Statement from President on Chanting

Greenjock wrote:

GregCampbellFanClub wrote:

Perhaps Il Presidente should have thought about the 'leadership' role of this group, that to be fair HE alone cannot control ?

They are forming a committee soon. I'm sure that will help when four 16 year olds are elected.

Anyone heard anymore about ZeeZan? She asked for her Pasoti account to be deleted last night, but the request wasn't answered and now it's gone.

I saw on Twatter that she was verbally abused in front of her mates yesterday, face to face so to speak.

seadog wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

GregCampbellFanClub wrote:

Perhaps Il Presidente should have thought about the 'leadership' role of this group, that to be fair HE alone cannot control ?

They are forming a committee soon. I'm sure that will help when four 16 year olds are elected.

Anyone heard anymore about ZeeZan? She asked for her Pasoti account to be deleted last night, but the request wasn't answered and now it's gone.

I saw on Twatter that she was verbally abused in front of her mates yesterday, face to face so to speak.

Ah not good. I see she's posted on Pasoti today so hopefully she's ok now.

Webb has created a monster, a good atmosphere is created naturally, Webb is naive at best, he has quickly got to make amends/excuses to Brent, he is an embarrassment to Plymouth Argyle

embarrassment is harsh, ill thought out stratergy maybe a more appropriate route to take ?

Very interesting post from a long standing Pasoti member on the subject:


Vic
Post subject: Re: Racism (merged).

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:35 pm

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I had stopped posting on this site but my wife and son (school teacher) wanted me to write our views on this banter

My wife and I both in our sixties and our son, all season tickets holders were absolutely disgusted by the so called banter from the Devonport end to a fellow footballer who was in our opinion the best player on the pitch. The banter was Derogatory to say the least; this kind of abuse should never be allowed to happen anywhere.
I blame Mr Web for starting this silly choir off; he should go from his President post. He is dragging this club to his union level.

Andy_Symons wrote:

As first posts go, that one's a belter.

Welcome aboard, charleymouse,

I should say so.

hmdr wrote:

Webb has created a monster, a good atmosphere is created naturally, Webb is naive at best, he has quickly got to make amends/excuses to Brent, he is an embarrassment to Plymouth Argyle

Totally agree. Embarrassing at best. We're not all 'Janner' singing Avivas !

Greenjock wrote:

Very interesting post from a long standing Pasoti member on the subject:


Vic
Post subject: Re: Racism (merged).

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:35 pm

Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:58 am
Posts: 610

I had stopped posting on this site but my wife and son (school teacher) wanted me to write our views on this banter

My wife and I both in our sixties and our son, all season tickets holders were absolutely disgusted by the so called banter from the Devonport end to a fellow footballer who was in our opinion the best player on the pitch. The banter was Derogatory to say the least; this kind of abuse should never be allowed to happen anywhere.
I blame Mr Web for starting this silly choir off; he should go from his President post. He is dragging this club to his union level.

More like the Nool level !

What it has come down to is dictatorial statements from the dynamic duo.

'Youm either wiv us or against us. Agree or be deleted.' A total parochial embarrassment. These guys are not equipped to unite and lead.

Are you listening Brent ?

seadog wrote:

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I saw on Twatter that she was verbally abused in front of her mates yesterday, face to face so to speak.

Do you mean face to face or on line? It may seem obvious but just checking.

If in person that's a pity - she seems an open and pleasant young person.

knecht wrote:

seadog wrote:

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I saw on Twatter that she was verbally abused in front of her mates yesterday, face to face so to speak.

Do you mean face to face or on line? It may seem obvious but just checking.

If in person that's a pity - she seems an open and pleasant young person.

I've met ZZ, briefly, and she struck me as something of a sweetie. Very personable, open and friendly. I don't suppose she wants, expects or needs my sympathy but I can't imagine that she had done anything to deserve such unpleasantness and I hope she's put it all behind her.

