EU referendum...THE RESULT...and aftermath...

harvetheslayer wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

There's deffo something up Johnsons sleeve.

Certainly. He knows a deal isnt coming. EU clearly aren't going to accept the latest Bozo bluster. They know it. Bozo knows it.

Bozo writes his request asking for an extension (pick a ditch Bozo) thereby complying with the Benn act and law and relies on Hungary applying the veto on that extension.
Simple as that. We end up walking off a cliff on 31st October

The French and Germans will put pressure on the Hungarians but thats all they can do.  I really hope these fanatics who shout "just leave" really suffer personally when it becomes clear to them the difficulty we will all be in subsequently

The winners.....Hedge Funds that have shorted Sterling and those that want a different coloured passport. You seriously couldnt make this shit up

Hungary aren't going to Veto an extension. The fact is you cannot lean on certain members of a bloc, this has been the case ever since David Davis thought you peel off the Germans so they could continue selling cars to us and with our attempts to bully the Irish.

Meanwhile the IFS have this to say
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The blame game has begun, with all sides throwing toys out of the pram.

DUP leader accusing Eire of trying to trap Northern Ireland in a customs union, stating the deal Boris has put forward has flushed out the real intentions of the Irish government.

The tactics are pretty clear. They'll be an extension, the Tories will blame parliament and Foreigners for not being able to leave and they'll be a snap election, which they may win but then again they may not.

Unless Johnson just manages to pull the plug on Oct 31st as most of the country want him to.

Yep, who knew we were voting for a deal 3 and a half years ago

Hugh Watt wrote:

The tactics are pretty clear. They'll be an extension, the Tories will blame parliament and Foreigners for not being able to leave and they'll be a snap election, which they may win but then again they may not.

I can't see the point of an extension, the EU aren't budging one iota. It will be a waste of time and increase the already heightened nervousness of UK business.

Boris (or Corbyn via a no confidence vote) might as well call for the general election immediately. Why bother pussyfooting about now that the EU has forcefully said non.

1)The Tories will probably win an election with a slight majority

2)  The Brexit Party will pull in more than a few votes no doubt

3) Lib Dems will possibly draw some extra votes too

4) I can't see Labour winning - they could have a mare of an election - , not with the track record Corbyn and some of his cabinet have. A great swathe of the population detest Corbyn and view him as a  major security risk

5) The SNP, no change there I expect. For them independence is all that matters deep down, all other stuff is secondary. Brexit just adds more wood to their fire

Bring on an election I say, let's just get it done and over with. I still maintain that should the UK leave with no deal things will work out ok eventually. It will be tough for awhile but, once that has subsided, the country will
be a better place than it is today - if however it does not, then I can see the EU welcoming back the UK with open arms and a " we told you so" .

The EU are making Brexit as difficult as they can, as awful as they can and as bureaucratic as they can. The reason for that is widely known.

Les Miserable wrote:

Yep, who knew we were voting for a deal 3 and a half years ago

Who knew we were voting to walk off a financial cliff 3 and a half years ago.

Judging by Beth Rigby and the guys on Sky they're of the mind there will be an extension to June offered by the EU but only if the commons agrees to vote on an election/referendum as opposed to no deal.
Zero doubt of the outcome of that.
Can kicked down the road with GE and referendum coming. The fault lies with both sides of the original referendum campaign who lied through their teeth to the electorate

Absolutely nobody voted for this current fiasco. Hopefully Bozo has located the right ditch

Doris is such a liar and coward he could never follow through with the ditch promise.

harvetheslayer wrote:

Judging by Beth Rigby and the guys on Sky they're of the mind there will be an extension to June offered by the EU but only if the commons agrees to vote on an election/referendum as opposed to no deal.

An "election/referendum"?  What is that?  They are hardly the same thing?

Harve himself won't have a clue.  Anybody else have any idea?

Ask me in three weeks.

Brexiteers V Remaniacs has as all the hallmarks of a new and exciting civil wor. What with Trump desperate for a ruck with anything and anyone, KJU desperate for a nuclear war, and Brazil's PM desperate to destroy the worlds largest green lung, I can't think of a more exciting time to be alive and be part of this despicable race called Hooman Beengs.

How lovely. How exciting. How feckin depressing!

No one's getting out of this alive

Just shows how much Sterling will move on any chatter of a potential new deal yesterday. Am I the only one who is thinking that even if Bozo and Leo can crunch a deal it then has to go back to the whole EU for approval.

