Mass Net Immigration.....Again.

FY 310 wrote:

Sir John Hawkins wrote:

I'll tell you what. I'm not your son, nor your friend either, should you use that parlance.

Why so caustic ? Is it my signature that offends ?  

Sir John is not happy with the way you speak or write to him. He is a Knight of the Realm, or is it Knight of the Britannia ... Either way you must show some ate-e-ket and doff the old forlock when you pass him. Go and buy Debretts (thats a book not a coffee shop or restaurant) that explains that ate-e-ket rubbish.

Rickler wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

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LOl..  If a massive wave of refugees was good for the economy...  Why was not the immediate  importation of a few hundred thousand displaced people not suggested as a cure for economic woes?

Because it's liberal academic bullshit.

Educated wankers.

Oh I dunno about that. Nobody has taken anything they said to task at all.

If the facts disappoint a point then ignore them and pour out the abuse. Much easier that way.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Oh I dunno about that. Nobody has taken anything they said to task at all.

If the facts disappoint a point then ignore them and pour out the abuse. Much easier that way.

Go on then I'll have a little go. Germany has a falling population, they need more young workers to look after their ageing workforce, we on the other hand have a rising population (source the guardian) Britain’s population grew by 491,000 in the year to mid-2014 to nearly 64.6 million, with net migration accounting for 53% of the rise and births 46%. Add into that equation a lack of affordable housing, schools bursting at the seams and pressure on the health service and public services from cuts whilst their production needs to rise to accomadation the extra people. Don't forget that over half of our population growth already comes from immigration. Germany is talking of 500,000 migrants a year, that is two cities the size of Plymouth full a year, think about it. We already took about a Plymouth sized city in immigrants last year but I haven't seen many new cities being built. Sherford took 25 years of planning and arguing and its only 8000 homes. My eldest boy is struggling to buy his first house at the moment, higher levels of immigration will make it harder for him and my next boy, call me a selfish barstad if you want but I think until we have a proper plan in place concerning how and where we home these new people I don't think we're in a position to take many more.

"Higher levels of immigration...". There you go again focussing only on the demand side of the supply and demand equation.

There's been failure in the housing market for decades - pretty much ever since Maggie made building council houses quasi-illegal. It goes deeper than that though. Look at how many headlines scream out of the press about rising house prices as though they were a good thing. You must have heard people say "my house is worth £X but I only paid £Y for it" as though it was money in their pocket. This is a direct result of government policy not to build houses every bit as much, and maybe more than, the impact of immigration.

Housing again: There is an estimated 610,000 empty homes in England alone. A family of 4 in each and 2.5m (!) extra people (wherever they came from) could be housed. 200,000 of those homes have been empty for 6 months or more. Just fill them and it's nearly £1m people housed. Not a brick needs to be laid.

Schools? At secondary level in Plymouth relatively recently both Southway and Parkside have closed meaning there's 2000 or so fewer school places in the city than there once was. This is a direct result of local government policy not to keep the schools open every bit as much, and maybe more than, the impact of immigration.

Hospitals? Plymouth used to have 2 A&E options. Now there is only one. Cottage hospitals are closing all the time - particularly in rural areas.This is a direct result of local government policy not to keep wards open every bit as much, and maybe more than, the impact of immigration.

Hospitals again: today 10 local Health Trusts have complained that they are unable to recruit the nursing staff they need for the coming winter. Quite simply there's too few "British" nurses and we need to import them but government rules mean that we can't. Why have we not trained enough nurses of our own? Another direct result of government policy not to train enough every bit as much, and maybe more than, the impact of immigration.

Hospitals again: 11% of all staff and 26% (!) of all doctors in the NHS are non-British - how much money does stealing 26% of our doctors from abroad save the country? (And what is the negative impact on the countries from where they are stolen?) Remove the immigrants from the NHS and the whole caboodle comes crashing down for all of us.

Demographics: The average (median) age in the UK is now 40 (in 1974 it was 34) and it is rising. Around 18% of the population is over 65 (in 1974 it was 14%) and that proportion is growing all the time. Apart from who might be able to provide the ever-increasing care needs of our elderly population who, exactly, is going to do any of the work needed to keep the wider economy going which in turn raises the taxes that pay for... well... everything? Where is the entrepreurial vigour needed to start new businesses going to come from? Where is all the tech savvy going to come from?

Every immigrant that comes here represents an investment in the cost of their birth (estimated at an average of $10,000 per delivery in the USA) and it costs our government around £5k/yr to educate a child in a state school (far more if you go private, obviously). There is now a legal rquirement to stay at school until 18. That's 13 years in total. That's £65,000 per kid. This investment in the person is not made by the state, not our state anyway, regarding immigrants. Immigrants don't represent a burden; they represent a gift.

