Accelerated staff payments ... possible scandal ?

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

Give up 125 - reasoned posting is not welcome here.

Well, actually, you're wrong yet again. Not doing too well lately - all getting a bit much for you no doubt.

Reasoned posting is actually encouraged on this site - as it has been in the past on Pasoti - but no longer unfortunately.

You need to learn that reasoned posting doesn't always have to agree with everything you say. You really are acting like a spoilt child on here - or spoilt President, in whichever guise you are currently posting.

Didn't think it would be long before you popped up.

Foul language, personal abuse, lies, fabrication - thats one days work for a couple of ATD posters............if thats the reasoned approach that you allow under your control at work then it must be a lovely place to be!

Compared with users of this site being labelled as vermin and scum by your best mate? Get your own house in order before you criticize others.

My house is well in order PP......glad to see you didn't deny the content of my post. At least we are making progress.

Mark Pedlar wrote:

. It would help both sites if everyone posted under their proper names would it not?

Would it ? why ? I can't think of any reason why it would. None whatsoever, in fact counter productive ... as Mr President has stated, there are many people who need to protect their identities when online. It's just another version of the "If you've got nothing to hide" routine that has been chucked around by the authoritarian lobby in this country for ever. There are many reasons why not, and you know darn well... we're not talking the war on terror here.
And why now after all these years ? what's changed apart from a few fans moving into the club and Pasoti becoming almost the new Baggo'.

penzancepirate wrote:

Mark Pedlar wrote:

. It would help both sites if everyone posted under their proper names would it not?

Would it ? why ? I can't think of any reason why it would. None whatsoever, in fact counter productive ... as Mr President has stated, there are many people who need to protect their identities when online.
And why now after all these years ? what's changed apart from a few fans moving into the club and Pasoti becoming almost the new Baggo'.

There are many genuine reasons.

Not sure you have any though PP other than you haven't got the guts to back up your fabricated posts by putting your name to them.

Chris Webb wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

Give up 125 - reasoned posting is not welcome here.

Well, actually, you're wrong yet again. Not doing too well lately - all getting a bit much for you no doubt.

Reasoned posting is actually encouraged on this site - as it has been in the past on Pasoti - but no longer unfortunately.

You need to learn that reasoned posting doesn't always have to agree with everything you say. You really are acting like a spoilt child on here - or spoilt President, in whichever guise you are currently posting.

Didn't think it would be long before you popped up.

Foul language, personal abuse, lies, fabrication - thats one days work for a couple of ATD posters............if thats the reasoned approach that you allow under your control at work then it must be a lovely place to be!

Compared with users of this site being labelled as vermin and scum by your best mate? Get your own house in order before you criticize others.

My house is well in order PP......glad to see you didn't deny the content of my post. At least we are making progress.

As you didn't deny the content of mine. I take it you'll be issuing orders to Mr Newell.

Yeah, the world is full of history where some people qualify for special dispensation and some don't.
I'm a libertarian ... you are far from one with your dogs. You need to take a rain check.

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

Give up 125 - reasoned posting is not welcome here.

Well, actually, you're wrong yet again. Not doing too well lately - all getting a bit much for you no doubt.

Reasoned posting is actually encouraged on this site - as it has been in the past on Pasoti - but no longer unfortunately.

You need to learn that reasoned posting doesn't always have to agree with everything you say. You really are acting like a spoilt child on here - or spoilt President, in whichever guise you are currently posting.

Didn't think it would be long before you popped up.

Foul language, personal abuse, lies, fabrication - thats one days work for a couple of ATD posters............if thats the reasoned approach that you allow under your control at work then it must be a lovely place to be!

Compared with users of this site being labelled as vermin and scum by your best mate? Get your own house in order before you criticize others.

My house is well in order PP......glad to see you didn't deny the content of my post. At least we are making progress.

As you didn't deny the content of mine. I take it you'll be issuing orders to Mr Newell.

I don't post on behalf of anyone but myself.

But what I will say is when you cut to the chase this site is dedicated in priority order to

1. Slagging off Ian Newell
2. Slagging off me
3. Slagging off Pasoti
4. Slagging off the GTs
5. Slagging off Peter Ridsdale
6. Slagging off Argyle.

When you are constantly poked you will react. Its human nature.

ATD - The only football site in the World where the discussion of football is bottom of the list of priorities.

penzancepirate wrote:

Yeah, the world is full of history where some people qualify for special dispensation and some don't.
I'm a libertarian ... you are far from one with your dogs. You need to take a rain check.

In other words I am right.

And in this case Ian Newell is also right.

You are so brave making accusations behind your keyboard but in the real world you won't even put your name to a post.

Pathetic.

Name calling again Chris?


Come on now, behave

Chris Webb wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

Yeah, the world is full of history where some people qualify for special dispensation and some don't.
I'm a libertarian ... you are far from one with your dogs. You need to take a rain check.

