Where has it gone wrong for Plymouth Argyle?

Lasted about two seconds speed reading that shite, got to "James Brent is an astute businessman" and gave up.

Tringreen wrote:

I decided I could no longer enjoy the ride long ago. Once I'd realised it's just going round in ever decreasing circles.

Still hope that one day a new driver will come along and I can get back on the bus. In the meantime, I'll continue to view from a distance, wince at the predictability of all the participants and wonder how any thinking person can garner any pleasure from direct involvement, emotionally and financially, from the ride to nowhere.

Geddon janner..............

I suspect many who still go, do so for the same reasons as me. A Saturday home game is a day on the beer with lifelong friends, interspersed at 3.00pm with some 'football'.

Defeats used to majorly depress me. Nowadays it's an annoyance, but generally there's an acceptance that supporting Argyle has never really changed in the 35 years I've been going every other week, and there's little chance that situation will alter.

Lord Biro wrote:

Sorry Frank, but it's impossible to get behind someone one strongly disagrees with. Brent was given a chance by me and was welcomed in general on this forum with reservation. Since then, his plan has become apparent. What was trailed as community and restoration is nothing more than picking on bones while keeping the body fresh. All over Devon and wider afield he has shown himself to be a vulture with a heart of a banker. And usually funded with other peoples cheap money as with the hotel thing that collapsed leaving him with a nice larder full

I hear you, brother. Can't say I disagree that strongly but Czarcasm's post above this one pretty much makes the case for my defence so there's little point me saying it again.

argyl3 wrote:

Anti Brent thread up [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Think thats there because ATD exists, im sure thier mods are keeping a very close eye on that thread.....

Czarcasm wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

I decided I could no longer enjoy the ride long ago. Once I'd realised it's just going round in ever decreasing circles.

Still hope that one day a new driver will come along and I can get back on the bus. In the meantime, I'll continue to view from a distance, wince at the predictability of all the participants and wonder how any thinking person can garner any pleasure from direct involvement, emotionally and financially, from the ride to nowhere.

Geddon janner..............

I suspect many who still go, do so for the same reasons as me. A Saturday home game is a day on the beer with lifelong friends, interspersed at 3.00pm with some 'football'.

Defeats used to majorly depress me. Nowadays it's an annoyance, but generally there's an acceptance that supporting Argyle has never really changed in the 35 years I've been going every other week, and there's little chance that situation will alter.

Give it a miss for 6 months and believe me you ll have a load more cash and realise what you could be doing instead !

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Lord Biro wrote:

Sorry Frank, but it's impossible to get behind someone one strongly disagrees with. Brent was given a chance by me and was welcomed in general on this forum with reservation. Since then, his plan has become apparent. What was trailed as community and restoration is nothing more than picking on bones while keeping the body fresh. All over Devon and wider afield he has shown himself to be a vulture with a heart of a banker. And usually funded with other peoples cheap money as with the hotel thing that collapsed leaving him with a nice larder full

I hear you, brother. Can't say I disagree that strongly but Czarcasm's post above this one pretty much makes the case for my defence so there's little point me saying it again.

I'm stuck between the two positions, going to the footy with the mates is a laugh and something that I enjoy and refuse to let Brent completely spoil for me although this season has been a test of that. I'm asking myself now "why should I support Argyle when the owner seems reluctant to?"

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Lord Biro wrote:

Sorry Frank, but it's impossible to get behind someone one strongly disagrees with. Brent was given a chance by me and was welcomed in general on this forum with reservation. Since then, his plan has become apparent. What was trailed as community and restoration is nothing more than picking on bones while keeping the body fresh. All over Devon and wider afield he has shown himself to be a vulture with a heart of a banker. And usually funded with other peoples cheap money as with the hotel thing that collapsed leaving him with a nice larder full

I hear you, brother. Can't say I disagree that strongly but Czarcasm's post above this one pretty much makes the case for my defence so there's little point me saying it again.

But Czar wasn't advocating 'just getting behind Brent'. I suspect he along with a few others on here still roll up to every home match out of habit and for social reasons and that 'just getting behind Brent' is the last thing they'd consider doing. Apart from that Frank, it was a very good post.

Letting deluded fools like Postey run the biggest fans website is part of it, he's still plugging away for his paymasters boss,

I think we'll find out within the next six months the direction our club is taking.

Firstly, turning a profit just four years after coming out of administration was quite a feat, an achievement that seems to have been forgotten and might be why there have been enquiries from potential buyers who are interested in a football club that is no longer a basket case but is actually making a (small) profit. Something that is usually unheard of at football clubs.