The question is not one of "how can we cope with them?" but rather "how can we cope without them?"

600k empty houses wtf !!!! Where ????
Manyhouses thought have one occupant with 2+ bedrooms though maybe council insist tenant take kodgers.....

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

"Higher levels of immigration...". There you go again focussing only on the demand side of the supply and demand equation.

There's been failure in the housing market for decades - pretty much ever since Maggie made building council houses quasi-illegal. It goes deeper than that though. Look at how many headlines scream out of the press about rising house prices as though they were a good thing. You must have heard people say "my house is worth £X but I only paid £Y for it" as though it was money in their pocket. This is a direct result of government policy not to build houses every bit as much, and maybe more than, the impact of immigration.

Housing again: There is an estimated 610,000 empty homes in England alone. A family of 4 in each and 2.5m (!) extra people (wherever they came from) could be housed. 200,000 of those homes have been empty for 6 months or more. Just fill them and it's nearly £1m people housed. Not a brick needs to be laid.

Schools? At secondary level in Plymouth relatively recently both Southway and Parkside have closed meaning there's 2000 or so fewer school places in the city than there once was. This is a direct result of local government policy not to keep the schools open every bit as much, and maybe more than, the impact of immigration.

Hospitals? Plymouth used to have 2 A&E options. Now there is only one. Cottage hospitals are closing all the time - particularly in rural areas.This is a direct result of local government policy not to keep wards open every bit as much, and maybe more than, the impact of immigration.

Hospitals again: today 10 local Health Trusts have complained that they are unable to recruit the nursing staff they need for the coming winter. Quite simply there's too few "British" nurses and we need to import them but government rules mean that we can't. Why have we not trained enough nurses of our own? Another direct result of government policy not to train enough every bit as much, and maybe more than, the impact of immigration.

Hospitals again: 11% of all staff and 26% (!) of all doctors in the NHS are non-British - how much money does stealing 26% of our doctors from abroad save the country? (And what is the negative impact on the countries from where they are stolen?) Remove the immigrants from the NHS and the whole caboodle comes crashing down for all of us.

Demographics: The average (median) age in the UK is now 40 (in 1974 it was 34) and it is rising. Around 18% of the population is over 65 (in 1974 it was 14%) and that proportion is growing all the time. Apart from who might be able to provide the ever-increasing care needs of our elderly population who, exactly, is going to do any of the work needed to keep the wider economy going which in turn raises the taxes that pay for... well... everything? Where is the entrepreurial vigour needed to start new businesses going to come from? Where is all the tech savvy going to come from?

Every immigrant that comes here represents an investment in the cost of their birth (estimated at an average of $10,000 per delivery in the USA) and it costs our government around £5k/yr to educate a child in a state school (far more if you go private, obviously). There is now a legal rquirement to stay at school until 18. That's 13 years in total. That's £65,000 per kid. This investment in the person is not made by the state, not our state anyway, regarding immigrants. Immigrants don't represent a burden; they represent a gift.

The question is not one of "how can we cope with them?" but rather "how can we cope without them?"

All that... and yet common sense tells me it all means nothing.

The refugee problem is a disaster. Nothing less.

Elias wrote:

600k empty houses wtf !!!! Where ????
Manyhouses thought have one occupant with 2+ bedrooms though maybe council insist tenant take kodgers.....

Yeah... Well, wherever they are, just take them from their rightful owners and give them to refugees.

Franny espousing Corbyn fruitcake politics yet again.
To quote the late great Maggie, "the trouble with Socialism is sooner or later you run out of other people's money".

Elias wrote:

600k empty houses wtf !!!! Where ????
Manyhouses thought have one occupant with 2+ bedrooms though maybe council insist tenant take kodgers.....

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Sorry for bringing hard facts into the general ignorant prejudice that passes as "debate" around here.

You say whatever you want sfd, must say im shocked at 'figures' considering so many homeless or at least on waiting lists for housing. Funnily enough no media comment on those on housing lists in recent refugee crisis wonder why ?

Beats the shit out of me.

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Actually it doesn't.

It's a core propaganda tool: divide and conquer.

Scapegoat anybody you like: immigrants, disabled people (not normal are they according to IDS), anybody on benefits, public sector workers... Anybody. The more the better.

And none of them are the cause of the problem.

Cuz, you're wasting your time.with statistics. It's a statistical fact that people only believe what they want to believe.
Their blood is up and they want to have a pop in the time honoured tradition. And part of that tradition is to only have a pop at those they think they can 'chin'. They aren't so robust as soon as a big boy moves into view.
The Conservative and Unionist party have only been in power for a few months, and they are already effecting their age old Irish distaste. They're engineering a gunboat blockade on any republicans taking part in any Stormont government, as we speak. They just love a good ruck. Back to the future, yet again.

