Nigel Farage

Peggy wrote:

What annoys me is that, with all the airtime given to Farridge's shower, I've yet to see any given to another party who want out of the EU, and for much better reasons. Maybe that's because it's a party of the left. Sadly no candidates in the South-West, though: No to EU

Peggy....the problem with anyone with political views left of centre,and I class myself in that position,.......Is no leadership.....Millaband/Balls are the nearest equivalent to.....Morcambe & Wise.....but without the laughs.....in fact I would go further with Ed Balls.....I would tell him to shut up and let his wife do the talking.....he is the best thing since sliced bread for the Tories to help them get voted back next year.

zyph wrote:

Peggy wrote:

What annoys me is that, with all the airtime given to Farridge's shower, I've yet to see any given to another party who want out of the EU, and for much better reasons. Maybe that's because it's a party of the left. Sadly no candidates in the South-West, though: No to EU

Peggy....the problem with anyone with political views left of centre,and I class myself in that position,.......Is no leadership.....Millaband/Balls are the nearest equivalent to.....Morcambe & Wise.....but without the laughs.....in fact I would go further with Ed Balls.....I would tell him to shut up and let his wife do the talking.....he is the best thing since sliced bread for the Tories to help them get voted back next year.

I agree with both of you and that's where I would place myself in the political scheme of things Zyph, left of centre.

I remember Thatcher saying how she would never allow the left into the country via the back door of Europe. Well the fact is, the left have left that door open and the right are getting in and ordinary European people are paying the price for it as I await the next round of redundancies!

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I suspect that a great deal of people are going to vote UKIP than would dare admit for fear of being labelled freak, wierdo, or even worse, racist!

The thing with Farage is that he hits the right note with the huge majority of ordinary working class folk who have seen the huge influx of immigrants go unabated, local services put under huge amounts of strain dealing with the thousands of newcomers, successive UK governments surrendering UK powers to the corridors of Brussels, hundreds of thousands of jobs go to Polish and Romanians etc, etc.

Not all voters will have the means, intellect or, plainly couldn't give a feck about voting for anyone else apart from who's shouting out what they want to hear, ergo Farage.


Me? I think it's clearly time for a revolution.

summary of farage : no immigration from europe to uk, however, emigration is ok. no european workers in the uk, however, british politicians are ok to work in europe. black and white that maybe, but its what they stand for.

i notice ukips latest racist, take on things : boycott any company that dares to market to any non white/non christians, subway is the example. i look at subway and see that they are owned by macshite, and say boycott the land raping, population fattening pricks

ukip have no chance of leading the country, lets take on the corporations that really do run the country

Welcome back, slavery!

And I do want a revolution and I do want to take on the corporations that run this country and Europe.

Person Of Interest wrote:

I suspect that a great deal of people are going to vote UKIP than would dare admit for fear of being labelled freak, wierdo, or even worse, racist!

The thing with Farage is that he hits the right note with the huge majority of ordinary working class folk who have seen the huge influx of immigrants go unabated, local services put under huge amounts of strain dealing with the thousands of newcomers, successive UK governments surrendering UK  powers to the corridors of Brussels, hundreds of thousands of jobs go to Polish and Romanians etc, etc.

Not all voters will have the means, intellect or, plainly couldn't give a feck about voting for anyone else apart from who's shouting out what they want to hear, ergo Farage.


Me? I think it's clearly time for a revolution.

what? where is that happening, oh yes, europe-wide. and introduced austerity by the (mainly) right wing governments therein is compounding the issue

'no suitable candidate' on ballot papers is what we should be aiming for

Mapperley, darling wrote:

Person Of Interest wrote:

I suspect that a great deal of people are going to vote UKIP than would dare admit for fear of being labelled freak, wierdo, or even worse, racist!

The thing with Farage is that he hits the right note with the huge majority of ordinary working class folk who have seen the huge influx of immigrants go unabated, local services put under huge amounts of strain dealing with the thousands of newcomers, successive UK governments surrendering UK  powers to the corridors of Brussels, hundreds of thousands of jobs go to Polish and Romanians etc, etc.

Not all voters will have the means, intellect or, plainly couldn't give a feck about voting for anyone else apart from who's shouting out what they want to hear, ergo Farage.


Me? I think it's clearly time for a revolution.

what? where is that happening, oh yes, europe-wide. and introduced austerity by the (mainly) right wing governments therein is compounding the issue

'no suitable candidate' on ballot papers is what we should be aiming for

Right here in Plymouth and elsewhere Mapps, if there was a minimum rate for tradesmen and the foreign workers had to be paid that rate as well as locals then not only would the local tradesman be able to afford to live but the foreign worker wouldn't be exploited either.

there is a minimum wage, if someone earns less than a minimum wage then they can only be self employed, as would be the european workers, all covered by the same legislation. if foreign workers are being exploited it is the unscrupulous (?) employers that are the problem. and where are they from, oh yes, the uk

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Demetri. Marchessini.

Ate UKIP the right party to represent the people that are anti eu? I'm not sure but I do know that no euro sceptic is going to feel at home in present day New Labour or New Torydems.

This co-ordinated attack by the media & 3 main parties is something to behold.

Will be interesting to see if this damages ukip in the polls, and if Nigel Farage can keep himself together.

The media and the other parties are united against them. Will they see a drop in support or will this inspire more people to vote against 'the establishment'?

