The Mankover all action Thread.

Earwegoagain wrote:

P.O.I wrote:

Jethro wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Assume everyone has seen that PM or had it passed around last night as the originator had okayed that scenario ??
Surprised no one has mentioned it overnight though ??  I cant copy and paste it without his/her permission as a member here but will do if given it

In precis the grandstand is fecked and no attempt at refurbishment should ever have started and simply wont take the anticipated bodge
The original contractor threw it back at Brent saying no way would his company ruin its reputation by getting involved

I wouldn't want to sit up there with the extra weight sat on them steels, they are fecked

They did look a bit fooked judging by those pics on here last week. Likewise, there's no way (not that I ever would) I will be sitting in that death trap. That steel looked fooked even without the couple of hundred ton yet to go back on - plus a few thousand punters! Bollox to that.

Those steels will need at least five coats of magic paint to stabilise them.

You and your fooking magic steel paint, FFS!

P.O.I wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

P.O.I wrote:

Jethro wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Assume everyone has seen that PM or had it passed around last night as the originator had okayed that scenario ??
Surprised no one has mentioned it overnight though ??  I cant copy and paste it without his/her permission as a member here but will do if given it

In precis the grandstand is fecked and no attempt at refurbishment should ever have started and simply wont take the anticipated bodge
The original contractor threw it back at Brent saying no way would his company ruin its reputation by getting involved

I wouldn't want to sit up there with the extra weight sat on them steels, they are fecked

They did look a bit fooked judging by those pics on here last week. Likewise, there's no way (not that I ever would) I will be sitting in that death trap. That steel looked fooked even without the couple of hundred ton yet to go back on - plus a few thousand punters! Bollox to that.

Those steels will need at least five coats of magic paint to stabilise them.

You and your fooking magic steel paint, FFS!

Found in the same section of b&q as the glass hammers and sky hooks

Earwegoagain wrote:

MikeWN wrote:

So did they start this whole thing off with no structural survey? Or are these latent defects? Or (worst option) is this PM suggesting that they had a survey done and ignored the results?

The first option would be idiocy, considering the sums involved. The second would be a bummer, but unfortunately these things do happen occasionally - not every defect is apparent before strip-out.

The third option would be, to put it very mildly, not good...

The whole project has reeked of amateur inefficiency from the start. We both said at the start that a project this size needs proper management.
if this is where we are at now the board should resign, bring the administrators in and hand the keys to the AFT. 
I'd like to see the pm please.

Jubbs have been involved from the start, as have ADG. My experiences of Jubb's isn't great, but they are no mugs. Likewise, we've worked with ADG, and they know their stuff. Like most architects, they can be a bit optimistic about how much space you need to squeeze the structure in, but they're generally smart people. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't some kind of survey done and numbers run early on. I'm guessing these issues were ones that have been uncovered during strip out? But who knows.

Like you say, I think we both raised eyebrows about a newbie Project Manager taking on something this big. The job is easy when everything goes to plan - it's when things go wrong that you earn your corn!

I'm pretty sure that all exposed steel in this type of building has to be fire retardant painted but obviously that is new construction - never heard of magic paint for 70 year old stuff, to hold it up??!!

Everyone acknowledges the source was A1
God help Brent if anything subsequently collapses now or in the future

Most posters on this forum said the Moanflower was a sixty year old pile of rusting crap that should have been taken down, problems for the future methinks. Typical Argo.

It should have been torn down in 2004...

Any of this potentially seismic news found it's way onto the farmyard yet?

Thought not

Punchdrunk wrote:

Any of this potentially seismic news found it's way onto the farmyard yet?

Thought not

Rest assured it would have been screenshot by the piss-stained fake yank and passed onto his Jedi master, Obi Pig Kanobi.

Punchdrunk wrote:

Any of this potentially seismic news found it's way onto the farmyard yet?

Thought not

the piggery wont allow such facts.

I've managed to find this pic from before Christmas. The rusty crap shack has been strengthened so at least someone is trying to sort this mess out.  But is there anything else that has not been found????

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^^^

Frightening but typical of the Bodge laid bare by our whistleblower....

Hugh Watt wrote:

Basically Brent approached a SW Chartered surveyors firm who strongly advised him to demolish the existing structure & build a completely new stand and that the mankover would be an inadequate bodge. Said firm did not want to touch Mankover with a bargepole.

from a reliable poster as well.

Reliable? You have got to be kidding!

I'd like to see the PM please if that's ok?

At what point does refurb of the grandstand become more costly than just having knocked it flat and starting over in the first instance.

Or has that point been passed already?

shonbo wrote:

I'd like to see the PM please if that's ok?

same here

lawnmowerman wrote:

I've managed to find this pic from before Christmas. The rusty crap shack has been strengthened so at least someone is trying to sort this mess out.  But is there anything else that has not been found????

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Very reassuring lol. Think next time I pay £24 for my dose of footballing despair I will sit on the Lyndhurst end of the Demport - just in case.

Angry wrote:

shonbo wrote:

I'd like to see the PM please if that's ok?

same here

Ditto

£7.99 for 250 ml. Sorted. (Might need more than one tin.)

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Hammerite is Shite

lawnmowerman wrote:

I've managed to find this pic from before Christmas. The rusty crap shack has been strengthened so at least someone is trying to sort this mess out.  But is there anything else that has not been found????

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What company is willing to take a risk on Brent and their reputation by doing that bodge.....
Should name and shame.

Unreal Jethro unreal a bit of half inch plate reinforcement with bolts so small the bodger can use a battery powered windy gun to tighten the nuts.

Brent and Hallett come clean for christs sake.  Brents shenanigans over this latest fiasco has spread far and wide already over 36 hours

Guests reading this thread should contact the club and express disgust that this time Brents inept bungling will potentially put people at risk over this proposed bodge structure not fit for purpose and should be condemned forthwith
Goes without saying I already have

Biggs on the Farm mentioning how small the changing rooms are and Dunlops response has Brent written all over it

"I said exactly the same when I saw the footings go in, I have been told since that the plans were passed by Argyle and then after the foundations were laid realised it was going to be too small and were not prepared to meet the cost to make them larger"

harvetheslayer wrote:

Unreal Jethro unreal a bit of half inch plate reinforcement with bolts so small the bodger can use a battery powered windy gun to tighten the nuts.

Brent and Hallett come clean for christs sake.  Brents shenanigans over this latest fiasco has spread far and wide already over 36 hours

Guests reading this thread should contact the club and express disgust that this time Brents inept bungling will potentially put people at risk over this proposed bodge structure not fit for purpose and should be condemned forthwith
Goes without saying I already have

Exactly, whichever company whos men are on that need to be called out.

I will fire off an email in a bit , but judging by the lack of response to other people from this forum,
I don't have much hope,
is dunsford still having his sit downs with fans ? bet that has stopped after the first few,

harvetheslayer wrote:

Biggs on the Farm mentioning how small the changing rooms are and Dunlops response has Brent written all over it

"I said exactly the same when I saw the footings go in, I have been told since that the plans were passed by Argyle and then after the foundations were laid realised it was going to be too small and were not prepared to meet the cost to make them larger"

What a half arsed amateur bunch of wank stains