EU referendum...THE RESULT...and aftermath...

Sterling up again on possible deals. I'm bemused with the apparent level of excitement though. Its as if the general public are totally oblivious to the fact it has to be passed in the Commons and Bozo has currently a minus 45 majority. Like the idea of a 2 week technical extension though

Tell me how this is going to get through parliament serious question ??

It won't get through parliament, nor will it get passed by the EU summit for the simple reason you can't have any physical checks on the Irish border. The obvious answer was the NI only backstop but thats not gonna happen as it appears that Johnson is as beholden to the DUP as Theresa May was.

I imagine an extension will be requested to January and a GE will happen in December. Presume Johnson wins and takes us ou of the EU, any one thinking thats the end of it and we can all go back to a mythical 50s like scene is sorely mistaken. This aint going away for a long long time.

After yesterday's statement from The SNP regarding Catalonia and the imprisonment of several of its officials in Spain, have they stabbed themselves in the foot here. Should they be seeking support from EU countries on their independence plans and aspirations with the EU, surely Spain will not be keen now that The SNP have pledged support to Catalonia etc-etc.

Also, has Sturgeon considered the damage that will be caused to Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland should they ever leave the UK. The is bound to be aftershocks in such an event.

LOL, so after all that he's going to represent Theresa Mays deal, which was rejected 3 times but with a NI only backstop.

The only Brexit negotiations that matter are how many Billions he is going to bung the DUP to keep them quiet.

Hugh Watt wrote:

LOL, so after all that he's going to represent Theresa Mays deal, which was rejected 3 times but with a NI only backstop.

The only Brexit negotiations that matter are how many Billions he is going to bung the DUP to keep them quiet.

Not sure that's right, he's what the Beeb says,

"The backstop - the solution to border issues agreed by Theresa May - proved unpalatable to many MPs so Mr Johnson has come up with new proposals to dispense with it.
However, they would see Northern Ireland treated differently to the rest of the UK - something the DUP, among others, has great concerns about."

I'm not sure how much it will differ from the backstop and whether this deal immediately gives up our fishing waters again as Mays deal did, I'll guess well know soon. I stand with most leavers in that any deal will leave us so closely tied to the EU we may as well stay in. Just leave and take three years to do it so that everybody can plan, not that MPs would approve something so sensible.

Earwegoagain wrote:

Hugh Watt wrote:

LOL, so after all that he's going to represent Theresa Mays deal, which was rejected 3 times but with a NI only backstop.

The only Brexit negotiations that matter are how many Billions he is going to bung the DUP to keep them quiet.

Not sure that's right, he's what the Beeb says,

"The backstop - the solution to border issues agreed by Theresa May - proved unpalatable to many MPs so Mr Johnson has come up with new proposals to dispense with it.
However, they would see Northern Ireland treated differently to the rest of the UK - something the DUP, among others, has great concerns about."

I'm not sure how much it will differ from the backstop and whether this deal immediately gives up our fishing waters again as Mays deal did, I'll guess well know soon. I stand with most leavers in that any deal will leave us so closely tied to the EU we may as well stay in. Just leave and take three years to do it so that everybody can plan, not that MPs would approve something so sensible.

I suppose it isn't really a backstop any more as Johnson must have at some point conceded that there are no there alternative solutions.

I think the idea is a dual customs area, which would see Northern Ireland technically remain in the UK's customs area while practically operating as if it was in the EU's customs area, so you would have a border in the Irish sea with customs checks in the ports. Some kind of tracking system would be put in place on the goods. If they were sold in Northern Ireland, which has the UK tariff, the importer would get a rebate. If they were sold in the EU, then nothing happens. It sounds good in practise but less so theory, who for instance has jurisdiction in the event of a dispute?

Clearly Johnson is terrified of having to go to the EU for another extension but also mindful that he might need the DUP again. So he's got to get some homework handed in so he blame parliament when they reject it again.

DUP want no part of current deal "as it stands" according to breaking news on Sky....Sterling retracting
Ouch....

Thats it fecked then. If the DUP don't support it, they'll peel off a number of the more extreme ERG members and it won't pass a parliament vote. I suppose we shouldn't be surprised as they've insisted all along they want no divergence from UK rules and they aren't known for compromise.

And let's not forget that the MPs will only accept staying in the EU as an option, it's always been fecked.

The Grauns correspondent in Brussels says the deal is back on, DUP have been 'squared'

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I reckon that's cost the taxpayer £5 billion. Send the Monies to Arlene in Belfast

Done deal....now up to Parliament
Saturday could be explosive
Rigby on Sky saying she cant see where the numbers will come from

DUP saying nothing agreed yet.

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In a way numbers don't matter, he can now say he's tried for a deal and its Parliaments fault if we don't leave on 31st not his.

Hugh Watt wrote:

DUP saying nothing agreed yet.

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In a way numbers don't matter, he can now say he's tried for a deal and its Parliaments fault if we don't leave on 31st not his.