Do you really mean that Farage isn't "part of the establishment"? Public school, ex-Tory party, stockbroker father, commodity trader, millionaire. That sort of 'not part of the establishment'?

"Not part of the establishment".

I don't know how anybody can say that without their nose growing ridiculously long.

It's complete nonsense.

(As Knecht has so lucidly demonstrated above.)

He certainly seems to be bucking the trend if he is Knecht and even if he is, if he is bucking the trend then good on him.

Lots of accusations have been made against Farage and UKIP without them ever seeing so much as a slice of power, maybe it is time to see if the accusers are right or not?

Ok substitute 'the establishment', for 'status quo', its semantics really my main point being will ukip and farage crumble or will they get stronger?

Think they will do very well in the european elections but their support will melt away for the general election, but still strong enough to prevent a Tory government

Judging from Question Time tonight and UKIP's performance, UKIP seem to be gaining strength with each passing day. Apart from one or two stutters I think it was another feather in UKIP's hat and it was nice to hear a politician actually come out and say how disgusted she was with one or two issues regarding employment law and something that previous governments have done sweet FA to control.

I see Farage is on Question Time again next week. He's been on QT more often than any other person in the last few years.

For somebody not allowed to have a debate about he's been having his say with astonishing regularity.

Another case of fact and statement clashing.

He'll end up wearing that Victim Card out.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I see Farage is on Question Time again next week. He's been on QT more often than any other person in the last few years.

For somebody not allowed to have a debate about he's been having his say with astonishing regularity.

Another case of fact and statement clashing.

He'll end up wearing that Victim Card out.

Currently being worn to death by Dane and Jethro.  

Next time will be Farage's 27th QT appearance.

He's the Paloma Faith of politics.

They're all running scared of him and UKIP.....it just shows how shallow and lacking in ideas the worn out three so called main parties are.

The other parties may be "running scared", for want of a better phrase. But one of the important issues is 'how is UKIP managing it?' and my view is that largely they are achieving their showing in the polls is due to their appeal to people's anxieties & prejudices. UKIP are doing their best to fuel those fires. And that's reprehensible & potentially dangerous.

I actually decided yesterday that we should all vote UKIP. That would see them gain power. Then their absence of anything intelligent would see them collapse immediately, disappear without trace, leaving Farage free to prop up the bar at his local spouting his nonsense to whoever will listen & whoever will buy him a pint.

I find the labelling of UKIP as racist very lazy arguing, akin to being labelled as a communist if you are anti capitalism in the mould being force fed us at the moment and that is what has got the powers that be worried. Successive governments over the last thirty or forty years have viewed Britain and Europe as a big fat juicy pie to be slide up and shared amoungst themselves and their mates. We used to get the odd crumb but not any longer. The bankers and big business men refuse to rein in their lavish lifestyles whilst we criminalise poverty stricken people and force more and more families below the bread line so that the dividends and bonuses can be paid even after they broke their own piggy bank. This situation can't go on, UKIP will be steered by public opinion, I don't believe that the average Brit is racist, they want a fair wage for them and their children. They also want houses to be affordable for their children. The people who shout racist are arguing that bonuses are more important than a decent living wage and affordable housing.
I am pleased that not one person on this thread has seen the need to say that they aren't racist, we have at least moved on a little in recent times.

knecht wrote:

The other parties may be "running scared", for want of a better phrase. But one of the important issues is 'how is UKIP managing it?' and my view is that largely they are achieving their showing in the polls is due to their appeal to people's anxieties & prejudices. UKIP are doing their best to fuel those fires. And that's reprehensible & potentially dangerous.

I actually decided yesterday that we should all vote UKIP. That would see them gain power. Then their absence of anything intelligent would see them collapse immediately, disappear without trace, leaving Farage free to prop up the bar at his local spouting his nonsense to whoever will listen & whoever will buy him a pint.

I agree with your idea in principle but let's be honest UKIP are not going to end up in parliament they wont even field enough people to make a government in the next election but I am fooked if I would vote for any of the remaining parties. A vote for labour or Torydems is a vote in favour of multi million pound bonuses and a minimum wage below the poverty line. I wouldn't mind betting that a fair few closet racists reside in the house of commons to boot. I honestly think that the country could be run a lot lot better by the local councils with the direction coming from a pub of the week.

Iggy wrote:

I find the labelling of UKIP as racist very lazy arguing, akin to being labelled as a communist if you are anti capitalism in the mould being force fed us at the moment and that is what has got the powers that be worried. Successive governments over the last thirty or forty years have viewed Britain and Europe as a big fat juicy pie to be slide up and shared amoungst themselves and their mates. We used to get the odd crumb but not any longer. The bankers and big business men refuse to rein in their lavish lifestyles whilst we criminalise poverty stricken people and force more and more families below the bread line so that the dividends and bonuses can be paid even after they broke their own piggy bank. This situation can't go on, UKIP will be steered by public opinion, I don't believe that the average Brit is racist, they want a fair wage for them and their children. They also want houses to be affordable for their children. The people who shout racist are arguing that bonuses are more important than a decent living wage and affordable housing.
I am pleased that not one person on this thread has seen the need to say that they aren't racist, we have at least moved on a little in recent times.

I agree with most of this except the bit that says UKIP is an answer.

What have they ever said to suggest that this will be changed?

How are they going to change it?