Where has it gone wrong for Plymouth Argyle?

Homeslice wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Amsterdamage wrote:

Is that Mike Greening a professional comedian, if not he should be he makes me laugh,


My apologies if you have taken offence. My post wasn't to you in particular but to posters who post worse posts than you and hide behind a pseudonym. I believe Ian tried to get people to use their names on PASOTI but only a few did. It's even worse I believe on that other site although I don't browse that site. As an aside I neither do the dishes or the ironing. I have also sent you a PM.

It didn't go that well Mike when it was discovered that Ian hid behind more pseudonyms than the pseudonym users.

That real names schtick was the exact and only reason I joined ATD. I couldn't believe what I was reading or who was suggesting it because I knew, absolutely knew for certain (because he had told me it was him himself) that Nooly was, amongst many others - not all of which have been closed down yet - Deep Throat. To find out that Deep Throat was Lee Jameson, Chris Webb and Wozzer too came as a surprise though.

Before that I thought you were all bitter and twisted, paranoid freaks, weirdoes and other associated nut job types (and, let's be honest, there is quite an element of that here) but now I've been around a while I realise that that was only partially true. That said your average ATDer is a huge step up from being Nooly because in terms of evolution Nooly is Neanderthal Man, and the ATDer is Homo sapiens sapiens (and there's no intervening Cro-Magnon stage).

On a good day some of you are almost normal.

Some of us are almost normal.

That's a 'Thought for the Day' for you, right there

I knew about the porky multi's as well and was one of the only ones challenging him about using the real names. When the outing came it was feckin priceless. What was ironic was that he was accusing me of "hiding" when I registered with the name I'm called by family and most close mates at the football and at home, no one knew me at the footy other than by my nickname until he outed my real name in the Newel files along with my email address and contact details that he had copied to his personal pc (for modding duties) even though he wasn't a mod, mind you unlike Chem at least he has apologised to me for it. (As soon as he had hidden the files he then backtracked and said he'd been hacked as well as deleting, or "cleaning" the thread of anything incriminating.)

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Should Adams have recruited cheaper but more numerous players? Difficult to say without knowing what "cheap" in this context means. I do know that in the recent Exeter programme they had 4 more players listed than we did. I also think that included only 1 loanee for them whereas we had 7. So it is undeniable that our pool of players was/is small - compared to them anyway.

There's only 2 ways to interpret that: 1) Adams is paying our players a fortune; 2) Exeter's budget is far bigger than ours.

OK. Maybe there's a third: 3) a mixture of the 2.

It is pretty much impossible to assess where the fault ultimately lies but it can only rest with either Brent not giving Adams the support he needs or Adams squandering it.

I've cut short most of your comment as I felt it was irrelevant so apologies if I've omitted anything you feel was relevant to my response to the above.

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DA recently revealed he was only allowed to sign 5 core squad players and that's what he done.  No doubt there was an upper limit to the budget but if he maxed it out so be it, what more could he do?  If he had spent half the amount he still wouldn't have been able to bring in double the players.  I really don't see how he can take any blame here.

According to the BBC site Exeter have 29 players to our 26 (which excludes Tyler Harvey's return).  Aside from our over-reliance on loanees the difference between the 2 clubs probably isn't budget but stability and their ability to churn out a seemingly endless chain of youth players fit for purpose, who are probably cheaper to keep contracted than most out of contract players seeking new clubs.

The closest we've had to stability over the last 7 years or so (which I'm sure needs no explanation but I will anyway) is 5 years of austerity & penny pinching which has affected everything from the back room admin staff, stadium/pitch maintenance, an under funded first team and a youth team that relies on charity. If that isn't enough we've had 4 different managers and a long line of incoming/outgoing loanees which does nothing for building a consistent team.  Exeter meanwhile are right at home plodding along and far superior to us in all aspects aside from perhaps our core first 11-12 players and obviously our attendances.

Without looking through Exeter's 29 listed players as I wouldn't know who's risen from the youth ranks, it has to be said our current allocation of youth under Brent is very poor (through no fault of their own).  The pick of the bunch, Harvey and Purrington have been largely dismissed by 2 successive managers, although it's fair to say Sawyer's consistent form has kept Purrington out and he did get some game time under Sheridan.  Apprentices Rooney and Harvey the keeper have been on bench warming duty throughout the season purely to make up the numbers.  We also have Lane and Hall (one of which is injured, I forget who) who are nowhere near the first team squad.  With the lack of any meaningful reserve team football they're just never going to progress.  That's it, we've basically got what we've paid for.  I suspect Exeter are in far better shape.

All in all it's a very sad state of affairs which only one man can take full responsility.

Do you think DA was fully aware of the limitations when he accepted the job? During our better months when we seemed invincible I was leaning on ''he's chosen quality over quantity'' when using his budget and has had to pay more wages which means less players. I'm not certain now that was the case - we'll see.

I suppose when you're unemployed you accept what you're given.  Being kept on a tight leash early on could be seen as fair enough if you believe there's more dosh available come January if you prove yourself.  He did prove himself but stated his squad was overachieving and he was hoping to add experience in January (there must've been some expectation).  As we know he never received further backing in January and he's probably now realised what a shambles the club is top to bottom.

Amsterdamage wrote:

Homeslice wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Amsterdamage wrote:

Is that Mike Greening a professional comedian, if not he should be he makes me laugh,


My apologies if you have taken offence. My post wasn't to you in particular but to posters who post worse posts than you and hide behind a pseudonym. I believe Ian tried to get people to use their names on PASOTI but only a few did. It's even worse I believe on that other site although I don't browse that site. As an aside I neither do the dishes or the ironing. I have also sent you a PM.

It didn't go that well Mike when it was discovered that Ian hid behind more pseudonyms than the pseudonym users.

That real names schtick was the exact and only reason I joined ATD. I couldn't believe what I was reading or who was suggesting it because I knew, absolutely knew for certain (because he had told me it was him himself) that Nooly was, amongst many others - not all of which have been closed down yet - Deep Throat. To find out that Deep Throat was Lee Jameson, Chris Webb and Wozzer too came as a surprise though.

Before that I thought you were all bitter and twisted, paranoid freaks, weirdoes and other associated nut job types (and, let's be honest, there is quite an element of that here) but now I've been around a while I realise that that was only partially true. That said your average ATDer is a huge step up from being Nooly because in terms of evolution Nooly is Neanderthal Man, and the ATDer is Homo sapiens sapiens (and there's no intervening Cro-Magnon stage).

On a good day some of you are almost normal.

Some of us are almost normal.

That's a 'Thought for the Day' for you, right there

I knew about the porky multi's as well and was one of the only ones challenging him about using the real names. When the outing came it was feckin priceless. What was ironic was that he was accusing me of "hiding" when I registered with the name I'm called by family and most close mates at the football and at home, no one knew me at the footy other than by my nickname until he outed my real name in the Newel files along with my email address and contact details that he had copied to his personal pc (for modding duties) even though he wasn't a mod, mind you unlike Chem at least he has apologised to me for it. (As soon as he had hidden the files he then backtracked and said he'd been hacked as well as deleting, or "cleaning" the thread of anything incriminating.)

He didn't hide the files, they're still out there. He merely cleansed and then made private his Flickr account, which was on a public setting.

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