EU referendum...THE RESULT...and aftermath...

Earwegoagain wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

Personally I don't accept the vote to delay Brexit.

By much of your own reasoning and many of your own posts: tough.

This is British sovereignty (the main reason you voted Leave, wasn't it?) asserting itself via the primacy of Parliament.

You have no right to complain about it because this is exactly what you have said many times is the main thing that inspired you to vote Leave.

It's just to easy. On a serious note why should anyone accept the result of any future referendum, general election or even a local council vote based on the outcome of the last referendum they mean feck all. Along with the majority of the country I didn't vote for a deal that keeps us in Europe I voted to leave. If we hadn't had the whole process hijacked by remain MPs we could have been planning for No Deal or "leaving the EU" as it used to be known for the last two years. It's only a cliff edge disaster movie scenario if you don't plan for it.
Whatever happens now whether staying in with a deal or no deal at least I can sleep soundly in the knowledge that his feckin car crash is feck all to do with any leavers and more to do with a Remainer press, Gvernment and people like yourself making yourself deaf bleating n about Aron Banks and Tommy Robinson in your FB echo chambers.

The Leave campaign was centered around what a great deal they'd get with the EU. You may not have voted for a deal, but there are many Leave voters who did - Harve for example - so the idea that Leave voters have feck all to do with this is ridiculous.

Many of the Leave MPs have voted against May's deal because they think they can get a better one. If planning for No Deal hasn't happened, it might be because the majority from both sides thought that a deal could be done. But it's more likely just because the current cabinet couldn't find their arse with both hands.

No Deal has been a car crash from the start. Even the ERG don't deny that the economy will get a kicking, they just claim that it will be short term (something that I think is wildly optimistic.)

To be fair Jacob Rees-Mogg did say it would take us 50 years to see the benefit.

Obviously it has taken him far less time and he's £7m up already but it'll take us 50 years.

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Jacob Rees-Mogg wrote:

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Sir Francis Drake wrote:

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There's that pesky word, "might" again...

Jacob Rees Mogg and Frannie are opposite sides of the same coin, they are even look the same.

MikeWN wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

Personally I don't accept the vote to delay Brexit.

By much of your own reasoning and many of your own posts: tough.

This is British sovereignty (the main reason you voted Leave, wasn't it?) asserting itself via the primacy of Parliament.

You have no right to complain about it because this is exactly what you have said many times is the main thing that inspired you to vote Leave.

It's just to easy. On a serious note why should anyone accept the result of any future referendum, general election or even a local council vote based on the outcome of the last referendum they mean feck all. Along with the majority of the country I didn't vote for a deal that keeps us in Europe I voted to leave. If we hadn't had the whole process hijacked by remain MPs we could have been planning for No Deal or "leaving the EU" as it used to be known for the last two years. It's only a cliff edge disaster movie scenario if you don't plan for it.
Whatever happens now whether staying in with a deal or no deal at least I can sleep soundly in the knowledge that his feckin car crash is feck all to do with any leavers and more to do with a Remainer press, Gvernment and people like yourself making yourself deaf bleating n about Aron Banks and Tommy Robinson in your FB echo chambers.

The Leave campaign was centered around what a great deal they'd get with the EU. You may not have voted for a deal, but there are many Leave voters who did - Harve for example - so the idea that Leave voters have feck all to do with this is ridiculous.

Many of the Leave MPs have voted against May's deal because they think they can get a better one. If planning for No Deal hasn't happened, it might be because the majority from both sides thought that a deal could be done. But it's more likely just because the current cabinet couldn't find their arse with both hands.

No Deal has been a car crash from the start. Even the ERG don't deny that the economy will get a kicking, they just claim that it will be short term (something that I think is wildly optimistic.)

Blame the leavers when we leave. This is the result of trying to stay in.

Hugh Watt wrote:

The only sensible thing is to revoke article 50 whilst we still can, even then that won't reverse the utter tits we have made of ourselves since 2010.

