The New Plymouth Argyle manager should be.....

I wouldn't be disappointed with Cocko. He loves the area and the club, he knows the lower leagues and he has done well in his short time as a coach. He was a very good pro who got the maximum out of his playing ability.

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Re: Cocko's the new favourite at Skybet.
X Isle
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Sat May 30, 2015 7:46 am 
Certainly some impetus building around Cocko, it'd be a brave choice but y'know what, it could just work.

I would worry about family in Sheffield mind, sounds all a bit too familiar

tigertony wrote:

ejh wrote:

Why do people want Cocko but are appalled at the thought of Wotton?

Spot on ejh.
I read ''Cocko is all badged-up'' ... and what? Ive got a full driving licence but I'm no F1 driver. We do NOT want or need a first timer - not in a million years. The club has one aim surely which is ''to get out of this dog sheite league'' so there is no spare time to blood a newcomer.

More qualified than Wotton thou and has more experience coaching first team players while learning under sturrock as his assistant and phil brown as his coaching guru.

why do folk want wotton?

Wotten was cheap and it kept the fans happy, that the way Brent play's it.

I'd prefer Cocko to Wotton

If not Holloway, Cocko would be ok.

nzgreen wrote:

If not Holloway, Cocko would be ok.

Yes i think Cocko would be a good shout, would prefer Holloway and a new owner but i know thats unlikely.

Paul Tisdale has gone from 33/1 to 16/1 overnight.

This morning's odds:

Graham Coughlan 7/2
Ian Holloway 4/1
Paul Wotton 5/1
Darren Ferguson 8/1
Nigel Clough 8/1
Sean McCarthy 8/1
Neil Warnock 10/1
Lee Clark 12/1
Keith Hill 12/1
Kevin Blackwell 12/1
James Beattie 12/1
Dave Hockaday 12/1
Paul Tisdale 16/1
Warren Feeney - 16/1
Gary Johnson 16/1
Martin Allen 16/1
Darrell Clarke 20/1
John Ward 20/1
Dennis Wise 22/1
Graham Westley 22/1
Sean O'Driscoll 22/1
Nigel Adkins 25/1
Paul Mariner 33/1
Steve McCall 33/1
Carl Fletcher 33/1
Alan Curbishley 33/1

Angry wrote:

tigertony wrote:

ejh wrote:

Why do people want Cocko but are appalled at the thought of Wotton?

Spot on ejh.
I read ''Cocko is all badged-up'' ... and what? Ive got a full driving licence but I'm no F1 driver. We do NOT want or need a first timer - not in a million years. The club has one aim surely which is ''to get out of this dog sheite league'' so there is no spare time to blood a newcomer.

More qualified than Wotton thou and has more experience coaching first team players while learning under sturrock as his assistant and phil brown as his coaching guru.

why do folk want wotton?

I don't 'want' Wotton per se, don't understand the backlash against him though. None of us really know if he'd make a successful manager or not, or Cocko for that matter.

As it stands the two blokes are former players, both very decorated, both have done their coaching badges and have first team coaching experience at L2 level. Their credentials are pretty much neck and neck, yet one inspires a shudder and smacks of penny pinching among supporters, and the other is the bookies favourite. WTF?

As for Cocko working under amazing managers like Sturrock and Phil Brown, we could probably hire either of them if we put our minds to it. However if spending considerable time around managerial geniuses puts candidates at an advantage, I bet Nigel Clough and Darren Ferguson will win the 'just look who I learned from' contest.

if its cocko, hope they appoint a dof

ejh wrote:

Angry wrote:

tigertony wrote:

ejh wrote:

Why do people want Cocko but are appalled at the thought of Wotton?

Spot on ejh.
I read ''Cocko is all badged-up'' ... and what? Ive got a full driving licence but I'm no F1 driver. We do NOT want or need a first timer - not in a million years. The club has one aim surely which is ''to get out of this dog sheite league'' so there is no spare time to blood a newcomer.

More qualified than Wotton thou and has more experience coaching first team players while learning under sturrock as his assistant and phil brown as his coaching guru.

why do folk want wotton?

I don't 'want' Wotton per se, don't understand the backlash against him though. None of us really know if he'd make a successful manager or not, or Cocko for that matter.

As it stands the two blokes are former players, both very decorated, both have done their coaching badges and have first team coaching experience at L2 level. Their credentials are pretty much neck and neck, yet one inspires a shudder and smacks of penny pinching among supporters, and the other is the bookies favourite. WTF?
As for Cocko working under amazing managers like Sturrock and Phil Brown, we could probably hire either of them if we put our minds to it. However if spending considerable time around managerial geniuses puts candidates at an advantage, I bet Nigel Clough and Darren Ferguson will win the 'just look who I learned from' contest.

