The New Plymouth Argyle manager should be.....

VillageGreen wrote:

Paven wrote:

Still Coughlan.

Shortlist

1) Nigel Clough
2) Darren Ferguson
3) Ian Holloway
4) Kevin Blackwell
5) Paul Tisdale.

Back-Up List

1) Lee Clark
2) John Ward
3) Graham Westley
4) Sean O'Driscoll

This is only speculation, but i can see the new Argyle manager being from the top five names i have mentioned, and if i were to narrow it down a tad, then it would be one from Darren Ferguson, Paul Tisdale or Nigel Clough.

Do not quote me at a later date when the above is way off the mark

Well, it's funny that you dismiss Coughlan, a modern, forward thinking coach with a few years working with different managers, who has spent time doing a uni degree in applied football management, gained his UEFA Pro license and travelled the continent watching coaching sessions and youth set-ups, and you then produce this list.

Clough - A shadow of his father. Did alright at Burton but to be fair he had a very good budget and a good squad, and it took him an absolute age to get them into the football league. What was it, 10 or 11 years or so? Didn't do well at Derby and massively underachieved at Sheffield United. We could do much worse, but hardly thrilling.
Ferguson - Such a boring appointment. We could do better.
Holloway - Not happening.
Blackwell - Genuinely a very poor manager. Hasn't really done that well anywhere, and his last job in 2013 was just appalling. If Warnock gets called outdated then Blackwell doesn't even come close.
Tisdale - Good manager but not a chance our board will pay the six figure compensation we're looking for.

Clark - Another bad manager. Hasn't had a good job anywhere.
Ward - Hardly inspiring is it, after the magic with Bristol Rovers?
Westley - I'm not too adverse to this one but Stevenage can't seem to stand him that much. We would probably do well, but it would hardly be very pretty would it?
O'Driscoll - Wouldn't mind too much, but his last job went very badly at Bristol City. We could do a lot, lot worse but there are better managers out there too.

So.. I'm still pro-Coughlan.

Coughlan has all the right attributes? What are 'the right attributes'?

Any first time manager is a total risk. We know nothing about his football philosophy, his command of tactics, his man management, his handling of budgets, his mentoring of youngsters. And yet many have already decided not only is he good enough but he is the best man for the job.

ejh wrote:

Coughlan has all the right attributes? What are 'the right attributes'?

Any first time manager is a total risk. We know nothing about his football philosophy, his command of tactics, his man management, his handling of budgets, his mentoring of youngsters. And yet many have already decided not only is he good enough but he is the best man for the job.

From other posts we have Cocko:
- a modern, forward thinking coach - based on what?
- a few years working with different managers - all at league 2?
- spent time doing a uni degree in applied football management - Distance Learning and how many of the tutors are ex-managers with a promotion t-shirt? I would hazard a guess at ''not many''
gained his UEFA Pro license - so have other people like Kevin Blackwell, Colin Lee, Gary Megson
- travelled the continent watching coaching sessions and youth set-ups - how many clubs did he visit and for how long? How did he find the time between being a coach, studying for his licence and his degree?

I do think many fans are nodding for Cocko not because he's got some exams but because he knows the club, the fans and was a success here. Same could be said about Wottsie, King Tommy, Paul Mariner, John Hore. We must get out of this league asap and cannot risk a 1st timer. Frankly Shezz's cold personality, sometimes baffling selections and apparent lack of communication with the fans would not have been a problem had we been promoted.

looks like cocko, was in for talks yesterday

Mapperley, darling wrote:

looks like cocko, was in for talks yesterday

cool, no doubt others will be too should have a manager named by this time next week all going well.

Everyone has to start somewhere.

tigertony wrote:

Frankly Shezz's cold personality, sometimes baffling selections and apparent lack of communication with the fans would not have been a problem had we been promoted.

Of course not because had we been promoted there would have been no problem to find. But we weren't. And there is.

FWIW I don't think the cold personality matters at all. It's a complete red herring. Just an easy target to hit. His personality has probably not differed from Day One.

