Falling out of love with Argyle

Czarcasm wrote:

I've never quite got why an Argyle trip is evidently so far down a list of priorities that virtually every other consideration needs to be satisfied before a fella can get the green light go to the football. It isn't as if it's a bi-monthly jaunt for most. I've got friends whose relationship status is such that they are virtually 'not allowed' to go to the football  - or if they are, there are multiple strings attached before they are allowed to go. You'd think they were asking for a fortnight in Vegas with Coke and Hookers all thrown in, sometimes.

Put down a marker early doors. Set the ground rules. Don't deviate.

And the number one rule - do not ever question any time that the missus wants to do something or go somewhere with her friends.

25 years down the line, those guidelines have served me well.

Thanks for the advice, Czarcasm but at this stage I regard myself as a Tier 1 negotiator when it comes to these things....and it is a negotiation, not a permission.

Czarcasm wrote:

I've never quite got why an Argyle trip is evidently so far down a list of priorities that virtually every other consideration needs to be satisfied before a fella can get the green light go to the football. It isn't as if it's a bi-monthly jaunt for most. I've got friends whose relationship status is such that they are virtually 'not allowed' to go to the football  - or if they are, there are multiple strings attached before they are allowed to go. You'd think they were asking for a fortnight in Vegas with Coke and Hookers all thrown in, sometimes.

Put down a marker early doors. Set the ground rules. Don't deviate.

And the number one rule - do not ever question any time that the missus wants to do something or go somewhere with her friends.

25 years down the line, those guidelines have served me well.

Financial, when you add travel, ticket prices, food and drink its at least £60.00 which when you've got a family could go on so many more worthwhile things.

I've never been a regular attender because I live up north. However I understand the sentiments of the OP.

For me I've fallen out of love with the game in general and that lack of interest has permeated down to my view of Argyle. In no particular order:

1) The insidious influence of the Premier League and the Champions League on the financial disparity between clubs. This has massively reduced the unpredictability and therefore excitement of the Premiership. The Prem is the showcase league for football, it's the one that everyone pays attention to regardless of the current status of their club, yet as a competition it is a farce. Most people could probably guess 5 out of the top 6 correct at the start of the season. The majority of teams (as many as 13/14 out of the 20) can only really hope to finish 6th at best. I just can't see the excitement any more in wondering which of the big four will win the title. A knock-on effect of this is that it is hard for fans of lower league clubs such as ours to have any dreams of real success. I know we have never been in the top flight, but up until the mid-90s there was always the remote possibility that we could become a successful top flight club - remember Norwich beating Bayern in the European cup? Teams like Watford, Ipswich and Palace going on good runs and getting near the top. Those days are gone, perhaps for good. Even if the stars aligned and we got a great manager, loads of financial backing and good luck, the best we could reasonably hope for is a couple of seasons finishing 10th in the Prem, before sliding back to inevitable relegation battles - where's the glamour in that? The predictability of the Premiership and exclusion of the majority of clubs from real success just saps away at the motivation for following football.

2)Diving and playacting and the 'permission to go down' attitude. I know to some extent there was always a bit of this in the game, but this cheating is basically accepted as standard now and the football authorities show no real desire to stamp it out. With the exception of drug taking in athletics and cycling, I can't think of another sport where cheating is so 'normalised'. It was actually refreshing to watch the women's football earlier this year and notice that there was barely any time wasting of play acting. I just get tired of watching it in the men's game (+ the associated bad refereeing decisions).

3) The number of transfers and the number of foreign players in all leagues. It's increasingly hard to feel any affinity with a squad of players when it changes so drastically every season. Pretty much every club will bring in 5/6 players minimum every season, most of whom will stay for 2 seasons max. It's hard to feel any emotional attachment to a squad of what you know are largely mercenary football players who have no real affinity to the club or the area. Likewise foreign signings used to be exotic - partly because if your club went to the hassle of getting a players from abroad it probably meant that they would be pretty good, or at least an exciting flair player, even if they couldn't hack it in the league. Now the majority of foreign signings are just the same mediocre level as the local players. It furthers the feeling that you are just watching a bunch of mediocre players getting paid over the odds for doing something they just consider a job, and would be doing for any club in the country if enough money was waived in front of them

4) The ridiculous hype surround football, especially the Premiership, just puts me off. No doubt it is necessary to sell newspapers/merchandise and (more likely) to cover up just how predictable most football is. The consequence of this hype is it makes football more like a soap-opera than a sport, and I've no real interest in the personal lives, or the inane opinions of the majority of people around football.

