Accelerated staff payments ... possible scandal ?

Ian's very lucky to have mates like Mark and the other Pasoti moderators, anyone else would have banned him after yesterdays performance. Still, I can see Mark's a busy man, what with having to edit Ian's comments and it must be a full-time job just moderating him.

Do you think Mark has a thing about "size"?

Mark Pedlar wrote:

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CG compared IJN to Ian Brady - a number of us found that extremely offensive. Maybe we're a bit older as a group but we found this unacceptable. CG was given, I believe (I haven't checked), a night off. We also received a number of pms from people who also found it offensive. A bit like Chris on here his response to debate was not to justify or give proof to his examples but rather to rehearse the same arguement. In the end he reverted to abuse.
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But he didn't! If anything, he contrasted the two and said words to the effect, "Whether you are Ian Newell or Ian Brady I would still challenge you". That is not the same as comparing the two. It really isn't. And, I'm older as a group.... well, you know what I mean. I agree, GFL's posts were increasingly angry but so were the two mods with whom he was in argument! I wouldn't care if you came on here as Mark Pedlar or Jesus's disciple Mark, I would still challenge you if I thought you were wrong (and, in case there is any confusion, I am not comparing you to St Mark).

There was substantial hysteria on pasoti. From the outside of the modding process, it appears as though GFL has been slapped across the wrists (Daz in his initial response said it would be worse). Do IJN and Daz face any such consequences?

In the interest of peace and reconciliation I shall stop now.

penzancepirate wrote:

Mark Pedlar wrote:

The main issue on here (I won't call it a problem) is that many of the established posters are conspiracy theorists - read the definition - they are seeing conspiracies between principle players on PASOTI and all sorts of issues and making inventions. The classic view of conspiracy theorists is that those who don't share the view are the "herd" who aren't clever enough to see the "reality" which is their view.

Well, I've read it all now Mark.
This is just rehashing the same old dartboard..... one hundred and eighteeeeeeeeeeeee !

For the millionth time, 'conspiracy theory' is a negative connotation that someone of one tribe, puts on another tribe's competitive thoughts and plans. That nasty Catholic Guy Fawkes conspired, that wonderful English protestant Winston planned.
Should I call the much heralded 7/28/100 day plans conspiracies ? for that's what they are ... they are plans.... fullstop, well, they would have been, if I could see any evidence of them. You might get away with that nursery stuff on pasoti, that dictionary of fun, but not off piste out in the real world.

Why don't you just face facts, some fans of this football club, that we have all supported for decades, don't like what has gone down and still don't like some of what is still going down.
There's no conspiracy, it's just fans of a small out of the way football club disagreeing about the way forward... there's no conspiracy ... it's just called disagreement.

Didn't bother reading the definition then.

funny man wrote:

Mark Pedlar wrote:

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CG compared IJN to Ian Brady - a number of us found that extremely offensive. Maybe we're a bit older as a group but we found this unacceptable. CG was given, I believe (I haven't checked), a night off. We also received a number of pms from people who also found it offensive. A bit like Chris on here his response to debate was not to justify or give proof to his examples but rather to rehearse the same arguement. In the end he reverted to abuse.
......

But he didn't! If anything, he contrasted the two and said words to the effect, "Whether you are Ian Newell or Ian Brady I would still challenge you". That is not the same as comparing the two. It really isn't. And, I'm older as a group.... well, you know what I mean. I agree, GFL's posts were increasingly angry but so were the two mods with whom he was in argument! I wouldn't care if you came on here as Mark Pedlar or Jesus's disciple Mark, I would still challenge you if I thought you were wrong (and, in case there is any confusion, I am not comparing you to St Mark).

There was substantial hysteria on pasoti. From the outside of the modding process, it appears as though GFL has been slapped across the wrists (Daz in his initial response said it would be worse). Do IJN and Daz face any such consequences?

In the interest of peace and reconciliation I shall stop now.

There was a removed post that compared.

GOB wrote:

Ian's very lucky to have mates like Mark and the other Pasoti moderators, anyone else would have banned him after yesterdays performance. Still, I can see Mark's a busy man, what with having to edit Ian's comments and it must be a full-time job just moderating him.

Do you think Mark has a thing about "size"?

GOB - I thought it was too good to last. I said you wouldn't agree with me but why the last comment? I came on here offering a realsitic debate and willing to listen but it appears that it's a one way street. A shame - I thought we could put an end to the senseless bickering.

GOB wrote:

Any comment regarding IJN's behavior on the old Argyle Talk site then Mark?

I never used the Argyle Talk site - I registered but only read once and never inhaled.

Just banter Mark, that'll all. Apologies to the more sensitive among us.


I think anyone neutral might consider your lack of comment regarding Ian's behavior on the old AT site as a cop out, Mark.