Secondly, in October it will be the fifth anniversary since coming out of admin and the trigger point for JB to buy the freehold of Home Park from PCC, the cost has already been agreed from 2011 at 12 times the annual rent of £135,000 = £1.6m.
If JB does decide to buy the freehold he might announce it in October or because the stadium now has a ACV hanging over it and subject to a six week and then six month delay (which might also put off any future buyers of the club) he could announce his intention to buy it this month.

Once the stadium is owned by JB it could be used to facilitate loans to push the club forward. I know we've been down this route before but that was reckless by directors chasing the World Cup dream, if it happens again I trust JB to manage it carefully.

Thirdly, October is the time when the balloon payment is made and we've been told that plans are in place to pay that last £500,000 of historic debt.

What ever happens, JB and Plymouth City Council have both proven that they will look after the football club and are a safe pair of hands, that may not be flashy enough for some but be careful of another Keith Todd running our club.

How does he actually know any of this? Pure guesswork based on hope.

I'm virtually done, in fact if it wasn't for modding this site I wouldn't really know what was going on. I haven't listened to a single commentary all year when in seasons gone past I would manipulate the family diary on a weekend to be home. I'm going to Leyton Orient but only because I'm catching up with a lifelong friend for a few beers.

Not going to Pompey (less than an hour away) as I would much rather watch my daughter play football.

Combination of getting older, more precious with my time and emotional energy and what looks like a future of mediocrity.

Where's the fun in that?

Amsterdamage wrote:

Letting deluded fools like Postey run the biggest fans website is part of it, he's still plugging away for his paymasters boss,

I think we'll find out within the next six months the direction our club is taking.

Firstly, turning a profit just four years after coming out of administration was quite a feat, an achievement that seems to have been forgotten and might be why there have been enquiries from potential buyers who are interested in a football club that is no longer a basket case but is actually making a (small) profit. Something that is usually unheard of at football clubs.

Secondly, in October it will be the fifth anniversary since coming out of admin and the trigger point for JB to buy the freehold of Home Park from PCC, the cost has already been agreed from 2011 at 12 times the annual rent of £135,000 = £1.6m.
If JB does decide to buy the freehold he might announce it in October or because the stadium now has a ACV hanging over it and subject to a six week and then six month delay (which might also put off any future buyers of the club) he could announce his intention to buy it this month.

Once the stadium is owned by JB it could be used to facilitate loans to push the club forward. I know we've been down this route before but that was reckless by directors chasing the World Cup dream, if it happens again I trust JB to manage it carefully.

Thirdly, October is the time when the balloon payment is made and we've been told that plans are in place to pay that last £500,000 of historic debt.

What ever happens, JB and Plymouth City Council have both proven that they will look after the football club and are a safe pair of hands, that may not be flashy enough for some but be careful of another Keith Todd running our club.

How does he actually know any of this? Pure guesswork based on hope.

Hypothetically speaking we can hypothetically deduce the direction the club is heading in and the (12 x rent) buy back hypothetically lies at the heart of it all. After all if it wasn't for that why would, hypothetically speaking, Brent turn down going halfies on the grandstand with the council? Had he done so, and I am hypothesising here not actually stating that this is the case, PCC would effectively have been bunging him a hypothetical £5m which woud have enhanced his hypothetical potential asset value very nicely.

However, if such a hypotheitcal deal also involved a hypothetical re-negotiation of the lease including a hypothetical rent increase to a hypothetical £400k per annum (easily affordable if the hypothetical £1m increase in revenue it might hypothetically have been forecast to generate was accurate) the cost of any hypothetical buy back in the future would have increased by a hypothetical (12 x increase in rent) which might be a hypothetical (12 x £300k = £3.6m) increase in the hypothetical future purchase value to a buyer.

So if this journey in hypothetical fantasyland were true the upshot of it would be that far from Brent being the man to build us a new grandstand he is actually the hypothetical obstacle to getting it built.

All entirely hypothetical, of course.

I'm not suggesting for a moment that any of this is actually the case. There's no link on the net to any of it at all so it clearly cannot be based in fact in any way whatsoever. Just think of it as idle speculation along the lines of "pub talk after a few pints".

Im taking in a few Torquay games next season, a nice social club there without any hassle and a great day at the seaside on the piss.

Les Miserable wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Lord Biro wrote:

Sorry Frank, but it's impossible to get behind someone one strongly disagrees with. Brent was given a chance by me and was welcomed in general on this forum with reservation. Since then, his plan has become apparent. What was trailed as community and restoration is nothing more than picking on bones while keeping the body fresh. All over Devon and wider afield he has shown himself to be a vulture with a heart of a banker. And usually funded with other peoples cheap money as with the hotel thing that collapsed leaving him with a nice larder full

I hear you, brother. Can't say I disagree that strongly but Czarcasm's post above this one pretty much makes the case for my defence so there's little point me saying it again.