That may well be the only option left next week when the remaining EU 27 vote on an extension

Earwegoagain wrote:

Jacob Rees Mogg and Frannie are opposite sides of the same coin, they are even look the same.

Ten to fifteen stone aside

Comes to some thing when a former Argyle major sponsor blocks me on FB purely because of my views on Brexit and leaving in an orderly manner rather than walking off a cliff face as he and Wozzer advocates
Unreal simple as...

Lord Melbury wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

Jacob Rees Mogg and Frannie are opposite sides of the same coin, they are even look the same.

Ten to fifteen stone aside

harvetheslayer wrote:

Comes to some thing when a former Argyle major sponsor blocks me on FB purely because of my views on Brexit and leaving in an orderly manner rather than walking off a cliff face as he and Wozzer advocates
Unreal simple as...

Maybe he blocked you because he thinks you should man up, stop being so dramatic and probably thinks like I do that you've been a remainer all along.

Bercrow pulls four hundred year law out of his arse to frustrate not only Brexit but literally any sort of progress for either side. Absolute bunch of Frannies.

Earwegoagain wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Comes to some thing when a former Argyle major sponsor blocks me on FB purely because of my views on Brexit and leaving in an orderly manner rather than walking off a cliff face as he and Wozzer advocates
Unreal simple as...

Maybe he blocked you because he thinks you should man up, stop being so dramatic and probably thinks like I do that you've been a remainer all along.

WTF you on about lol. If I wanted to remain I would have voted remain in 2016. I voted out but have always advocated you cant just "walk away" from 45 years of marriage as if it didnt exist.
If there ever was a 2nd referendum yes I would now vote remain. Man up FFS dear oh dear

Trust thats clear enough for you

I think Bercow was right to do what he did.  No use politicians now crying because they won't be able to vote through May's 'deal' despite already having voted the exact very same deal down twice. They had their chance and should have taken it. No deal is not an option despite what the headbangers think.  Is brexit dead?  As a remainer I hope so.

Earwegoagain wrote:

Bercrow pulls four hundred year law out of his arse to frustrate not only Brexit but literally any sort of progress for either side. Absolute bunch of Frannies.

Freudian slip, shorly!

Freathy wrote:

I think Bercow was right to do what he did.  No use politicians now crying because they won't be able to vote through May's 'deal' despite already having voted the exact very same deal down twice. They had their chance and should have taken it. No deal is not an option despite what the headbangers think.  Is brexit dead?  As a remainer I hope so.

I don't think Bercrow was right at all and that is with me completely putting my cliff edge disaster head to one side. What the country needs one way or another is a feckin solution, the uncertainty is slowly killing the country. This is more likely to lead to the saga dragging on than booting Mays deal out yet again this week. The EU are in utter disbelief at Bercrows actions and they are as Remainer as they come.

harvetheslayer wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Comes to some thing when a former Argyle major sponsor blocks me on FB purely because of my views on Brexit and leaving in an orderly manner rather than walking off a cliff face as he and Wozzer advocates
Unreal simple as...

Maybe he blocked you because he thinks you should man up, stop being so dramatic and probably thinks like I do that you've been a remainer all along.

WTF you on about lol. If I wanted to remain I would have voted remain in 2016. I voted out but have always advocated you cant just "walk away" from 45 years of marriage as if it didnt exist.
If there ever was a 2nd referendum yes I would now vote remain. Man up FFS dear oh dear

Trust thats clear enough for you

It's the emotive language that galls me most. We have Remain, we have leave with a deal or we have have leave with no deal. No cliffs or disasters involved. By buying into the Remainer language you along with the Remainer press have literally tied the hands of the government by taking away the one real bargaining chip that we had ie actually being prepared to walk away with no deal.

Theresa May has shown nothing but contempt for parliament since the get go. She tried to deny it a vote on A50, she tried to deny it a vote on whatever deal she cobbled together, she has loaded motions with statutory instruments she has ignored oppositon day motions, she was found to be in contempt of parliament, something that in normal times would have triggered her resignation.

Now her chickens are coming home to roost and parliament is biting back hard.