In other words I am right.

And in this case Ian Newell is also right.

You are so brave making accusations behind your keyboard but in the real world you won't even put your name to a post.

Pathetic.

I'll be ignoring your childish wind up posts on here from now on. You can carry on posting as much as you like, we don't ban folk for their opinion on Argyle.

Back to the questions of payments. I enquired before how the payments through fundraising being used to reduce the salary debt was any different from Heaney enquiring about doing the same. The reaction to him doing was "unleashing the dogs"-like.

If it was bad then how is it different or good now.

Genuine question.

GOB wrote:

Name calling again Chris?


Come on now, behave

All we need now is Rickler and Tring and the full ATD assault will be complete.

Failing to convince anybody but yourselves.

I am off to bed. Can't handle the standard of debate.

penzancepirate wrote:

Mark Pedlar wrote:

. It would help both sites if everyone posted under their proper names would it not?

Would it ? why ? I can't think of any reason why it would. None whatsoever, in fact counter productive ... as Mr President has stated, there are many people who need to protect their identities when online. It's just another version of the "If you've got nothing to hide" routine that has been chucked around by the authoritarian lobby in this country for ever. There are many reasons why not, and you know darn well... we're not talking the war on terror here.
And why now after all these years ? what's changed apart from a few fans moving into the club and Pasoti becoming almost the new Baggo'.

Taking on Gob's points, which I can see, perhaps I should have suggested using the same user names rather than their own names.

penzancepirate wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

Yeah, the world is full of history where some people qualify for special dispensation and some don't.
I'm a libertarian ... you are far from one with your dogs. You need to take a rain check.

In other words I am right.

And in this case Ian Newell is also right.

You are so brave making accusations behind your keyboard but in the real world you won't even put your name to a post.

Pathetic.

I'll be ignoring your childish wind up posts on here from now on. You can carry on posting as much as you like, we don't ban folk for their opinion on Argyle.

No and you also condone foul language, personal abuse and you personally fabricate things. Lovely.

Chris Webb wrote:

GOB wrote:

Name calling again Chris?


Come on now, behave

All we need now is Rickler and Tring and the full ATD assault will be complete.

Failing to convince anybody but yourselves.

I am off to bed. Can't handle the standard of debate.

Goodnight Chris

Chris Webb wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

Yeah, the world is full of history where some people qualify for special dispensation and some don't.
I'm a libertarian ... you are far from one with your dogs. You need to take a rain check.

In other words I am right.

And in this case Ian Newell is also right.

You are so brave making accusations behind your keyboard but in the real world you won't even put your name to a post.

Pathetic.

It really is a spurious argument that any post that is made by a poster with a username, and not using his or her real name, is any less valid.

It is also a tactic that's used when one can't think of a reasoned response.

Mark Pedlar wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

Mark Pedlar wrote:

. It would help both sites if everyone posted under their proper names would it not?

Would it ? why ? I can't think of any reason why it would. None whatsoever, in fact counter productive ... as Mr President has stated, there are many people who need to protect their identities when online. It's just another version of the "If you've got nothing to hide" routine that has been chucked around by the authoritarian lobby in this country for ever. There are many reasons why not, and you know darn well... we're not talking the war on terror here.
And why now after all these years ? what's changed apart from a few fans moving into the club and Pasoti becoming almost the new Baggo'.

Taking on Gob's points, which I can see, perhaps I should have suggested using the same user names rather than their own names.

It's good to have a well mannered debate Mark and I think there's valid point being made on both sides of the debate. However at the end of the day the government have issued guidelines when dealing with children, I expect this site will not be aligning itself with anything other then sound government advice.

Although it's nice to think of these sites as the pub on the corner, they are not really and there's a responsibility, both legal and moral, to protect users of such sites. In a perfect world, I would agree with you Mark, but it's not sadly.

Even so, who is to say that a users real name, is his real name?

Ere Greenie, you're not an Aviva boy.

GOB wrote:

It's good to have a well mannered debate Mark and I think there's valid point being made on both sides of the debate. However at the end of the day the government have issued guidelines when dealing with children, I expect this site will not be aligning itself with anything other then sound government advice.

Although it's nice to think of these sites as the pub on the corner, they are not really and there's a responsibility, both legal and moral, to protect users of such sites. In a perfect world, I would agree with you Mark, but it's not sadly.

Even so, who is to say that a users real name, is his real name?

Just call me Ed! Surprised to see you supporting the government though GOB! Seem to recall some other views being shared on RoTG in the old days!!

It's a different government now Mark that is more aligned to your views I believe, to the right?

Personally I am more of a left and right kinda guy, I find extremism, both left and right worrying.

Still, hate take the thread off track. What's your view regarding the trust Mark, happy with the progress?