I'm with you ejh. I can't get my head around this ''badges'' thing. So what??? I got a first aid badge from the cubs before I was thrown out for peeking in the girl guides shower room but would you want me operating on you? We must progress from day 1 of the new appointment and from the list I would be happy with Ferguson (Dad or son ) Blackwell or Adkins. I do suspect there are others not mentioned on the list including some from the ''less well known'' Lge 1 clubs who see potential.
I also don't buy this ''we couldn't afford him'' when discussing managers out of work (Megson as an example) They are out of work and need to rebuild their reputation and standing in footy. Oh well its all fun and keeps these boards moving for a few more weeks.
''Where's 'Arry these days?''

ejh wrote:

Angry wrote:

tigertony wrote:

ejh wrote:

Why do people want Cocko but are appalled at the thought of Wotton?

Spot on ejh.
I read ''Cocko is all badged-up'' ... and what? Ive got a full driving licence but I'm no F1 driver. We do NOT want or need a first timer - not in a million years. The club has one aim surely which is ''to get out of this dog sheite league'' so there is no spare time to blood a newcomer.

More qualified than Wotton thou and has more experience coaching first team players while learning under sturrock as his assistant and phil brown as his coaching guru.

why do folk want wotton?

I don't 'want' Wotton per se, don't understand the backlash against him though. None of us really know if he'd make a successful manager or not, or Cocko for that matter.

As it stands the two blokes are former players, both very decorated, both have done their coaching badges and have first team coaching experience at L2 level. Their credentials are pretty much neck and neck, yet one inspires a shudder and smacks of penny pinching among supporters, and the other is the bookies favourite. WTF?

As for Cocko working under amazing managers like Sturrock and Phil Brown, we could probably hire either of them if we put our minds to it. However if spending considerable time around managerial geniuses puts candidates at an advantage, I bet Nigel Clough and Darren Ferguson will win the 'just look who I learned from' contest.

Coughlan has far more experience, knowledge and higher coachiNg creds compared to wotton who only has 1 years experience coaching first team players.

Doubt he would come here but what about Mick mccarthy ?

How would the coaching dynamic work if Cocko came in over Wott's head as his new boss. I don't imagine he'd be best pleased.

TBH I can't see anybody coming in who will improve on Sheridan's performance unless there's a major change of stance from the owner and his "board".

Cocko would be an interesting, bold and brave choice.

He's certainly served his apprenticeship, and under two very experienced Managers in Sturrock and Brown. For me, the 'he lacks managerial experience' argument is a false flag - he's been in football management for the past 5 years, albeit not as a number one, and must have picked up a huge amount of knowledge and experience from his two mentors. One thing he wouldn't lack is goodwill from the fans - although Wotton might not be so chuffed to see Coughlan installed as his new boss.

And he'd certainly want to be back here. He's made it plain on numerous occasions how highly he regards the club.

The name John Ward sprung out at me and i wonder if Argyle will approach him again, seeing was he was going to come here as DoF sometime back.

VillageGreen wrote:

The name John Ward sprung out at me and i wonder if Argyle will approach him again, seeing was he was going to come here as DoF sometime back.

what has he done since? last i heard he got the sack from bristol rovers for taking them down.

Angry wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

The name John Ward sprung out at me and i wonder if Argyle will approach him again, seeing was he was going to come here as DoF sometime back.

what has he done since? last i heard he got the sack from bristol rovers for taking them down.

Bristol Rovers brought in as manager Ward's assistant [Darrell Clarke,i believe] in March of the season in which they were relegated to the Conference and Ward became D o F-Rovers were mid table at the time and in no apparent danger. Ward was sacked as D of F at the end of the season, not sure what he's doing now. I always thought he was a pretty good manager but I don't think he would be a good appointment for Argyle at this moment-need something a bit fresher rather than recycling an old manager.

Angry wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

The name John Ward sprung out at me and i wonder if Argyle will approach him again, seeing was he was going to come here as DoF sometime back.

what has he done since? last i heard he got the sack from bristol rovers for taking them down.

True, but knowing Brent, he may think other wise.

Looking on the forums, there is a lot of support for the likes of Holloway, a Wotton/Warnock combi or a Warnock/ Cocko combi.

Aside from Holloway, the other two are a huge risk and gamble.

People say that we could not afford Tisdale, but if Argyle were to make an approach, i bet Tisdale would be interested in talking. I mean, he has not yet said he would not be interested.

On BBC Spotlight last night, it was said Kevin Blackwell is the current favourite to get the job. Now that is a prediction and a half or BBC Spotlight know something.

In the not so far off future, we should know who the lucky person is and welcome them with open arms.

tigertony wrote:

ejh wrote:

Angry wrote:

tigertony wrote:

ejh wrote:

Why do people want Cocko but are appalled at the thought of Wotton?

