In the "News" today.

Iggy wrote:

And in the same old double standards that don't seem to bother many people,
Two home secretaries in cash for access scandal. (shock feckin horror, their all at it). Rifkin was after £5k a day for selling his services as an industrial spy, great job.
And an exec. of HSBC has a secret (or not so secret lol) account in Switzerland with £5m in it. The money arrived at this account via the said execs. secret Panamanian company, his solicitor said that he has done nothing illegal? Well why isn't that illegal? If he was a young mum who fiddled £10k in benefits he could see himself inside for five years.
Could be worse eh?
And on a lighter note I like Steph the business milf from BBC news, like a poor mans Rachel Riley.

You name Rifkin but not Straw, why would that be? Just asking

Because I am a communist? Is that the answer you are looking for? Actually I was in too much of a rush to post a link and had just watched Rifkin being stitched up so mentioned that, if you need more help to make a big deal out of it just ask.

FFS just realised that Straw was in the Labour party, that must make me a Tory, mind you why would I mention a Tory in the story? Am I a liberal? Fecked if I know.

are you Cobi in disguise ?

Just could be.

Luckily the bogus reporters posed as representatives for a bogus Chinese company. Had they elected to pretend to be representing HSBC the Telegraph would never have published their own article!

The truly gobsmacking thing about this is that neither Straw nor Rifkind can see why they have done anything questionable at all.

Westminster really does seem to be rotten to the core.

Iggy wrote:

Because I am a communist? Is that the answer you are looking for? Actually I was in too much of a rush to post a link and had just watched Rifkin being stitched up so mentioned that, if you need more help to make a big deal out of it just ask.

Fcukin knew it!!!

I wonder if the Telegraph is thinking of backing Nigey, bent MPs are two a penny yet they wait until now to throw two biggies to the lions, one Tory and one red Tory, Straw actually went to school with a load of the fellahs I used to play rugby with, not one had a good word to say about him.

Opprobrium heaped upon the LabCon. the Dims out of it except in the Dim heartland of the West Country, have a look at yourselves, who is there left to benefit?

The Torygraph goes Kip?

Two great progs from C4 and the Beeb putting Nigey right back in the meeja spotlight, now this, somebody somewhere must have a couple of quid on a Tory/Kipper coalition, as unlikely as the polls would suggest that to be.

Jack Straw was the SU pres whilst my father was at teacher training college. I went on a miners strike march yonks back and my father was waxing lyrical. Tbf i thought he (my father) was just saying 'look i know someone who is famous'. I thought 'what a twat'. Just my opinion, at the time.

A Tory/UKIP coalition would finish a lot of new UKIP voters from ever voting again.

The same voters who said they would never vote Lib/Dem again when they propped up a Tory Government.

Conkip would be pointless, just the cons making a few more noises about Europe and doing feck all whilst filling their own pockets. Kippers could be safely ignored with the election out the way, it's more likely that Camoron throws a sop to the electorate about a referendum in 2035 and says he will tighten up the ports in the same way that Maggie the milk snatcher turned a bit green in the eighties.

Cameron promising pensioners that he will ring fence their Winter fuel allowance and TV Licence so they can have dignity and security in retirement......It's enough to make you want to vomit.....he knows that he has more chance of the old voting him back in than younger people who might not even bother to vote at all.

[quote="zyph"]Cameron promising pensioners that he will ring fence their Winter fuel allowance and TV Licence so they can have dignity and security in retirement......It's enough to make you want to vomit.....he knows that he has more chance of the old voting him back in than younger people who might not even bother to vote at all.

Geddon Zippers, the grey tide is rising, is there anyone, apart from my Mum, that the Tories haven't upset? I fully expect my pension date to just jog ahead of me with me never being able to reach it. I wonder in which way that will "enable me?" Probably give me lots more of that dignity that we are told about.

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Rifkind and Straw were both "victims" of a sting operation! Victims FFS! The contempt the electorate is shown these days is just staggering.

Iggy wrote:

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Rifkind and Straw were both "victims" of a sting operation! Victims FFS! The contempt the electorate is shown these days is just staggering.

They were caught out on the fiddle. Off with their heads, Next stop is the House of Lord for their next fiddles.

Ever since I was old enough to vote I have always lived in a strong Tory constituency.

Voting Labour was no better than chucking your vote down the drain.

So the only alternative was to vote Liberal or later on Lib/Dem on the off chance that a good candidate could unseat the Tory.

With Lib/Dem selling their souls to a Tory led coalition voting UKIP might be the only alternative left.....my present MP is Boris's younger brother Jo.....who was gifted this seat at the last election by the retiring MP......word has it that Jo Johnson had to get the map out to see where Orpington was before coming down for the selection meeting.....I wonder what the other short listed candidates thought about that.....Jo Johnson is already an advisor to Cameron......silver spoon syndrome.....the rising of the Johnson dynasty.....he'll have his feet under the cabinet table if big brother Boris becomes the next Tory leader.........in the meanwhile the "Two Ed's Show" is rivalling the two Ronnies for laughs.....and could go on the circuit soon as the new Abbot & Castello comedy act.

And Rifkind and Straw get support from the Torygraph for being unable to live on £67k a year. Lol.

My Uncle Albert lived in Orpington. Was always handy to park the car on his drive then he'd drop us to Gatwick.

He's dead now. Hence flying from Gatwick has become a bit of a pain.

£67k per annum is where the top decile for salary in this country starts.