I see I'm taking a pasting over on Pasoti by the usual suspect.
the abuse I took on that website for giving of my opinion was quite disgusting. Many people were witness to the fact I rarely bit and retaliated.
Now I see the latest fib is to say I used and use foul language all the time.
Any person who knows me knows I'm the sort to complain at people in a pub if their language is unacceptable. I would like to see them produce one post of mine on Pasoti where I used foul language, or on here for that matter...... a total fabrication and character assasination of a person that can't answer back ... typical bullies.
I see poor old Green for life is now receiving it in the neck for pointing out these people are doing me a disservice... and Compton green.
I know you were never a fan of my posting style Mark, but what on earth is going on over there ? is this some sort of Night of the Long Knives.

GOB wrote:

It's a different government now Mark that is more aligned to your views I believe, to the right?

Personally I am more of a left and right kinda guy, I find extremism, both left and right worrying.

Still, hate take the thread off track. What's your view regarding the trust Mark, happy with the progress?

Oh no mate - well to the left.

Trust - Haven't joined - never will. Can't see the point. Don't see the role they have other than for JB to say "we're engaging" and for them to say "we're part of the club".

PP - rejoin and answer then! Don't mank on here.

Chris Webb wrote:

I don't post on behalf of anyone but myself.

But what I will say is when you cut to the chase this site is dedicated in priority order to

1. Slagging off Ian Newell
2. Slagging off me
3. Slagging off Pasoti
4. Slagging off the GTs
5. Slagging off Peter Ridsdale
6. Slagging off Argyle.

When you are constantly poked you will react. Its human nature.

ATD - The only football site in the World where the discussion of football is bottom of the list of priorities.

Members on this site are now well into three figures. If your remarks are true for anyone on here the number would be in single figures. Every site has a few.

That's a shame Mark, you have plenty to say regarding the trust so why not join, or are you hoping to other avenues will be opened for you?

When someone is so vocal it's always good to see them join up to a recognised, grounded and fair establishment. I would have imagined the Trust would have been perfect for you to air your views?

GOB wrote:

That's a shame Mark, you have plenty to say regarding the trust so why not join, or are you hoping to other avenues will be opened for you?

When someone is so vocal it's always good to see them join up to a recognised, grounded and fair establishment. I would have imagined the Trust would have been perfect for you to air your views?

I have had little to say about the trust... other avenues?? Whooshed me there I'm afraid!

I'm not ready for the cardigans! All the clever people have left the Trust - can't see it going anywhere now. Can you - honestly?

Mark Pedlar wrote:

.......

Just call me Ed! Surprised to see you supporting the government though GOB! Seem to recall some other views being shared on RoTG in the old days!!

Mark, your responses are calm, measured and helpful both on here and on pasoti (at least as far as I have noticed ). I have just read your responses to green for life on pasoti. You made straightforward responses to (fairly) straightforward questions from him. I wish everybody on that site could do the same. I also wish that some of the people on here could behave similarly. And isn't that partly the point? This bad feeling has been built up over a period of time and, for some posters is mutual. That's life - but it really doesn't have to be broadcast far and wide. And, more importantly, it shouldn't have to degenerate into the internet's very own version of football hooliganism.

Frankly, I was disgusted with the rabble rousing on pasoti on Saturday night. (As I have on occasion at the mob attacks on here, particularly those on Chris Webb - smaller but vociferous). It began to feel like pasoti's very own McCarthy witch hunt. "You either do what "we" say and use your real name or we will consider you are unreliable and not one of us". Is that any different to the alleged behaviour of certain of the posters on here when they were posting over there? I personally had a very questionable pm from one of the gang and, by implication, I was one of those whose "loyalty" was being thrown into question. Threads appear to be modded inconsistently, at least, on there giving the impression, at least, that the modding process is carried out with an agenda. That may not be true - but it certainly appears that way. What appear to be perfectly reasonable questions expressed perfectly reasonably are subjected to abuse and scorn. Some of that is done by mods. The implication that there is an acceptable point of view and an unacceptable one is hard to dismiss, in my opinion. I don't know how to get around that. One option is that the modding process needs to be more transparent. Another is that the calmer mods exert some influence on the more vociferous and driven.

This is not about user names. It's about clashes between prominent posters on both sites. Unless they can sort their acts out together or separately then this ridiculous war will continue. This site has gained people as a direct response to the behaviour on pasoti. As I am sure some pasoti posters have had their allegiance confirmed by what they have personally read or been told about ATD. More worrying, I suspect that some people have dropped out completely. To state the bloody obvious, it needs sorting.

edited to add
I don't always agree with Penzance or his posting style (and have said as much) but the hounding he received on pasoti was ridiculous. I have never seen him using bad language (less than me and I don't do it often on here and never on pasoti) and yet that is now a label that has been attached to him. It is all very well to say, "Go on there and challenge". The consequences of anyone doing that are obvious!