But Czar wasn't advocating 'just getting behind Brent'. I suspect he along with a few others on here still roll up to every home match out of habit and for social reasons and that 'just getting behind Brent' is the last thing they'd consider doing. Apart from that Frank, it was a very good post.

Guilty your honour.

I must admit though, apart from Carey's goal, the football part of Saturday was a struggle and although I'm sure I've witnessed a lot of dross on the pitch over the last 50 odd years, somehow the Brent factor is making my support of the Club all the more painful.

I'm not pro-Brent or anti-Brent. I'm just pro-Argyle but one thing struck me last night (after my son pleaded help for his MoT and sort of threw the estimate at me - lol) was ''depth'' Its well documented that our squad is thin but when we have to bring in a fringe or young player its seems its the end of the world. So there I was sat on my throne reading the West Briton (well car hunting - now sorted) and I glanced at the local footy. Is it surprising at all that our fringes struggle when the reserves are playing at Mousehole and Penryn. That's not going to bring them up to regular Lge 2 standard?
PS Saab 9-5 won.

AstiSpumante wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Lord Biro wrote:

Sorry Frank, but it's impossible to get behind someone one strongly disagrees with. Brent was given a chance by me and was welcomed in general on this forum with reservation. Since then, his plan has become apparent. What was trailed as community and restoration is nothing more than picking on bones while keeping the body fresh. All over Devon and wider afield he has shown himself to be a vulture with a heart of a banker. And usually funded with other peoples cheap money as with the hotel thing that collapsed leaving him with a nice larder full

I hear you, brother. Can't say I disagree that strongly but Czarcasm's post above this one pretty much makes the case for my defence so there's little point me saying it again.

But Czar wasn't advocating 'just getting behind Brent'. I suspect he along with a few others on here still roll up to every home match out of habit and for social reasons and that 'just getting behind Brent' is the last thing they'd consider doing. Apart from that Frank, it was a very good post.

Guilty your honour.

Yep, that's about the size of it.

Gonna be painful parting with another £320 this week though.

Be a white member instead......

Elias wrote:

Be a white member instead......

False economy though if I know I'm going to every game. I'll renew though gritted teeth.

True i admire your dedication.......

Being dedicated is probably the last reason for going. But thanks anyway.

harvetheslayer wrote:

argyl3 wrote:

Anti Brent thread up [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Porkster will be having fecking kittens trying to sanitize a lot of those comments

I note the face to face meeting has been suggested.

It's an interesting thread for a change, because some (not many), are actually advocating looking for investment to try and move the club forward, both on and off the pitch.

That's a conversation that's been had several times over the last few years. That's all it is though, a conversation. Nothing concrete ever happens, and if by some chance a foreign (or British) billionaire came forward wanting to buy the club, I'd be willing to bet there would be a campaign begun on that other forum to keep the buggers out, theym not from down ere, can't bleddy trustum.

That, in a nutshell, is the reason why this club will never, ever achieve any lasting, meaningful success.

Pork chop wrote,

dunlop wrote:
Some of us care about this football club others support Brent in his quest to make as much money has he can from the club.


That's a nasty gutted post Mike. I'm surprised you could type something as malicious as that to be honest.

I love my club, and I also happen to like JB, is that a crime now? You sound like one of the 'nasties' that pervade the internet with that comment.

Nasties that pervade the Internet, lol, the irony.

Now I've discovered that all the board members of the club regularly attend the business lounge I am going to not only buy a season ticket for next year but buy one for all my family also.

I 've been to HP 6 times this season. The lowest amount of games for me, ever. Next season? Unless there's a dramatic turn of events to rejuvenate my interest - I don't think I'm going to bother! Sad? yeh, maybe, but year after year after year of mediocrity, non investment, apathy and nasty beer throwing piglets, ad infintum, It's definitely time to spend my time and money in a more productive and enjoyable way.

You win Brent. I'm done. I won't be attending next season.

Tringy, put the kettle on son. I'll be over in four hours!!

At one time i used to feel guilty about missing a home game, but thanks to Brent and his toadie followers i'm cured!  Every longstanding fan i have ever known have all said Argyle will always be shit i used to argue against it, but they were right the club just ends up being run with a few exceptions by chancers and Turds.

Same for me Suffers. Saving my pennies to see the Cidermen. Seasons just started all day at the ground and then to the plough (somerset CAMRA Pub of the year) five minutes from the station.
Far better deal at £18 than Brents rip off argyle prices.