5) The sort of characters who own the majority of football clubs now. There have always been some (very) dodgy owners of football clubs, but the majority of big clubs are owned by business conglomerates or individuals who have made their wealth in pretty unsavoury ways. Football is either just a plaything, or an opportunity to make money for them. The dedication of fans (sorry, 'customers') is just used to allow these owners to screw as much money as possible out of people for the minimum of effort. Being a 'true fan' is pretty much tantamount to being a 'mug' in my book - it means you'll cough up your £20 per match + buy the merchanidise no matter how dire the 'product' is. It's harder to accept sticking with a team through the bad times when you know there are a bunch of businessmen behind the club who cant believe their luck that they still have as many 'customers' for the terrible service they are providing.

Rant over

Yea Man wrote:

Angry wrote:

what a time to post this when we just won against exeter!!!!

The fact we now have regular derbies with Exeter shows exactly how far we've fallen and exactly why some people are bored of it.

Is it really worth getting excited over beating Exeter in a paint trophy?

Is it a perfect time to slit ones wrists over falling out of interest with argyle either ?

Angry wrote:

Yea Man wrote:

Angry wrote:

what a time to post this when we just won against exeter!!!!

The fact we now have regular derbies with Exeter shows exactly how far we've fallen and exactly why some people are bored of it.

Is it really worth getting excited over beating Exeter in a paint trophy?

Is it a perfect time to slit ones wrists over falling out of interest with argyle either ?

Well done for being the only poster on this thread to completely miss its point.

Hugh Watt wrote:

Angry wrote:

Yea Man wrote:

Angry wrote:

what a time to post this when we just won against exeter!!!!

The fact we now have regular derbies with Exeter shows exactly how far we've fallen and exactly why some people are bored of it.

Is it really worth getting excited over beating Exeter in a paint trophy?

Is it a perfect time to slit ones wrists over falling out of interest with argyle either ?

Well done for being the only poster on this thread to completely miss its point.

I've missed no point here Hugh, i have read it and get why some are moaning about prices of tickets n such. However i find the timing of the thread quite quizzical. why someone who doesnt post on here often would wait till the final whistle of a derby game, literally to post that wrist slitting piece of literature. it stinks of pomposity and could have been something worth posting today if the desire was there still imo.

Flat_Track_Bully wrote:

I've never been a regular attender because I live up north. However I understand the sentiments of the OP.

For me I've fallen out of love with the game in general and that lack of interest has permeated down to my view of Argyle. In no particular order:

1) The insidious influence of the Premier League and the Champions League on the financial disparity between clubs. This has massively reduced the unpredictability and therefore excitement of the Premiership. The Prem is the showcase league for football, it's the one that everyone pays attention to regardless of the current status of their club, yet as a competition it is a farce. Most people could probably guess 5 out of the top 6 correct at the start of the season. The majority of teams (as many as 13/14 out of the 20) can only really hope to finish 6th at best. I just can't see the excitement any more in wondering which of the big four will win the title. A knock-on effect of this is that it is hard for fans of lower league clubs such as ours to have any dreams of real success. I know we have never been in the top flight, but up until the mid-90s there was always the remote possibility that we could become a successful top flight club - remember Norwich beating Bayern in the European cup? Teams like Watford, Ipswich and Palace going on good runs and getting near the top. Those days are gone, perhaps for good. Even if the stars aligned and we got a great manager, loads of financial backing and good luck, the best we could reasonably hope for is a couple of seasons finishing 10th in the Prem, before sliding back to inevitable relegation battles - where's the glamour in that? The predictability of the Premiership and exclusion of the majority of clubs from real success just saps away at the motivation for following football.

2)Diving and playacting and the 'permission to go down' attitude. I know to some extent there was always a bit of this in the game, but this cheating is basically accepted as standard now and the football authorities show no real desire to stamp it out. With the exception of drug taking in athletics and cycling, I can't think of another sport where cheating is so 'normalised'. It was actually refreshing to watch the women's football earlier this year and notice that there was barely any time wasting of play acting. I just get tired of watching it in the men's game (+ the associated bad refereeing decisions).