That's yer housing sorted then. [snigger]
Now find us the vacant primary school places & under used GP surgeries & dentists to go with the "vacant housing".

Three empty houses in my old street of last week. Four, now I've moved to the estate. I guess they are praying for  an influx of  students no doubt. Usually half get filled, half don't.
There were so many empty properties going to ruin recently, the council were forced to take them over and make them habitable.. Little published, but it's been happening. Look how long properties have been for sale in the new Devonport private regenerations. I would say half a million countrywide is an understatement.

You still haven't grasped the concept of "supply and demand equation", have you?

"Efficiency savings", "do more with less", "difficult decisions"... All built on the "next Greece", "Gordon Brown crashed the economy" and "maxed-out credit card" lies.

None of this is about immigrants. It is about destroying the entire welfare state, NHS, BBC, local government so that it can be sold off as "not up to it" or "requiring too much investment".

600,000 empty houses, house price inflation, homelessness, unemployment are all essential tools in the kit. As are closed doctor's surgeries, cottage hospitals, care homes, libraries etc.

We would have loads of all of it if the government decided to do it. But they don't. Instead they parrot "there is no alternative" when there is. Or at least there could be if they wanted there to be one.

Well knock me down with a feather. No mention of the pension debacle that the dear old civil service, (police, teachers, NHS, defence etc, etc). try their hardest not to talk about.

They are retiring younger than ever.

The pay offs followed by the double dipping where they are then re employed, the early retirements usually via the bad back syndrome, the three day week but get paid for five (only don't mention it as its our little secret), the self assessed sickness benefit. I could go on ad nauseum.

Socialists never have understood the concept of living within your means. The sneer and snigger at wealth and the private sector yet are the biggest snobs out there.

zyph wrote:

Ask the Native Americans about migrating Europeans.......that's before we called it Cowboys & Indians and played it in the playground at school.......guess who the baddies were in those days.

Plus the millions of buffalo westerners killed.....which where the life source of the Natives for food ,clothing and wealth etc........then the compounding of them into reservations so we could stop them claiming their rightful inheritence of the lands that where steamrollered over in search of the promised land by the Pacific.......etc,etc,etc.

European Americans as I like to call them will not have none of it and will carry on explaining how great they really are and how great the USA is, how great it was to break away in a revolution against the beastly British and how it is their constitutional right to bear arms. "Who f...ing cares".

Having said that, had I the money, I would move to the USA.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

600,000 empty houses, house price inflation, homelessness, unemployment are all essential tools in the kit. As are closed doctor's surgeries, cottage hospitals, care homes, libraries etc.

Who knows who you are talking to here? Or even what argument you are making?

But whatever it is.. You are cooking the books...

Only 216,050 houses are empty for over six months. This figure would be all that would be available for your great giveaway!

Nice try...

Rickler wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

600,000 empty houses,  house price inflation, homelessness, unemployment are all essential tools in the kit. As are closed doctor's surgeries, cottage hospitals, care homes, libraries etc.

Who knows  who you are talking to here?  Or even what argument you are making?

But whatever it is.. You are cooking the books...

Only 216,050 houses are empty for over six months.  This figure would be all that would be available for  your great giveaway!

Nice try...

Franny is your typical bug up his ass, socialist, give away stuff that people have worked for kind of cove.

Two of those empties belong to me, many thousands of others are empty because other landlords like me have got sick and tired of feck wit tenants and over regulation of the market. It suits me to leave them empty, pay the council tax and wait for price to rise, it's the same as any other asset, ir belongs to me, I fecking worked and paid for it, WTF has it got to do with anybody else?

Large numbers of empty properties are in shiite tip Northern shiite holes, these newcomers don't want to live in Middlesboro, Hartlepool, Burnley or even Lesbos, they want Munich or London, all you would get filling up most of the empties is a massive increase in the dependency load, which is what mass immigration is all about, costs, costs and more costs.

ps. I have got as couple of cars which are not currently on the road, do I have to give them up to one of these illegal economic migrants as well? What about Franny's pension pot, shouldn't that be shared out among our new found friends as well?

I see the French police are searching for daesh operatives currently suspected to be in Calais waiting to sneak in to the UK to start blowing people up.

On the BBC news it was reported the daesh have produced and used 'crude'  chemical weapons. Creating a powder form of mustard agents.

How long I wonder until daesh use such a  'crude' chemical weapon in Europe or other major Western city.

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Imagine if the millions of young men running away from a few thousand nutters had the will to get together and return to defend their countries, IS would be wiped out in a matter of minutes. Perhaps IS isn't the primary cause of this huge exodus into Europe? They've certainly provided a window of opportunity for those seeking to improve their lot.