Spot on ejh.
I read ''Cocko is all badged-up'' ... and what? Ive got a full driving licence but I'm no F1 driver. We do NOT want or need a first timer - not in a million years. The club has one aim surely which is ''to get out of this dog sheite league'' so there is no spare time to blood a newcomer.

More qualified than Wotton thou and has more experience coaching first team players while learning under sturrock as his assistant and phil brown as his coaching guru.

why do folk want wotton?

I don't 'want' Wotton per se, don't understand the backlash against him though. None of us really know if he'd make a successful manager or not, or Cocko for that matter.

As it stands the two blokes are former players, both very decorated, both have done their coaching badges and have first team coaching experience at L2 level. Their credentials are pretty much neck and neck, yet one inspires a shudder and smacks of penny pinching among supporters, and the other is the bookies favourite. WTF?
As for Cocko working under amazing managers like Sturrock and Phil Brown, we could probably hire either of them if we put our minds to it. However if spending considerable time around managerial geniuses puts candidates at an advantage, I bet Nigel Clough and Darren Ferguson will win the 'just look who I learned from' contest.

I'm with you ejh. I can't get my head around this ''badges'' thing. So what??? I got a first aid badge from the cubs before I was thrown out for peeking in the girl guides shower room but would you want me operating on you? We must progress from day 1 of the new appointment and from the list I would be happy with Ferguson (Dad or son ) Blackwell or Adkins. I do suspect there are others not mentioned on the list including some from the ''less well known'' Lge 1 clubs who see potential.
I also don't buy this ''we couldn't afford him'' when discussing managers out of work (Megson as an example) They are out of work and need to rebuild their reputation and standing in footy. Oh well its all fun and keeps these boards moving for a few more weeks.
''Where's 'Arry these days?''

Funny you mention that.

At the Wycombe home leg, someone said that Harry and a friend with cash were looking at buying Argyle. Pure speculation of course and a rumour it is, but it throws in another scenario.

VillageGreen wrote:

Funny you mention that.
At the Wycombe home leg, someone said that Harry and a friend with cash were looking at buying Argyle. Pure speculation of course and a rumour it is, but it throws in another scenario.

That rumour has been doing the rounds for quite some time.

Still Coughlan.

Paven wrote:

Still Coughlan.

Oh no, please no. Good former player and all, but starting your managerial career at Argyle is a step too hot to handle.

Perhaps one day, yes. At this moment in time, no.

If i were Brent, i would draw up a shortlist of five names and a back-up list of four names, if needed.


Shortlist

1) Nigel Clough
2) Darren Ferguson
3) Ian Holloway
4) Kevin Blackwell
5) Paul Tisdale.

Back-Up List

1) Lee Clark
2) John Ward
3) Graham Westley
4) Sean O'Driscoll

This is only speculation, but i can see the new Argyle manager being from the top five names i have mentioned, and if i were to narrow it down a tad, then it would be one from Darren Ferguson, Paul Tisdale or Nigel Clough.

[i]Do not quote me at a later date when the above is way off the mark

VillageGreen wrote:

Paven wrote:

Still Coughlan.

Oh no, please no. Good former player and all, but starting your managerial career at Argyle is a step too hot to handle.

Perhaps one day, yes. At this moment in time, no.

If i were Brent, i would draw up a shortlist of five names and a back-up list of four names, if needed.


Shortlist

1) Nigel Clough Cat in hells chance unless the offer was too good to turn down and we hired his entourage
2) Darren Ferguson see above
3) Ian Holloway More chance of nool being elected mod on here
4) Kevin Blackwell crap and thats being kind
5) Paul Tisdale. More chance of pieface getting laid on big brother than that happening. Exeter will not want to lose their manager to its biggest rivals without massive compo deal which brent wont pay nor can i see Tisdale wanting to come here its not like we are in a higher league

Back-Up List

1) Lee Clark shit manager and far too south for that luvvie to come here
2) John Ward what has he done really and its not slight on him but is he really league 1 material
3) Graham Westley fans wont want his style of football and character here
4) Sean O'Driscoll would want big money and will drop the club just as quick if a bigger club comes knocking.

This is only speculation, but i can see the new Argyle manager being from the top five names i have mentioned, and if i were to narrow it down a tad, then it would be one from Darren Ferguson, Paul Tisdale or Nigel Clough.

Do not quote me at a later date when the above is way off the mark

ill quote you now

I am more keen on Coughlan being give the reigns than i have been. By all accounts he is a good coach and will be a good manager he has the right attributes so why not give him the job if he is the right guy that is. he isnt carl fletcher where he would be thrown into the deep end without anything to his name, he can swim. Only probably with wotton is he cant swim yet after only 1 year.

If we can give him the right backroom staff i can see him doing very well.