Mark Pedlar wrote:

funny man wrote:

Mark Pedlar wrote:

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CG compared IJN to Ian Brady - a number of us found that extremely offensive. Maybe we're a bit older as a group but we found this unacceptable. CG was given, I believe (I haven't checked), a night off. We also received a number of pms from people who also found it offensive. A bit like Chris on here his response to debate was not to justify or give proof to his examples but rather to rehearse the same arguement. In the end he reverted to abuse.
......

But he didn't! If anything, he contrasted the two and said words to the effect, "Whether you are Ian Newell or Ian Brady I would still challenge you". That is not the same as comparing the two. It really isn't. And, I'm older as a group.... well, you know what I mean. I agree, GFL's posts were increasingly angry but so were the two mods with whom he was in argument! I wouldn't care if you came on here as Mark Pedlar or Jesus's disciple Mark, I would still challenge you if I thought you were wrong (and, in case there is any confusion, I am not comparing you to St Mark).

There was substantial hysteria on pasoti. From the outside of the modding process, it appears as though GFL has been slapped across the wrists (Daz in his initial response said it would be worse). Do IJN and Daz face any such consequences?

In the interest of peace and reconciliation I shall stop now.

There was a removed post that compared.

Sorry! Sad, anal-retentive that I am, I was following the "discussion" very closely (having already been unnecessarily attacked by the mods in question myself) and the words used by GFL were as I described them. Of course, I am not infallible and I may have missed something (I would love to be able to take screen shots but that's beyond my limited brain - do you have the "offending posts" recorded?). I would find it strange though that GFL would make a milder, somewhat unusual contrasting comment and also make a far more directly derogatory statement using the same image. If I am wrong, then I would sincerely apologise.

If you read my posts on here and on pasoti you would see that I am not an inflammatory poster and not usually given to extreme comments. I simply think, based on what I saw, that GFL was a victim not a perpetrator.


I am trying to refrain from further comment.

GOB wrote:

Just banter Mark, that'll all. Apologies to the more sensitive among us.


I think anyone neutral might consider your lack of comment regarding Ian's behavior on the old AT site as a cop out, Mark.

Seriously - I never used it!! I used RotG, PASOTI and now ATD - I posted briefly on the "official" site as Pasties and Cider but found the tolerance of the mods there unacceptably high. I can't comment as I have no knowedge of what did or didn't go on.

If I ever banned anything on here (which we don't) it would be all mention of IJN or Newell, fed up with hearing about it.

funny man wrote:

Sorry! Sad, anal-retentive that I am, I was following the "discussion" very closely (having already been unnecessarily attacked by the mods in question myself) and the words used by GFL were as I described them. Of course, I am not infallible and I may have missed something (I would love to be able to take screen shots but that's beyond my limited brain - do you have the "offending posts" recorded?). I would find it strange though that GFL would make a milder, somewhat unusual contrasting comment and also make a far more directly derogatory statement using the same image. If I am wrong, then I would sincerely apologise.

If you read my posts on here and on pasoti you would see that I am not an inflammatory poster and not usually given to extreme comments. I simply think, based on what I saw, that GFL was a victim not a perpetrator.

The posts are saved - comparison was made (just checked)

I know it's been changed now but did you save a copy of the edited post that Ian made on the thread regarding Pseudonyms?

I expect, and as you would have done with any other poster, Ian's been banned.

Let him know there's a place here for him! <------------------------------ just a tongue in cheek comment!

GOB wrote:

I know it's been changed now but did you save a copy of the edited post that Ian made on the thread regarding Pseudonyms?

I expect, and as you would have done with any other poster, Ian's been banned.

Let him know there's a place here for him! <------------------------------ just a tongue in cheek comment!

Ian made several posts on that thread - which particular one?

So, there we have the Pasoti moderator side of things ..... cheers Mark, thanks for your input, I think your dartboard is running out of steam.
Don't worry, it'll all come out in the wash.

penzancepirate wrote:

So, there we have the Pasoti moderator side of things ..... cheers Mark, thanks for your input, I think your dartboard is running out of steam.
Don't worry, it'll all come out in the wash.

Uh? What on earth are you talking about?

Mark Pedlar wrote:

funny man wrote:

Sorry! Sad, anal-retentive that I am, I was following the "discussion" very closely (having already been unnecessarily attacked by the mods in question myself) and the words used by GFL were as I described them. Of course, I am not infallible and I may have missed something (I would love to be able to take screen shots but that's beyond my limited brain - do you have the "offending posts" recorded?). I would find it strange though that GFL would make a milder, somewhat unusual contrasting comment and also make a far more directly derogatory statement using the same image. If I am wrong, then I would sincerely apologise.