3) The number of transfers and the number of foreign players in all leagues. It's increasingly hard to feel any affinity with a squad of players when it changes so drastically every season. Pretty much every club will bring in 5/6 players minimum every season, most of whom will stay for 2 seasons max. It's hard to feel any emotional attachment to a squad of what you know are largely mercenary football players who have no real affinity to the club or the area. Likewise foreign signings used to be exotic - partly because if your club went to the hassle of getting a players from abroad it probably meant that they would be pretty good, or at least an exciting flair player, even if they couldn't hack it in the league. Now the majority of foreign signings are just the same mediocre level as the local players. It furthers the feeling that you are just watching a bunch of mediocre players getting paid over the odds for doing something they just consider a job, and would be doing for any club in the country if enough money was waived in front of them

4) The ridiculous hype surround football, especially the Premiership, just puts me off. No doubt it is necessary to sell newspapers/merchandise and (more likely) to cover up just how predictable most football is. The consequence of this hype is it makes football more like a soap-opera than a sport, and I've no real interest in the personal lives, or the inane opinions of the majority of people around football.

5) The sort of characters who own the majority of football clubs now. There have always been some (very) dodgy owners of football clubs, but the majority of big clubs are owned by business conglomerates or individuals who have made their wealth in pretty unsavoury ways. Football is either just a plaything, or an opportunity to make money for them. The dedication of fans (sorry, 'customers') is just used to allow these owners to screw as much money as possible out of people for the minimum of effort. Being a 'true fan' is pretty much tantamount to being a 'mug' in my book - it means you'll cough up your £20 per match + buy the merchanidise no matter how dire the 'product' is. It's harder to accept sticking with a team through the bad times when you know there are a bunch of businessmen behind the club who cant believe their luck that they still have as many 'customers' for the terrible service they are providing.

Rant over

Top rant Tracky.

As an aside, it's pieces like this that now set aside ATD from the typical 'StripesAreBack!'dross that is all encompassing on Pasoti.

Angry wrote:

Hugh Watt wrote:

Angry wrote:

Yea Man wrote:

Angry wrote:

what a time to post this when we just won against exeter!!!!

The fact we now have regular derbies with Exeter shows exactly how far we've fallen and exactly why some people are bored of it.

Is it really worth getting excited over beating Exeter in a paint trophy?

Is it a perfect time to slit ones wrists over falling out of interest with argyle either ?

Well done for being the only poster on this thread to completely miss its point.

I've missed no point here Hugh, i have read it and get why some are moaning about prices of tickets n such. However i find the timing of the thread quite quizzical. why someone who doesnt post on here often would wait till the final whistle of a derby game, literally to post that wrist slitting piece of literature. it stinks of pomposity and could have been something worth posting today if the desire was there still imo.

FCOL, the timing of the OP is the entire point, Someone musing why now, as we celebrate a victory over Exeter and top the league, do I feel strangely empty?

Hugh Watt wrote:

Angry wrote:

Hugh Watt wrote:

Angry wrote:

Yea Man wrote:

Angry wrote:

what a time to post this when we just won against exeter!!!!

The fact we now have regular derbies with Exeter shows exactly how far we've fallen and exactly why some people are bored of it.

Is it really worth getting excited over beating Exeter in a paint trophy?

Is it a perfect time to slit ones wrists over falling out of interest with argyle either ?

Well done for being the only poster on this thread to completely miss its point.

I've missed no point here Hugh, i have read it and get why some are moaning about prices of tickets n such. However i find the timing of the thread quite quizzical. why someone who doesnt post on here often would wait till the final whistle of a derby game, literally to post that wrist slitting piece of literature. it stinks of pomposity and could have been something worth posting today if the desire was there still imo.

FCOL, the timing of the OP is the entire point, Someone musing why now, as we celebrate a victory over Exeter and top the league, do I feel strangely empty?

its a pompous thing to do at the end of the day.

I agree Hugh. The whole point is the juxta position of success and feeling very little elation. Maybe that concept is a bit hard for Angers to comprehend.  That's not pompous, that's quite normal. I don't like to think of fellow fans as a bit slow on the uptake, so I'll just treat it as another Angry obtuse moment.
Beating Exeter. How exhilarating.  Must go and have a lie down, or maybe get on with some work. Musn't question the value of the flag so soon after a pitched battle for the summit.
How I miss the Devon Professional Bowl [sigh]

Sir John Hawkins wrote:

I agree Hugh. The whole point is the juxta position of success and feeling very little elation. Maybe that concept is a bit hard for Angers to comprehend.  That's not pompous, that's quite normal. I don't like to think of fellow fans as a bit slow on the uptake, so I'll just treat it as another Angry obtuse moment.
Beating Exeter. How exhilarating.  Must go and have a lie down, or maybe get on with some work. Musn't question the value of the flag so soon after a pitched battle for the summit.
How I miss the Devon Professional Bowl [sigh]

There is nothing normal about a somewhat depressed poster waiting to pretty much straight after the final whistle of a derby game to post a wrist slitting thread about not caring about winning against Exeter and listing all the other times he came and went from supporting the club.

perhaps those sorts of people get you hard sir john in which case jump on it but not me certainly when it wasn't something worth party pooping for.