This whole chanting issue has raised many issues today quite rightly so.I say to the club and chris webb don't play this issue down,several people have come on here and expressed heart felt disgust and disquiet about what happened yesterday because they care passionately about the club and what it represets.We ignore at our peril.

The Trust will be issuing a brief but firm statement in the morning.

Tim Chown wrote:

The Trust will be issuing a brief but firm statement in the morning.

Good stuff. Hope the club itself follows suit.

Thanks greengull and Tim.

After the disgraceful attacks on GnT, I wonder if anyone else will ever report a racist incident again?

That could be one of the most damaging outcomes, Frank. I really hope others aren't put off - they can of course report things in confidence.

Peggy wrote:

That could be one of the most damaging outcomes, Frank. I really hope others aren't put off - they can of course report things in confidence.

GnT seems to be coming under attack from all quarters- even Mr Soapbox and some of the Mods. GnT's treatment (in the flagging of a legitamite issue) has been very poor on the other website.

Also notice that the President doesn't want to involve Kickitout in the education of supporters, but the TUC?

Anyone see the Chelsea v United game? Great game but the Chelsea fans booing Rio Fedinand every time he touched the ball! Not a great fan of United or Rio Ferdinand, but was exactly has he done wrong? He's the brother of someone allegedly racially abused by John Terry, and the Chelsea fans boo him? If Terry gets found guilty they will still hail him as some kind of hero, just like Liverpool fans will give Suarez an amazing reception tonight.

Seems racism is ok if it's one of your own doing it. A view thats backed up by lots of responses on Pasoti. If it were an Argyle player getting racist abuse from another teams fans the Big Daves would be outraged.

And Fabio Capello publicly saying he wouldn't have stripped Terry of the captaincy of England really helps!

Chemical Ali wrote:

Peggy wrote:

That could be one of the most damaging outcomes, Frank. I really hope others aren't put off - they can of course report things in confidence.

GnT seems to be coming under attack from all quarters- even Mr Soapbox and some of the Mods. GnT's treatment (in the flagging of a legitamite issue) has been very poor on the other website.

Also notice that the President doesn't want to involve Kickitout in the education of supporters, but the TUC?

I did approach The Supreme Leader and suggest that he involves the Argyle Against Racism campaign in anything that is done. We'll see; whilst I know that the TUC has produced some excellent material on an anti-racism theme, the mere fact that it's TUC material is bound to attract criticism from some sources.

Racist, Religious and Homophobic Abuse.

Andy_Symons wrote:

Chemical Ali wrote:

Peggy wrote:

That could be one of the most damaging outcomes, Frank. I really hope others aren't put off - they can of course report things in confidence.

GnT seems to be coming under attack from all quarters- even Mr Soapbox and some of the Mods. GnT's treatment (in the flagging of a legitamite issue) has been very poor on the other website.

Also notice that the President doesn't want to involve Kickitout in the education of supporters, but the TUC?

I did approach The Supreme Leader and suggest that he involves the Argyle Against Racism campaign in anything that is done. We'll see; whilst I know that the TUC has produced some excellent material on an anti-racism theme, the mere fact that it's TUC material is bound to attract criticism from some sources.

Argyle Against Racism wound itself up some years ago, because we'd achieved our aim of getting the club to take the issues on board and promote anti-racism. Had we known what was going to happen in the last eighteen months, when understandably other things have taken precedence and some of the key people have left the club, we'd have kept going.

There is a lesson here, though. First, there's no need to reinvent the wheel: there's lots of fans with lots of experience of educating and campaigning on this - AAR was a big group which worked on cooperative principles. Second, the fact that some of those fans are disliked by some of those in the inner circle means that experience isn't being utillised - to the detriment of the club as a whole.

Tim Chown wrote:

Racist, Religious and Homophobic Abuse.

Excellent statement from the Trust - clear and unequivocal, which is just what was needed.

What I’m finding particularly distasteful is the, what seems to be, a shifting of blame or at the least an attempt from Webb to distance himself from Newell.