If you read my posts on here and on pasoti you would see that I am not an inflammatory poster and not usually given to extreme comments. I simply think, based on what I saw, that GFL was a victim not a perpetrator.

The posts are saved - comparison was made (just checked)

In which case, if he made a comment additional to the one I saw, I absolutely apologise.

It is good to have a mod respond as openly as he is able without rancour on either side. Thank you.

penzancepirate wrote:

So, there we have the Pasoti moderator side of things ..... cheers Mark, thanks for your input, I think your dartboard is running out of steam.
Don't worry, it'll all come out in the wash.

Exactly!

Thanks for your cooperation Mark. I'm happy to now let those that prefer to sit on the fence decide who the bad guys are. I'm happy with the points made.

GOB wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

So, there we have the Pasoti moderator side of things ..... cheers Mark, thanks for your input, I think your dartboard is running out of steam.
Don't worry, it'll all come out in the wash.

Exactly!

Thanks for your cooperation Mark. I'm happy to now let those that prefer to sit on the fence decide who the bad guys are. I'm happy with the points made.

Bye then!

Mark Pedlar wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

So, there we have the Pasoti moderator side of things ..... cheers Mark, thanks for your input, I think your dartboard is running out of steam.
Don't worry, it'll all come out in the wash.

Uh? What on earth are you talking about?

You come on here, saying you want to debate, but you're not debating anything, you're just cementing the Pasoti party line and explaining that website's behaviour. Like old drunks, when people go over old ground, I rarely listen to the detail, the words, as they never change. But what they do have is shape, botom line, momentum and desire... that's what I take note of.
My judgement is you want something from this exchange but are unwilling to give anything for it that i can detect.
Cut to the chase, have you got anything of value to offer the 'scum' like me on this forum or no, Mark ?

OH, I'll Jump in then...

Why Mark do you support and advocate a life time banning for me from Pasoti?

I don't think we have ever met, and what about my behaviour is any worse than Newells?

PS. what is the reason for my banning, as it sure as hell wasn't the reason you list on your forum?

Mark Pedlar wrote:

GOB wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

So, there we have the Pasoti moderator side of things ..... cheers Mark, thanks for your input, I think your dartboard is running out of steam.
Don't worry, it'll all come out in the wash.

Exactly!

Thanks for your cooperation Mark. I'm happy to now let those that prefer to sit on the fence decide who the bad guys are. I'm happy with the points made.

Bye then!

People love flouncing off here, dont they?

Southborne wrote:

Mark Pedlar wrote:

GOB wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

So, there we have the Pasoti moderator side of things ..... cheers Mark, thanks for your input, I think your dartboard is running out of steam.
Don't worry, it'll all come out in the wash.

Exactly!

Thanks for your cooperation Mark. I'm happy to now let those that prefer to sit on the fence decide who the bad guys are. I'm happy with the points made.

Bye then!

People love flouncing off here, dont they?

Who flounced? GOB and PP dismissed me! I'll leave flouncing for others thanks

Rickler wrote:

OH, I'll Jump in then...

Why Mark do you support and advocate a life time banning for me from Pasoti?

I don't think we have ever met, and what about my behaviour is any worse than Newells?

PS. what is the reason for my banning, as it sure as hell wasn't the reason you list on your forum?

I haven't looked Rickler - I will do and will get back to you but as the banning took place long before I became a mod i'll have to find the information.

Mark, I very much appreciate that. I never have been told.

But bearing that in mind, how then, do you answer and justify my first question?

penzancepirate wrote:

Mark Pedlar wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

So, there we have the Pasoti moderator side of things ..... cheers Mark, thanks for your input, I think your dartboard is running out of steam.
Don't worry, it'll all come out in the wash.

Uh? What on earth are you talking about?

You come on here, saying you want to debate, but you're not debating anything, you're just cementing the Pasoti party line and explaining that website's behaviour. Like old drunks, when people go over old ground, I rarely listen to the detail, the words, as they never change. But what they do have is shape, botom line, momentum and desire... that's what I take note of.
My judgement is you want something from this exchange but are unwilling to give anything for it that i can detect.
Cut to the chase, have you got anything of value to offer the 'scum' like me on this forum or no, Mark ?

PP - I never said I wanted to debate. I answered a few questions posed - it's what I do. I came on here as an individual, I'm not a representative of PASOTI - you added that label. I want nothing from this exchange, why would I? I am happy with PASOTI but thought I'd slum it

What would I have to "offer". I'm a poster, no more, no less.

PP you seem obsessed with there being a PASOTI party-line - I'm really not aware of one. I am known for my open-ness and honesty - if you believe there to be one - I am certainly not aware of it. Perhaps you could outline what this party-line is and in that way I could actually begin to understand what on earth you are talking about!!! It appears though, that as during your time on PASOTI, you spend a whole lot of time asking questions and very little answering them.