"Baffling selections" baffle because there seems to be no reason for them. This is clearly not the case because there is always a reason for everything. So we're baffled because we don't understand and we don't understand because we don't know the reasoning and we don't know the reasoning due to poor communication so really, when it comes down to it, the team selections aren't a problem either.

It all boils down to communication and there was next to none from the manger to the fans just like there is next to none from the club to the fans. Or, rather, that important communication which emerges from the club usually does so through either accidental leak, planted leak or is dragged kicking and screaming reluctantly into the public domain and then followed up with a "there will be no further comment" statement. So the club could hardly boot Sheridan's behind when it itself tries to be as tight as a mackerel's ass with information, could it?

The sad thing about all of this is that the problems such as they are and such as they are preceived to be could so easily be eradicated if there was, firstly, the understanding that there was a problem at all and, secondly, the will to do something about them.

Really can't see the difference between Wotton and Coughlan. No managerial experience for either, both have some experience of working under different managers, either would be an appointment that demonstrates the lack of ambition pervading the club at the moment.

If the club were serious about getting out of this division they should be looking for a been there, done it type of manager who knows what it takes to get out this league. Someone like Sheridan, but more popular and who waves at people

On the other hand Coughlan got out of this division as a player, as did Wotton, so some of what went on under Sturrock Mk1 may have rubbed off. We shall see.

Coughlan wouldn't fill me with boundless excitement, but is he worth a try?

Meh.

Plus he's learned under Sturrock as a coach, and also Phil Brown. Cocko comes with a lot more coaching experience and a far greater C.V. than Wotton, there is a difference between the two. There's also a difference between the unknown Fletch taking over and the uncertain Cocko. Its a punt, but its a calculated one with better odds. Still, there is a massive unknown and that does leave me skeptical. Still, I'd prefer him to many of the mentioned names, though there are others I'd prioritise over Coughlan for now - I wouldn't mind floating midtable in League One and taking punts on newbie managers, but I'd sooner just get out of this feckin division that piss arsing about with little experiments. Still, we went tried and tested with Shez and it didn't pay off... So nothing is guaranteed, certainly not with this ownership.

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Really can't see the difference between Wotton and Coughlan. No managerial experience for either, both have some experience of working under different managers, either would be an appointment that demonstrates the lack of ambition pervading the club at the moment.

If the club were serious about getting out of this division they should be looking for a been there, done it type of manager who knows what it takes to get out this league. Someone like Sheridan, but more popular and who waves at people

On the other hand Coughlan got out of this division as a player, as did Wotton, so some of what went on under Sturrock Mk1 may have rubbed off. We shall see.

Coughlan wouldn't fill me with boundless excitement, but is he worth a try?

Meh.

+ 1 - word for word.

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I think people need to ask themselves why, when Wotton is already in situ and knows the squad, would there still be a huge majority in favour of Coughlan taking the reins rather than PW?

Czarcasm wrote:

I think people need to ask themselves why, when Wotton is already in situ and knows the squad, would there still be a huge majority in favour of Coughlan taking the reins rather than PW?

Wotton was part of sheridans backroom staff that as so many experts keep telling us failed.

Well, here it is a nutshell.

The club itself look at PASOTI.

IJN

The polls are looked at by quite a few influential people within the club, I know as the site is often mentioned to me.

As they should do.

What other industry has a 24/7 365 days a year Customer Perception Survey free of charge?.

I hope the club are not swayed by the polls and what the fans want.

Link

Nigel Adkins has been mentioned now.

VillageGreen wrote:

Well, here it is a nutshell.

The club itself look at PASOTI.

IJN

The polls are looked at by quite a few influential people within the club, I know as the site is often mentioned to me.

As they should do.

What other industry has a 24/7 365 days a year Customer Perception Survey free of charge?.

I hope the club are not swayed by the polls and what the fans want.

Link

Nigel Adkins has been mentioned now.