Angry wrote:

Sir John Hawkins wrote:

I agree Hugh. The whole point is the juxta position of success and feeling very little elation. Maybe that concept is a bit hard for Angers to comprehend.  That's not pompous, that's quite normal. I don't like to think of fellow fans as a bit slow on the uptake, so I'll just treat it as another Angry obtuse moment.
Beating Exeter. How exhilarating.  Must go and have a lie down, or maybe get on with some work. Musn't question the value of the flag so soon after a pitched battle for the summit.
How I miss the Devon Professional Bowl [sigh]

There is nothing normal about a somewhat depressed poster waiting to pretty much straight after the final whistle of a derby game to post a wrist slitting thread about not caring about winning against Exeter and listing all the other times he came and went from supporting the club.

perhaps those sorts of people get you hard sir john in which case jump on it but not me certainly when it wasn't something worth party pooping for.

There was about a half hour gap between the post and the final whistle actually. I personally was relieved rather than excited however I could identify with much of the sentiment of the post if not entirely agree. The post was made respectfully and It was met with a few people sharing similar sentiments, so don't think it deserves your Soper like outburst. I know it may be difficult for you to fathom but others may see things different than you and they are allowed to express that opinion here without your prior approval.

My thoughts seem to echo Innocent's with a dash of Czarcasm, in that there's never been any hint of negotiation about going to games. She's a footy fan too, and we've always accepted that we like some different things and don't need to live in each others' pockets. Not having kids helps, I guess.

I let my ST lapse last season, but still attended 15 games or so. On course for similar this year. I go because I like meeting up with the certain people, and the constant stream of piss-taking that usually makes up our matchday conversations. I also generally quite like the games, and can still be drawn out of my seat for a goal, or a penalty appeal, or a terrible challenge.

What's changed for me is that it's a 90 minute thing now. My walk to the ground is usually taken up by concerns like whether the sun is shining, or if I'm going to the pub later. I get in just before kick-off (sometimes even just after), and I'm straight out at the final whistle. Any euphoria or gloom I may feel is gone by the time I'm out of the ground. Gone are the days of it affecting my whole weekend.

I guess I just realised how unimportant it is. It's fun, I enjoy my time at the ground, even if it isn't always for footballing reasons, and I'm lucky enough that I can afford it. I struggle to understand those who are 'passionate'* about the game any more, even though I know there's nothing to understand. It's an illogical, emotional attachment. I used to have it. Nowadays, not so much.

*Just an aside to add that includes the passionate fan in all their forms. I don't really get the happy-clappy, earnest, urge-the-lads-on types, but I also don't get people that spend so much time, effort or money on something that seems to make them miserable. Just get a new hobby!

Hugh Watt wrote:

Angry wrote:

Sir John Hawkins wrote:

I agree Hugh. The whole point is the juxta position of success and feeling very little elation. Maybe that concept is a bit hard for Angers to comprehend.  That's not pompous, that's quite normal. I don't like to think of fellow fans as a bit slow on the uptake, so I'll just treat it as another Angry obtuse moment.
Beating Exeter. How exhilarating.  Must go and have a lie down, or maybe get on with some work. Musn't question the value of the flag so soon after a pitched battle for the summit.
How I miss the Devon Professional Bowl [sigh]

There is nothing normal about a somewhat depressed poster waiting to pretty much straight after the final whistle of a derby game to post a wrist slitting thread about not caring about winning against Exeter and listing all the other times he came and went from supporting the club.

perhaps those sorts of people get you hard sir john in which case jump on it but not me certainly when it wasn't something worth party pooping for.

There was about a half hour gap between the post and the final whistle actually. I personally was relieved rather than excited however I could identify with much of the sentiment of the post if not entirely agree. The post was made respectfully and It was met with a few people sharing similar sentiments, so don't think it deserves your Soper like outburst. I know it may be difficult for you to fathom but others may see things different than you and they are allowed to express that opinion here without your prior approval.

just as i am allowed to express my opinion that its depressing meaingless shit whether it meets your approval or not.

