and nasty it is, then petition your Euro MP.

How many of you can (without looking it up - be honest) name your Euro MP????

I haven't met one person over here who knows who our local Euro MP is (me included).

The reason the EU politicians etc get an easy ride is because not enough people are really that interested.

You don't have a local MEP, I can see how much attention you were paying.

The South West region has 2 Kippers, 2 Tories, a lab and a Greeny but there is no point asking them to do anything because they belong to parliament which has no power, cannot initiate legislation and is merely a rubber stamp for the edicts handed down by the un-elected EU Commission.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Please don't take any of what I am about to say personally it doesn't refer to yourself particularly but to your generation.

And it is about time you shut the feck up.

Yes, shut the fook up everybody, Franny is going to tell you all what you should think and do.

Fascist tw@!

Les Miserable wrote:

Certainly gives the out campaign a better chance of winning imo, and as you say, the infighting amongst the Tory party is going to be very interesting. Shit or bust for Dave methinks, lose the referendum and he's a dead man walking.

Do you think so Mis? I missed his coming out due to working like a tw@ from 6am Sunday to falling into a hotel room pissed as a wassname at 3am this morning. i listened to some chat on the radio driving home earlier and that confirmed a couple of things for me, firstly BoJo is real Marmite and secondly the forthcoming split in the Tory Party is becoming to story distracting from the real issues of Brexit.

Could you guys decide whether I am a marxist or a fascist, please? It's hard to keep up with expectations.

There has been the odd travesty posted and attributed to me though.

I have not advocated euthanisia at all. What I have done is suggest that the balance of power rests at the top and not the bottom of the age spectrum and the old fogeys at the top ain't about to let that change. Until it does our youngsters will continue to get royally shafted. I think that's a straight up abuse of a power and privilege denied to the youngsters themselves. Obviously those enjoying the fruits of said advantages neither agree or like it being pointed out. C'est la vie. I can live with that.

As well as which I most certainly have not advocated a re-writing of history - although the awareness of it in some quarters seems very limited.

I do try to communicate clearly. If you make the tiniest of efforts to actually read what I types as opposed to forcing your own spin onto it keeping up ought not be that difficult and you should be able to manage it. Unless you're feckin dense as feck.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Certainly gives the out campaign a better chance of winning imo, and as you say, the infighting amongst the Tory party is going to be very interesting. Shit or bust for Dave methinks, lose the referendum and he's a dead man walking.

Do you think so Mis? I missed his coming out due to working like a tw@ from 6am Sunday to falling into a hotel room pissed as a wassname at 3am this morning. i listened to some chat on the radio driving home earlier and that confirmed a couple of things for me, firstly BoJo is real Marmite and secondly the forthcoming split in the Tory Party is becoming to story distracting from the real issues of Brexit.

He defo raises the profile of the Brexit brigade, I feel his perceived buffoonery is quite attractive to many and imo he'll win more votes than he'll cost. The danger is, as you rightly say, the Tories exploding into all out civil war and distracting attention from the referendum campaign. The Brexiters need to come together under one organisation, it's all a bit splintered atm.