Statement from President on Chanting

A welcome statement, but he really does love himself doesn't he?

Very welcome. Hopefully the educational programme will include an explanation of why yesterday's chants were racist.

There's nothing 'contengious' about the law Webby.

Better late than never I suppose, although horses and stable doors spring to mind.

Forget Chris Webb and PASOTI and it's Green delusions,would ask people to complain to the club and James Brent directly questioning their "customer experience".

The whole 'ultras' thing is undoubtedly well intentioned but is naive in the extreme.

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If you want an non-racist supporters group, don't name it after a Right wing supporters group.

The Football Authorities have a "Kick-it-out programme to address the issue of racism, are PAFC not supporting this initiative? If they are, why ask for support from the TUC to deal with football related rascism

Trinny you've upset webby-

Chris_Webb1: Once again people falsely labelling FV1886 as an 'Ultra' group. It is not, has never been and will never be. #whymakeitup? #pafc

As John Petrie has posted on Pasoti, FV is a non racist group, but the chants could be deemed as racially offensive (even if those chanting it didn't mean it to be or were aware of the nature).

Chris Webb's admission of a training programme for FV (in his statement) and Home Park suggests there is some acceptance that this was not acceptable (even if wasn't meant to be)

and now this from MartynArgyle Pearce (who has been quiet of late) about continued racism in Block4-

for a few weeks now i have been disgusted at the level of rasism within our own fans!
firstly i think people should have a look at the colour of some of our players and realise that by shouting to an opposing player on the basis of his colour isnt just aimed at him but at the whole group of players that play for both sides.
now it may just be that these people think they are shouting banter but its not banter its pure hatred and really has no place in the ground.
for all the stupid things people get thrown out the ground for like banging the boards at the back of the Devonport end, i think its time we had police at the back and arrested people for racist remarks.
where are all the signs about racism around the stadium?
if you look around the stadium how many black fans do we see?
im pretty certain that there are plenty of different race fans out there and these people should be made welcome at the ground not fearful because of racist views.
time to sort this out, and one other thing do my kids need to hear the constant use of the c word in the stands?
this isnt what football is about its meant to be inviting for everyone i dont teach my kids the c word so i would like to see this stamped out too.
and for anyone that thinks im being ott come stand with me in block 4 at the back and youll see what i mean

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Chemical Ali wrote:

Trinny you've upset webby-

Chris_Webb1: Once again people falsely labelling FV1886 as an 'Ultra' group. It is not, has never been and will never be. #whymakeitup? #pafc

As John Petrie has posted on Pasoti, FV is a non racist group, but the chants could be deemed as racially offensive (even if those chanting it didn't mean it to be or were aware of the nature).

Chris Webb's admission of a training programme for FV (in his statement) and Home Park suggests there is some acceptance that this was not acceptable (even if wasn't meant to be)

Presumably, then, Postey will be getting busy changing the title of this thread fairly sharpish.

I'm sorry but I'm sure I 've seen Ultras mentioned at the beginning of all this. I would check on Pasoti but a lot of threads strangely disappear from there these days. Maybe we should call it the X Files ! ?

If I am wrong , I apologise. Thought it was all part of the big flag and drum experience.

ps when do the flares start appearing ?

pps good to see he still looks in on the freaks , weirdos and vile scum, he is meant to be representing, instead of dictating to !

ppps so 'officially' it no longer has the original 'ultras' tag but 'realistically' with the flags and drum, is going to attract a certain element.

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Chemical Ali wrote:

Chris_Webb1: Once again people falsely labelling FV1886 as an 'Ultra' group. It is not, has never been and will never be. #whymakeitup? #pafc

I'm really trying not to make this personal, but what was this about then?

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No, they're not an ultras group. Thankfully. But as I've already said this morning, they use at least some of the language and symbolism of such a group.

Peggy wrote:

Chemical Ali wrote:

Chris_Webb1: Once again people falsely labelling FV1886 as an 'Ultra' group. It is not, has never been and will never be. #whymakeitup? #pafc

I'm really trying not to make this personal, but what was this about then?

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No, they're not an ultras group. Thankfully. But as I've already said this morning, they use at least some of the language and symbolism of such a group.

The Eighth post in on that thread. Ryan Ferguson. The lad's a comedy genius.

Peggy wrote:

Chemical Ali wrote:

Chris_Webb1: Once again people falsely labelling FV1886 as an 'Ultra' group. It is not, has never been and will never be. #whymakeitup? #pafc

I'm really trying not to make this personal, but what was this about then?

(Apologies if the link comes up with highlighting on it and hurts people's eyes )

No, they're not an ultras group. Thankfully. But as I've already said this morning, they use at least some of the language and symbolism of such a group.

Weeeeem naaaaat ultraaaaas ! Drop the word.............. that's ok then !


Quick postcode ! Delete delete delete !

Don't think anyone has seen or copied it.

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ps how the hell did forze verde win that poll ? The average Janner wouldn't even be able to pronounce it !

Two good spots from Andy and Peggy.
There it is ........ "THE FORMAL BIRTH OF THE ARGYLE ULTRAS"................ in Chris's own words.... how can he now say differently, and imply posters on this site have made things up ? No one is saying anything is officially linked to a right wing organisation, that's just plain stupid, BUT I'm sure Chris Webb has been around long enough to understand how a 'sexed up' name and image can encourage certain folk. What did actually happen to corny and unsexy "The Green Army" I wonder ? ... why was THE most popular name suggestion just shelved ?