Czarcasm wrote:

I've never quite got why an Argyle trip is evidently so far down a list of priorities that virtually every other consideration needs to be satisfied before a fella can get the green light go to the football. It isn't as if it's a bi-monthly jaunt for most. I've got friends whose relationship status is such that they are virtually 'not allowed' to go to the football  - or if they are, there are multiple strings attached before they are allowed to go. You'd think they were asking for a fortnight in Vegas with Coke and Hookers all thrown in, sometimes.

Put down a marker early doors. Set the ground rules. Don't deviate.

And the number one rule - do not ever question any time that the missus wants to do something or go somewhere with her friends.

25 years down the line, those guidelines have served me well.

Kindred spirit............come to Cyprus sometime.

Hugh Watt wrote:

Angry wrote:

Sir John Hawkins wrote:

I agree Hugh. The whole point is the juxta position of success and feeling very little elation. Maybe that concept is a bit hard for Angers to comprehend.  That's not pompous, that's quite normal. I don't like to think of fellow fans as a bit slow on the uptake, so I'll just treat it as another Angry obtuse moment.
Beating Exeter. How exhilarating.  Must go and have a lie down, or maybe get on with some work. Musn't question the value of the flag so soon after a pitched battle for the summit.
How I miss the Devon Professional Bowl [sigh]

There is nothing normal about a somewhat depressed poster waiting to pretty much straight after the final whistle of a derby game to post a wrist slitting thread about not caring about winning against Exeter and listing all the other times he came and went from supporting the club.

perhaps those sorts of people get you hard sir john in which case jump on it but not me certainly when it wasn't something worth party pooping for.

There was about a half hour gap between the post and the final whistle actually. I personally was relieved rather than excited however I could identify with much of the sentiment of the post if not entirely agree. The post was made respectfully and It was met with a few people sharing similar sentiments, so don't think it deserves your Soper like outburst. I know it may be difficult for you to fathom but others may see things different than you and they are allowed to express that opinion here without your prior approval.

just as i am allowed to express my opinion that the thread is depressing meaningless shit whether it meets yours and others approval or not.

perhaps when people read this thread they might want to play this to read along set the mood

Flat_Track_Bully wrote:

I've never been a regular attender because I live up north. However I understand the sentiments of the OP.

For me I've fallen out of love with the game in general and that lack of interest has permeated down to my view of Argyle. In no particular order:

1) The insidious influence of the Premier League and the Champions League on the financial disparity between clubs. This has massively reduced the unpredictability and therefore excitement of the Premiership. The Prem is the showcase league for football, it's the one that everyone pays attention to regardless of the current status of their club, yet as a competition it is a farce. Most people could probably guess 5 out of the top 6 correct at the start of the season. The majority of teams (as many as 13/14 out of the 20) can only really hope to finish 6th at best. I just can't see the excitement any more in wondering which of the big four will win the title. A knock-on effect of this is that it is hard for fans of lower league clubs such as ours to have any dreams of real success. I know we have never been in the top flight, but up until the mid-90s there was always the remote possibility that we could become a successful top flight club - remember Norwich beating Bayern in the European cup? Teams like Watford, Ipswich and Palace going on good runs and getting near the top. Those days are gone, perhaps for good. Even if the stars aligned and we got a great manager, loads of financial backing and good luck, the best we could reasonably hope for is a couple of seasons finishing 10th in the Prem, before sliding back to inevitable relegation battles - where's the glamour in that? The predictability of the Premiership and exclusion of the majority of clubs from real success just saps away at the motivation for following football.

2)Diving and playacting and the 'permission to go down' attitude. I know to some extent there was always a bit of this in the game, but this cheating is basically accepted as standard now and the football authorities show no real desire to stamp it out. With the exception of drug taking in athletics and cycling, I can't think of another sport where cheating is so 'normalised'. It was actually refreshing to watch the women's football earlier this year and notice that there was barely any time wasting of play acting. I just get tired of watching it in the men's game (+ the associated bad refereeing decisions).