Her only interest in securing a Brexit that doesn't immediately screw the country and ensuring her legacy, the backstop will screw us when we enter it a few years on but that will be someone elses problem .

Hugh Watt wrote:

Theresa May has shown nothing but contempt for parliament since the get go. She tried to deny it a vote on A50, she tried to deny it a vote on whatever deal she cobbled together, she has loaded motions with statutory instruments she has ignored oppositon day motions, she was found to be in contempt of parliament, something that in normal times would have triggered her resignation.

Now her chickens are coming home to roost and parliament is biting back hard.

Her only interest in securing a Brexit that doesn't immediately screw the country and ensuring her legacy, the backstop will screw us when we enter it a few years on but that will be someone elses problem .

Yeah, I think pretty much everyone in the HoP realises that Brexit is a shitty stick, and they're keen for someone else to pick it up. Even Corbyn, who was been anti-EU for his whole career, looks like he'd much rather the Tories got a few years of everyone really hating them so he can try and pick up the pieces.

The obvious exceptions are the hardline No Deal types who tend to be either barking mad (the DUP, Mark Francois etc) or opportunists who stand to benefit financially, politically, or both (Rees-Mogg, Boris etc.) They've have already realised that they can just blame the financial impact of Brexit on Remoaners and the EU. The divisions are so deep and bitter now that the people who side with them will believe anything they say, and they have no interest in reaching out to anyone else.

Earwegoagain wrote:

MikeWN wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

Personally I don't accept the vote to delay Brexit.

By much of your own reasoning and many of your own posts: tough.

This is British sovereignty (the main reason you voted Leave, wasn't it?) asserting itself via the primacy of Parliament.

You have no right to complain about it because this is exactly what you have said many times is the main thing that inspired you to vote Leave.

It's just to easy. On a serious note why should anyone accept the result of any future referendum, general election or even a local council vote based on the outcome of the last referendum they mean feck all. Along with the majority of the country I didn't vote for a deal that keeps us in Europe I voted to leave. If we hadn't had the whole process hijacked by remain MPs we could have been planning for No Deal or "leaving the EU" as it used to be known for the last two years. It's only a cliff edge disaster movie scenario if you don't plan for it.
Whatever happens now whether staying in with a deal or no deal at least I can sleep soundly in the knowledge that his feckin car crash is feck all to do with any leavers and more to do with a Remainer press, Gvernment and people like yourself making yourself deaf bleating n about Aron Banks and Tommy Robinson in your FB echo chambers.

The Leave campaign was centered around what a great deal they'd get with the EU. You may not have voted for a deal, but there are many Leave voters who did - Harve for example - so the idea that Leave voters have feck all to do with this is ridiculous.

Many of the Leave MPs have voted against May's deal because they think they can get a better one. If planning for No Deal hasn't happened, it might be because the majority from both sides thought that a deal could be done. But it's more likely just because the current cabinet couldn't find their arse with both hands.

No Deal has been a car crash from the start. Even the ERG don't deny that the economy will get a kicking, they just claim that it will be short term (something that I think is wildly optimistic.)

Blame the leavers when we leave. This is the result of trying to stay in.

In part, although it would be disingenuous to think that Leavers would just go 'okay, you got us - do anything you like and we'll sit here quietly' after a narrow defeat. Leave has never shut up, it's just that had very little political clout until relatively recently.

But it's also the result of negotiating a satisfactory deal with EU being hard/impossible despite Leave assuring us that the EU would fall into line in short order. No one's hands are clean in this mess.

MikeWN wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

MikeWN wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

Personally I don't accept the vote to delay Brexit.

By much of your own reasoning and many of your own posts: tough.

This is British sovereignty (the main reason you voted Leave, wasn't it?) asserting itself via the primacy of Parliament.

You have no right to complain about it because this is exactly what you have said many times is the main thing that inspired you to vote Leave.