At that point the bigger problem arrives of getting it through Parliament. Bozo removing the whip from 21 of his Tories could turn out to be fatal error

Odds on that even if we get to that point it'll be rejected again

Bojo has played a blinder by insisting deal or no deal, what a shame we wasted three years with apologetic hand wringing and gutless negotiating.
MPs will have to make the decision on deal or no deal, serves the feckers right.

Nicola Sturgeon has stated that she will not back a Corbyn led government - in whatever form - unless he submits a pledge to let Scotland have another independence referendum. She goes on to say Boris has got to go and an election called, she added that she will put in a request to the UK government this year to hold a Scottish independence referendum.

I was hoping Jezzer and Kier Starmer were hopefully going to at least take any deal brought back seriously but with DUP not exactly over the moon and SNP the and Lib Dems no chance I just cant see anything getting through the commons.
As quickly as Sterling rose thursday and friday its quite capable of dumping 5 cents again just as quick

Yep let's hope so.

VillageGreen wrote:

Nicola Sturgeon has stated that she will not back a Corbyn led government - in whatever form - unless he submits a pledge to let Scotland have another independence referendum.  She goes on to say Boris has got to go and an election called, she added that she will put in a request to the UK government this year to hold a Scottish independence referendum.

Personally with all the SNP's me, me, me, about Brexit and how it will effect Scotland I think if they have a referendum about independence then all of the UK should be given the vote as it will effect all of the UK.

Let them leave..... then we can bring back all the jobs that we transferred north of the border to help them out....such as official government departments and of course Naval installations.

Why should Sturgeon get another referendum on Brexit or Indy? She ignored the indyref one that they lost, she's ignored our Brexit referendum and now she wants two more? Best of five? Hypocritical twat of the highest order.

A, last minute deal will happen. Its all a load of blether

Whatever our views on the shortfalls of Government no matter what side of the fence we sit on the pomp and ceremony we just witnessed in the Lords with the Queens speech is simply unrivalled anywhere in the world.

Is this when the Queen is going to sack Bojo Harve?

Earwegoagain wrote:

Is this when the Queen is going to sack Bojo Harve?

Not before time when she does. Going to be fun and games this Saturday in the Commons make no mistake we're gonna need additional popcorn supplies.
The smart money (Sterling traders) are clearly today not so gung ho on any potential deal getting through the commons this month

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

Nicola Sturgeon has stated that she will not back a Corbyn led government - in whatever form - unless he submits a pledge to let Scotland have another independence referendum.  She goes on to say Boris has got to go and an election called, she added that she will put in a request to the UK government this year to hold a Scottish independence referendum.

Personally with all the SNP's me, me, me, about Brexit and how it will effect Scotland I think if they have a referendum about independence then all of the UK should be given the vote as it will effect all of the UK.

She is basically pointing the loaded gun at the head of Corbyn. Last night on 5live, this very topic was talked about for awhile and three Scottish callers were having a right old pop at each - two for leave the UK, one for remaining - and it was a pure popcorn moment.

Moving on to today, Corbyn has already said he will vote down whatever Boris has to offer, while the DUP are throwing the toys out of the pram. And for all that and more, we will no doubt remain where we are - in limboland.

Or at least until an election is called. Not a second referendum though, not needed and not wanted.

VillageGreen wrote:

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

Nicola Sturgeon has stated that she will not back a Corbyn led government - in whatever form - unless he submits a pledge to let Scotland have another independence referendum.  She goes on to say Boris has got to go and an election called, she added that she will put in a request to the UK government this year to hold a Scottish independence referendum.

Personally with all the SNP's me, me, me, about Brexit and how it will effect Scotland I think if they have a referendum about independence then all of the UK should be given the vote as it will effect all of the UK.

She is basically pointing the loaded gun at the head of Corbyn. Last night on 5live, this very topic was talked about for awhile and three Scottish callers were having a right old pop at each - two for leave the UK, one for remaining - and it was a pure popcorn moment.

Moving on to today,  Corbyn has already said he will vote down whatever Boris has to offer, while the DUP are throwing the toys out of the pram. And for all that and more, we will no doubt remain where we are - in limboland.

Or at least until an election is called. Not a second referendum though, not needed and not wanted.

I think it may have to end up in another referendum, same result as last time but MPs MUST agree to honour the outcome. The result is why the second ref has gone off the boil because they know the result they will get.