3) The number of transfers and the number of foreign players in all leagues. It's increasingly hard to feel any affinity with a squad of players when it changes so drastically every season. Pretty much every club will bring in 5/6 players minimum every season, most of whom will stay for 2 seasons max. It's hard to feel any emotional attachment to a squad of what you know are largely mercenary football players who have no real affinity to the club or the area. Likewise foreign signings used to be exotic - partly because if your club went to the hassle of getting a players from abroad it probably meant that they would be pretty good, or at least an exciting flair player, even if they couldn't hack it in the league. Now the majority of foreign signings are just the same mediocre level as the local players. It furthers the feeling that you are just watching a bunch of mediocre players getting paid over the odds for doing something they just consider a job, and would be doing for any club in the country if enough money was waived in front of them

4) The ridiculous hype surround football, especially the Premiership, just puts me off. No doubt it is necessary to sell newspapers/merchandise and (more likely) to cover up just how predictable most football is. The consequence of this hype is it makes football more like a soap-opera than a sport, and I've no real interest in the personal lives, or the inane opinions of the majority of people around football.

5) The sort of characters who own the majority of football clubs now. There have always been some (very) dodgy owners of football clubs, but the majority of big clubs are owned by business conglomerates or individuals who have made their wealth in pretty unsavoury ways. Football is either just a plaything, or an opportunity to make money for them. The dedication of fans (sorry, 'customers') is just used to allow these owners to screw as much money as possible out of people for the minimum of effort. Being a 'true fan' is pretty much tantamount to being a 'mug' in my book - it means you'll cough up your £20 per match + buy the merchanidise no matter how dire the 'product' is. It's harder to accept sticking with a team through the bad times when you know there are a bunch of businessmen behind the club who cant believe their luck that they still have as many 'customers' for the terrible service they are providing.

Rant over

Well played sir !

Flat_Track has hit the nail on the head.

I see where the op is coming from, argyle and football in general mean far less to me than when i was a kid and it was everything! a win over Exeter is nothing much to celebrate in my book just makes me sad that were still playing small fourth division clubs like them.... still another ten wins in a row and i might change my mind!

What a strange thread whilst top of the league and playing Exeter off the pitch!?

I wonder what Derek Adams would think if him and Brewster were scouring the message boards for a quarterly performance feedback.

"Oh look, they seem to worship Carey here. Signing him has gone down well and earned some major brownie points. What's this, give him a contract extension? Haha, will see what we can do greenpants12, that Brent seems a tight bastard if you ask me but I can only ask.

"Thread on Carl McHugh here. They seem to rate him in defensive mid, lot of love for the switch. I always knew he'd make a good enforcer in the middle of the park. Great courage for a wee young lad.

"What's this thread here? Falling out of love with Argyle? Christ these bastards are hard to please. Get a load of this Craig. Some of these boys have had enough and won't be coming back any time soon.

"We best give them what they're used to Derek. I watched them a wee bit last season. Next week all the exciting players had best go on the bench. Best tell Carey he is benched, if he's not gonna defend he is a waste of a shirt. Lets go 5 at the back, try and get a clean sheet, then make some changes at 86 mins and hope for the best. We don't want to be upsetting the fans now. Too much too soon I think pal. Better get the punters back on side and please em quickly".

And your point is what ?

Don't upset the gladiators, or they might sulk. Is that it ?

Sir John Hawkins wrote:

And your point is what ?

Don't upset the gladiators, or they might sulk. Is that it ?

That I find it pretty bizarre to 'fall out of love' with the club when we are playing the best football in decades and are top of the league.

(And this thread was posted after we just played the neighbourhood plebs off the pitch).

What has the previous 10 years given that this season hasn't/isn't? It certainly wasn't better football, better players or success.

How strange to feel this disengagement now of all times.

Give it time EJ. You will find as you fly past yer landmarks, you'll find desire shape shifts whether you like it or not. It doesn't wane, far from it, it just changes. The planet also has it's times that either suit you or they don't. It's not something you control by wifi.

ejh wrote:

Sir John Hawkins wrote:

And your point is what ?

Don't upset the gladiators, or they might sulk. Is that it ?

That I find it pretty bizarre to 'fall out of love' with the club when we are playing the best football in decades and are top of the league.

(And this thread was posted after we just played the neighbourhood plebs off the pitch).

What has the previous 10 years given that this season hasn't/isn't? It certainly wasn't better football, better players or success.

How strange to feel this disengagement now of all times.

Goodness me, imagine the elation when we beat really big sides like Walsall & Oldham ffs !

Beating exetervis the minimum requirement. The op isn't dissing Adams and co s efforts, just really giving a story about growing up.. Paven pitbull spowell womble greensam take note