Wouldnt disagree with that. No deal has gone for ever. This is last chance saloon now and if its chucked out there is only one path left to follow
Or is it in fact ??
Bozo has got an amended deal (fair play indeed) so he's not obliged to ask for that extension so yes where do we go if its chucked out at the weekend ??
Can he leave under no deal at that point ?? Or is the Benn act still vaild ??

Will be brought back for a second time with a referendum attached if its fails the first passing so a delay.
Little doubt what a referendum would bring huge swing to remain

harvetheslayer wrote:

Hugh Watt wrote:

DUP saying nothing agreed yet.

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In a way numbers don't matter, he can now say he's tried for a deal and its Parliaments fault if we don't leave on 31st not his.

Wouldnt disagree with that. No deal has gone for ever. This is last chance saloon now and if its chucked out there is only one path left to follow
Or is it in fact ??
Bozo has got an amended deal (fair play indeed) so he's not obliged to ask for that extension so yes where do we go if its chucked out at the weekend ??
Can he leave under no deal at that point ??  Or is the Benn act still vaild ??

No.

The Benn act compels Johnson to ask for a three-month extension to the Article 50 negotiating period, to January 31, 2020, if MPs have not approved a Brexit deal – or explicitly authorised a No-Deal Brexit – by October 19.

The scumbag MPs should be asked to table a plan to follow if deal is voted down, not a ref, not an extension but an actual way forward to give the country and business some closure. Enough is enough. I've heard lots of people talking about protesting/rioting on 31st if we aren't out.

And almost immediately I read this,

"Anti-Brexit campaigners are to launch a legal bid to stop the UK government from putting its proposed withdrawal agreement before Parliament.
They believe it contravenes legislation preventing Northern Ireland forming part of a separate customs territory to Great Britain.
MPs are due to debate the agreement at a special Commons sitting on Saturday.
Campaigner Jo Maugham QC initially announced plans to petition Scotland's highest civil court on Thursday."

So we yet again have rich remainiacs using Scottish courts to try and thwart the will of almost everybody. Can't we sling some legal actions at these cnuts that hate any kind of democracy? This is getting farcical.

Its not just the "remainiacs" doing this. Had the DUP and ERG voted for Theresa Mays deal we would have left the single markets, customs union and be out of the jurisdiction of the ECJ by now.

In fact Iain Duncan Smith has just been on TV in the psat half an hour saying he didn't know whether he would for vote the new deal.

And what do they all actually want Hugh? No Brexit simple as, they can dress it up all they like but that is the truth.
No deal car crashing off Beachy Head is still firmly on the table ( or up Bojos sleeve).

Are you seriously saying Iain Duncan Smith and the ERG want no Brexit?

The remainiac elite and the remaniac establishment simply don't want Brexit. They will reject any offer that BoJo comes back with from meetings with the EU.


As ears say's. I reckon BoJo knows, his new deal hasn't a chance in hell of getting through Saturday's vote in the HoC. Quite spectacular theatre by Johnson. Imho, he's ready to drop a bombshell when his deal is rejected by the oppo, DUP and God knows who else on Saturday! Especially now the EU says there will also be no further extensions.



It's all very exciting, init!

P.O.I wrote:

The remainiac elite and the remaniac establishment simply don't want Brexit. They will reject any offer that BoJo comes back with from meetings with the EU.


As ears say's. I reckon BoJo knows, his new deal hasn't a chance in hell of getting through Saturday's vote in the HoC. Quite spectacular theatre by Johnson. Imho, he's ready to drop a bombshell when his deal is rejected by the oppo, DUP and God knows who else on Saturday! Especially now the EU says there will also be no further extensions.



It's all very exciting, init!

The EU aren't saying no further extension, its a comment by made by Juncker in order to sell the deal which has a evenish chance of making it through, as we speak European leaders are lining up to contradict the drunken twat.

Regardless UK law says he has to ask for the extension whether it is granted or not but it will be granted.

As for the deal, its a shit on a stick cobbled together in a couple of days under high pressure but better than no deal. Which is why it will be a close run thing.

P.O.I wrote:

The remainiac elite and the remaniac establishment simply don't want Brexit. They will reject any offer that BoJo comes back with from meetings with the EU.


As ears say's. I reckon BoJo knows, his new deal hasn't a chance in hell of getting through Saturday's vote in the HoC. Quite spectacular theatre by Johnson. Imho, he's ready to drop a bombshell when his deal is rejected by the oppo, DUP and God knows who else on Saturday! Especially now the EU says there will also be no further extensions.



It's all very exciting, init!

Yep everybody is focusing on the actions of the Luddites whilst Bojos real plots and schemes are hidden up his sleeve. At the end of the day we are being held to ransom by several minority factions that although they have the power to feck up any progress to get out of this shitfest by voting down each and every solution put to them they couldn't agree on a way forward with any of their rivals to provide a solution.

Brexit fatigue will see Johnson's deal triumph

Elias wrote:

Brexit fatigue will see Johnson's deal triumph

Just catching up and I think you may well have nailed it.