If Chris Webb can use his Brent Youth as a force to combat racism then he will have a lot of support in that endeavour. In view of what has shown it's head, he needs to act quickly.

Peggy wrote:

Chemical Ali wrote:

Chris_Webb1: Once again people falsely labelling FV1886 as an 'Ultra' group. It is not, has never been and will never be. #whymakeitup? #pafc

I'm really trying not to make this personal, but what was this about then?

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No, they're not an ultras group. Thankfully. But as I've already said this morning, they use at least some of the language and symbolism of such a group.

So Forza Verde is in no way an Ultras group, but when Chris Webb came up with the idea he called it The Argyle Ultras? Not sure if anyone has a twatter account and if you can tweet links, but if they can then it would be interesting to see his views then. Would suggest someone quoting his tweet and posting the original thread on Pasoti, but we all know what would happen to that.

Anyway, the statement he issued on Pasoti this morning will help, and so will the additional measures he will explain next week. I wish this had happened a month or so ago but he can't take any criticism or anyone questioning his judgement. He knows how munch clout his posts and opinions carry, and he plays up to that when it suits him.

He admits FV was his idea and there is still a thread called Todays Atmosphere or something like that on the Forze Verde section on Pasoti, where the guy who reported the chanting is having the piss taken out of him. If any posts have been deleted or removed while I type this then I can only assure you that they were there.

I'm with Peggy on this one, it doesn't matter what WE consider to be racist, it's what the LAW states, and chanting g*po is racist chanting. Banter has always been part of football crowds, and without it the atmosphere does become stifled, but years ago bananas were thrown at black players and no-one batted an eyelid, doesn't mean it's fine to do it now.

And it's all very well for people to say just take down the seat number, take a photo, report it to stewards etc. it's not always that easy. It's upto the club to stamp it out and ensure it's not happening, not the paying customer. If this means having to spend money on extra stewards, who have the relevant training and not stand back and do nothing about it, or Policing in the areas the racism is being reported in, then put your hand in your pocket Mr Brent. You wouldn't tolerate a hotel guest racially abusing a black member of staff, so do whatever it takes to make sure it doesn't happen at Home Park.

And yes I do have a lot to say on the subject, because I have first hand experience of this kind of thing.

And if anyone want's to say "what's it got to do with James Brent" ?

Oh by the way. I have run this one past James Brent and it has his full support so..........

...... I made that post as The President.................

Andy_Symons wrote:

Chemical Ali wrote:

Trinny you've upset webby-

Chris_Webb1: Once again people falsely labelling FV1886 as an 'Ultra' group. It is not, has never been and will never be. #whymakeitup? #pafc

As John Petrie has posted on Pasoti, FV is a non racist group, but the chants could be deemed as racially offensive (even if those chanting it didn't mean it to be or were aware of the nature).

Chris Webb's admission of a training programme for FV (in his statement) and Home Park suggests there is some acceptance that this was not acceptable (even if wasn't meant to be)

Presumably, then, Postey will be getting busy changing the title of this thread fairly sharpish.

That just made me laugh out loud.

Looks like he's banged to rights on this one.

Still there in the Forze Verde section, where the person who reported the issue yesterday is having the piss taken out of him

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Greenjock wrote:

And if anyone want's to say "what's it got to do with James Brent" ?

Oh by the way. I have run this one past James Brent and it has his full support so..........

...... I made that post as The President.................

Like a bear with a sore head ! Fancy losing at Murrayfield to a youth team ! lol !

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Andy_Symons wrote:

Chemical Ali wrote:

Trinny you've upset webby-

Chris_Webb1: Once again people falsely labelling FV1886 as an 'Ultra' group. It is not, has never been and will never be. #whymakeitup? #pafc

As John Petrie has posted on Pasoti, FV is a non racist group, but the chants could be deemed as racially offensive (even if those chanting it didn't mean it to be or were aware of the nature).

Chris Webb's admission of a training programme for FV (in his statement) and Home Park suggests there is some acceptance that this was not acceptable (even if wasn't meant to be)

Presumably, then, Postey will be getting busy changing the title of this thread fairly sharpish.

That just made me laugh out loud.

Looks like he's banged to rights on this one.

Suppose we'll be getting a legal letter................ go on bean head, sue me !

Tringreen wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

And if anyone want's to say "what's it got to do with James Brent" ?

Oh by the way. I have run this one past James Brent and it has his full support so..........

...... I made that post as The President.................

Like a bear with a sore head ! Fancy losing at Murrayfield to a youth team ! lol !

I don't really like rugby especially when the try wasn't given and when we kept dropping the ball with 10 yards to go to the tryline

The education programme is of course welcome. Hopefully it will start off with co-leader/co coordinator (?) of Forza who doesn't know if gypsy chants are racist or not (see twitter stream on Pasoti home page)

Dougie wrote:

The education programme is of course welcome. Hopefully it will start off with co-leader/co coordinator (?) of Forza who doesn't know if gypsy chants are racist or not (see twitter stream on Pasoti home page)

That's because Posty deleted a 7 page thread where the supposed ex owner of ROTG pointed out repeatedly that it was illegal but the Avivas were more interested in his ROTG connections.