It’s not often I stick up for Newell so you better make the most of this, but Webb has now stated “Once again people falsely labelling FV1886 as an 'Ultra' group. It is not, has never been and will never be.” – It is, it always has been and because of events it always will be!

Are we expected to believe that Webb was not aware of the poll set up by Newell and the controversy and much questioned result of that poll?

Is Webb ducking away from the fact that he was warned and questioned regarding the name “Ultras” long before he set up this group?

On page two of that 8 page poll the name “Ultras” is questioned owing to its “connotations” as well as many other comments as the thread went on, not to mention the many comments and questions on ATD, all ignored!

It’s a bit late now Chris, you were warned, you were questioned and you ignored, now at least have the balls to put your hands up and then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT without leaving your “mate” alone in the shit!

I don’t believe anyone thinks for a minute that either of these two characters are in any way racist, but let’s face it, they are both way above their stations!

Peggy wrote:

Andy_Symons wrote:

Chemical Ali wrote:

Peggy wrote:

That could be one of the most damaging outcomes, Frank. I really hope others aren't put off - they can of course report things in confidence.

GnT seems to be coming under attack from all quarters- even Mr Soapbox and some of the Mods. GnT's treatment (in the flagging of a legitamite issue) has been very poor on the other website.

Also notice that the President doesn't want to involve Kickitout in the education of supporters, but the TUC?

I did approach The Supreme Leader and suggest that he involves the Argyle Against Racism campaign in anything that is done. We'll see; whilst I know that the TUC has produced some excellent material on an anti-racism theme, the mere fact that it's TUC material is bound to attract criticism from some sources.

Argyle Against Racism wound itself up some years ago, because we'd achieved our aim of getting the club to take the issues on board and promote anti-racism. Had we known what was going to happen in the last eighteen months, when understandably other things have taken precedence and some of the key people have left the club, we'd have kept going.

There is a lesson here, though. First, there's no need to reinvent the wheel: there's lots of fans with lots of experience of educating and campaigning on this - AAR was a big group which worked on cooperative principles. Second, the fact that some of those fans are disliked by some of those in the inner circle means that experience isn't being utillised - to the detriment of the club as a whole.

As you know Peggy and as we've discussed, I was in the past against the setting up of AAR. Now I think there's a very legitimate reason for its existence. What's the chances of "reinventing" that wheel, I think it's going to be needed?

Peggy wrote:

Andy_Symons wrote:

Chemical Ali wrote:

Peggy wrote:

That could be one of the most damaging outcomes, Frank. I really hope others aren't put off - they can of course report things in confidence.

GnT seems to be coming under attack from all quarters- even Mr Soapbox and some of the Mods. GnT's treatment (in the flagging of a legitamite issue) has been very poor on the other website.

Also notice that the President doesn't want to involve Kickitout in the education of supporters, but the TUC?

I did approach The Supreme Leader and suggest that he involves the Argyle Against Racism campaign in anything that is done. We'll see; whilst I know that the TUC has produced some excellent material on an anti-racism theme, the mere fact that it's TUC material is bound to attract criticism from some sources.

Argyle Against Racism wound itself up some years ago, because we'd achieved our aim of getting the club to take the issues on board and promote anti-racism. Had we known what was going to happen in the last eighteen months, when understandably other things have taken precedence and some of the key people have left the club, we'd have kept going.

There is a lesson here, though. First, there's no need to reinvent the wheel: there's lots of fans with lots of experience of educating and campaigning on this - AAR was a big group which worked on cooperative principles. Second, the fact that some of those fans are disliked by some of those in the inner circle means that experience isn't being utillised - to the detriment of the club as a whole.

That's the point, surely. There are plenty of us who have experience of working to combat racism, both within football and in the wider community. Having the humility to call upon that experience would show real leadership.

Chris is aware that I, and others are only too happy to get stuck in. The behaviour that has reared it's ugly head over the last few weeks needs to be stamped out. If Chris thinks he can do it without assistance he's even more naive than I thought.