It's just to easy. On a serious note why should anyone accept the result of any future referendum, general election or even a local council vote based on the outcome of the last referendum they mean feck all. Along with the majority of the country I didn't vote for a deal that keeps us in Europe I voted to leave. If we hadn't had the whole process hijacked by remain MPs we could have been planning for No Deal or "leaving the EU" as it used to be known for the last two years. It's only a cliff edge disaster movie scenario if you don't plan for it.
Whatever happens now whether staying in with a deal or no deal at least I can sleep soundly in the knowledge that his feckin car crash is feck all to do with any leavers and more to do with a Remainer press, Gvernment and people like yourself making yourself deaf bleating n about Aron Banks and Tommy Robinson in your FB echo chambers.

The Leave campaign was centered around what a great deal they'd get with the EU. You may not have voted for a deal, but there are many Leave voters who did - Harve for example - so the idea that Leave voters have feck all to do with this is ridiculous.

Many of the Leave MPs have voted against May's deal because they think they can get a better one. If planning for No Deal hasn't happened, it might be because the majority from both sides thought that a deal could be done. But it's more likely just because the current cabinet couldn't find their arse with both hands.

No Deal has been a car crash from the start. Even the ERG don't deny that the economy will get a kicking, they just claim that it will be short term (something that I think is wildly optimistic.)

Blame the leavers when we leave. This is the result of trying to stay in.

In part, although it would be disingenuous to think that Leavers would just go 'okay, you got us - do anything you like and we'll sit here quietly' after a narrow defeat. Leave has never shut up, it's just that had very little political clout until relatively recently.

But it's also the result of negotiating a satisfactory deal with EU being hard/impossible despite Leave assuring us that the EU would fall into line in short order. No one's hands are clean in this mess.

I believe we all share a lot of common ground in all this and I'd also echo Hugh's words about May. The whole lot of them are a feckin disgrace from both sides and front to back benches. I have never supported Mays deal and I never thought we'd get a good deal but I really can't see why remainers are tying Mays hands when it's looking more and more likely that it's Mays deal or no deal? Remember at the moment we leave with no deal in about ten days and it's up to the EU not us to offer an extension to article 50. If we wait until June we will see loads more firms pulling out and laying off staff the uncertainty, one way or another has to end.

I thought this was all about taking back control?

Y'know: Britain's laws as chosen by British parliament being sovereign and all that.

Erskine & May is the written embodiment of the hundreds of years of parliamentary acts, amendments and precedents that is the British constitution.

It is the Speaker's job, in fact his raison d'etre, to see that everybody in parliament respects and adheres to those traditions and Erskine & May appears to be quite explictly clear, unusually so, on this very matter and the issue has been so deeply embedded in parliamentary procedure that it has been since the 1920s that anybody has even thought to attempt to transgress and Theresa May has been especially dunderheaded not to realise this.

If your reasoning really is anything at all to do with "taking back control" and the British sovereignty you should be doing cartwheels and proclaiming deep admiration for the Speaker from the rooftops.

Anything else is suggests you don't really give a toss about parliament and British sovereignty.

It’s Erskine May! One bloke, not two you ignorant moron.

Is it?

Thanks for the correction.

It makes all the difference.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I thought this was all about taking back control?

Y'know: Britain's laws as chosen by British parliament being sovereign and all that.

Erskine & May is the written embodiment of the hundreds of years of parliamentary acts, amendments and precedents that is the British constitution.

It is the Speaker's job, in fact his raison d'etre, to see that everybody in parliament respects and adheres to those traditions and Erskine & May appears to be quite explictly clear, unusually so, on this very matter and the issue has been so deeply embedded in parliamentary procedure that it has been since the 1920s that anybody has even thought to attempt to transgress and Theresa May has been especially dunderheaded not to realise this.

If your reasoning really is anything at all to do with "taking back control" and the British sovereignty you should be doing cartwheels and proclaiming deep admiration for the Speaker from the rooftops.

Anything else is suggests you don't really give a toss about parliament and British sovereignty.

Who exactly has control of parliament now? You miss the point again and again, even I'm embarrassed for you and I can't stand you. If you want to engage me in argument then quote what I actually say not some imagined phrase heard in your echo chambers. Stupid cnut.