What gets me about this is that soldiers, policemen, nurses, teachers, carers, firemen, paramedics and so on, many of whom have been on a pay freeze for years now whereas the MPs are about to trouser an 11% pay rise, are expected to accept a low wage because "it's a vocation" and "they do the job because they care not for the financial rewards" and so on.

Why doesn't this apply to MPs too?

This is another manifestation of the re-definition of the word "incentivise". Poor people, apparently, are incentivised to work more productively by giving them fewer employment rights, shorter contracts, no contracts at all or less money for a wage but those in the top decile for earnings seem to be incentivised only by being given more salary, more generous expenses, bigger bonuses or a better company car.

Beats the shit outta me why we let them get away with it.

"The average wage in this country is £26,500."

Lord Tisdale wrote:

I wonder if the Telegraph is thinking of backing Nigey, bent MPs are two a penny yet they wait until now to throw two biggies to the lions, one Tory and one red Tory, Straw actually went to school with a load of the fellahs I used to play rugby with, not one had a good word to say about him.

Opprobrium heaped upon the LabCon. the Dims out of it except in the Dim heartland of the West Country, have a look at yourselves, who is there left to benefit?

The Torygraph goes Kip?

Two great progs from C4 and the Beeb putting Nigey right back in the meeja spotlight, now this, somebody somewhere must have a couple of quid on a Tory/Kipper coalition, as unlikely as the polls would suggest that to be.

The Torygraph will back the Tories not the Kippers Tizza.

How many seats will the Kippers take ? 2/3 if they are lucky ?

Maybe not many seats this time.....but a hugh jump in votes cast.....one day MP's might not be decided by first past the post......and that then will bring continual coalition governments.

Interesting survey on the beeb.

Muslims 'oppose cartoons reprisals'
Last updated 3 hours ago


Nearly half of the 1,000 British Muslims polled believe they face discrimination because of their faith
The majority of British Muslims oppose violence against people who publish images depicting the Prophet Muhammad, a poll for the BBC suggests.

The survey also indicates most have no sympathy with those who want to fight against Western interests.

But 27% of the 1,000 Muslims polled by ComRes said they had some sympathy for the motives behind the Paris attacks.

Almost 80% said they had found it deeply offensive when images depicting the Prophet were published.

Click here to get the full survey results.

More than two-thirds of respondents said acts of violence against those who published such images could never be justified.

But the poll, carried out between 26 January and 20 February, suggests 32% of British Muslims were not surprised by January's attacks on the Charlie Hebdo satirical magazine, which published depictions of the Prophet, and a kosher supermarket in Paris.





The poll also suggests that almost half of British Muslims believe they face discrimination because of their faith and that Britain is becoming less tolerant, while the same percentage feel prejudice against Islam makes it difficult being a Muslim in the UK.

Some 35% said they felt most British people did not trust Muslims, and a fifth said they thought Western liberal society could never be compatible with Islam.

Of those polled, 95% felt a loyalty to Britain, while 93% believed that Muslims in Britain should always obey British laws.

Nearly 20% of Muslim women questioned said they felt unsafe in Britain, compared with 10% of men.


Analysis

By Sima Kotecha, Today reporter
Islam is a religion of peace and love - not violence: sentiments that have been expressed numerous times here in Bradford.

Out of the dozens of people I've spoken to, an overwhelming majority have said they're angry that their interpretation of Islam has been eclipsed by an extreme ideology that is too often projected in the media.

They say it's this that is fuelling prejudice, and it's leading to some in the community feeling ostracised from British society.

As one young man said: "We're all being branded as extremists in this country. I am British but sometimes it feels as if Britain is rejecting me because of my faith and that hurts."

One thousand Muslims were polled as part of our survey - a number statistically representative of the population of close to three million Muslims in Britain.


'Stop alienation'
A student at Bradford College, Samaia Aslal, told the BBC that politicians and the media perpetuated a dehumanised image of Muslims, which opens them up to all forms of attack.

She said: "It is up to the rest of British society to stop looking at us as some kind of threat, to accept us.

"To not always ask us how British we feel, that's as stupid as asking 'how do you feel about your red hair today?'.

"To ask this whilst alienating us, spying on us, making us feel like we don't fit in."

But another student Mohammed Al Hakaroon said integration was the responsibility of both Muslims and non-Muslims.


Brothers Cherif (L) and Said Kouachi attacked Charlie Hebdo
"There is no Islamic regulation or law that prevents integration. Everyone should be treated as equal: Muslim, white, black, Asian, as the Prophet himself has said."

Musmil Afik, who also studies at Bradford College, said he was angry and frustrated, so he could understand why this drove one in four people to support the attacks in Paris.

He said: " But this is not what Islam is about. Islam is about peace, love and harmony."

Twelve people died when an attack was launched on the office of Charlie Hebdo on 7 January.

The following day a policewoman was murdered by Amedy Coulibaly, who also held up a Jewish supermarket the next day, killing four people.

Coulibaly and the two Charlie Hebdo gunmen, Said and Cherif Kouachi, were shot dead by police in two separate sieges.

Selection of ComsRes questions
• If someone I knew from the Muslim community was planning an act of violence I would report them to the police - 94% agree

• I know Muslims who feel strongly sympathetic towards people fighting for IS and al-Qaeda - 8% agree

• Muslim clerics who preach that violence against the West can be justified are out of touch with mainstream opinion - 49% agree

• I would like my children to go a Muslim state school if I had the choice - 31% agree

The enemy within?