Surely the club wouldn't be so daft as to believe everything it sees on the ianternet?

Especially a poll given all the multis floating about.

How about an ex-player who has a promotion on his CV despite starting the season on minus 9 points ? Nicky Law at Chesterfield in 2001 ?
Rio Ferdinand has retired - p'raps announced that to take the Argo job.
IF the choice was GC or PW then GC has the advantage of being away from HP for years and really can clean sweep. Imagine PW getting the job and then McCarthy and Harbin shuffling in with''Please Paul can I keep my job - please Paul''
GC and PW are not for me - yet.

tigertony wrote:

How about an ex-player who has a promotion on his CV despite starting the season on minus 9 points ? Nicky Law at Chesterfield in 2001 ?
Rio Ferdinand has retired - p'raps announced that to take the Argo job.
IF the choice was GC or PW then GC has the advantage of being away from HP for years and really can clean sweep. Imagine PW getting the job and then McCarthy and Harbin shuffling in with''Please Paul can I keep my job - please Paul''
GC and PW are not for me - yet.

Not in a million years and Argyle could not afford him anyway.

If it is to be GC, then i hope he brings in his own people as staff. Harbin can go as for as i am concerned, Wooton can stay in the role he has now, perhaps he could even assist in managing the youth side and build from there.

VillageGreen wrote:

Well, here it is a nutshell.

The club itself look at PASOTI.

IJN

The polls are looked at by quite a few influential people within the club, I know as the site is often mentioned to me.

As they should do.

What other industry has a 24/7 365 days a year Customer Perception Survey free of charge?.

I hope the club are not swayed by the polls and what the fans want.

Link

Nigel Adkins has been mentioned now.

Who in their right minds would listen to an internet troll, and his tame cheerleader site? Mr Internets only involvement will be strictly Bucket Rattling Consultant!

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

Well, here it is a nutshell.

The club itself look at PASOTI.

IJN

The polls are looked at by quite a few influential people within the club, I know as the site is often mentioned to me.

As they should do.

What other industry has a 24/7 365 days a year Customer Perception Survey free of charge?.

I hope the club are not swayed by the polls and what the fans want.

Link

Nigel Adkins has been mentioned now.

Who in their right minds would listen to an internet troll, and his tame cheerleader site? Mr Internets only involvement will be strictly Bucket Rattling Consultant!

Conclusive proof (as if any were needed) that Pasoti is a disease that is eating the club from the inside out.

Newell the pathological liar wrote:

Well, here it is a nutshell.

The club itself look at PASOTI.


The polls are looked at by quite a few influential people within the club, I know as the site is often mentioned to me.

As they should do.

What other industry has a 24/7 365 days a year Customer Perception Survey free of charge?.[/i]

Well that makes it even more sickening to know, that quite often the club is deliberately going against the clear wishes of the fans!

Internet Ian, jimmy's football adviser? TeeHee Guffaw.

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Southend UTD fans view on Coughlan rumours.

Angry wrote:

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Southend UTD fans view on Coughlan rumours.

I can't get into the link, it keeps telling me to join up.

What are they saying by the way.

I got that as well but when I scrolled down I could read the forum thread.

Just to throw another name out there Frank Harper seems to have heard a whisper about Brian McDermott nudge nudge wink wink
That would be a good appointment if he fancies league 2.

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

Well, here it is a nutshell.

The club itself look at PASOTI.

IJN

The polls are looked at by quite a few influential people within the club, I know as the site is often mentioned to me.

As they should do.

What other industry has a 24/7 365 days a year Customer Perception Survey free of charge?.

I hope the club are not swayed by the polls and what the fans want.

Link

Nigel Adkins has been mentioned now.

Who in their right minds would listen to an internet troll, and his tame cheerleader site? Mr Internets only involvement will be strictly Bucket Rattling Consultant!

How much the board actually listen to IJN was exposed during the ministand debacle when he was extolling the "magnificent two tiered stand" he had seen just as the single deck sketch was released.