Sheridan out?

Czarcasm wrote:

From here on in, Tring shall be known as the "bitter non-achiever in life".    

Tringy, my dear old thing, if things get a bit tight, don't be afraid to draw on the help and generosity of the ATD brethren and we'll get those buckets rattling for you. Xx

Will that help pay for a regular fanfest ticket......and a good sing along each home game.....

Czarcasm wrote:

From here on in, Tring shall be known as the "bitter non-achiever in life".    

Tringy, my dear old thing, if things get a bit tight, don't be afraid to draw on the help and generosity of the ATD brethren and we'll get those buckets rattling for you. Xx

Thank you, dear boy. Didn't make headmaster, or I'd be even better off now in retirement............ far too true to my principles and outspoken, to do and say things I didn't believe in, in order to gain the box seat.
Had I been brazenly ambitious, nodding like a donkey at ever changing dictats from on high and making pronouncements of admiration for the suits and their lovely families, it could have been different but hey, I'm happy and enjoying the ride, with integrity intact..................... and Guinness at 3 pints for 10 euro. Ain't the exchange rate great these days

tigertony wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Hopeless owner. Uninspiring manager and staff. Dim but devious bucket rattling superfans. Easily fooled council. Bent 'erald = Argiggle up sh*t creek without a paddle.

You're just a troll ... and a very poor troll at that.
Dim but devious bucket rattling superfans - Dim? Speak for yourself but these superfans are actually just fans who care about their club.
Uninspiring manager and staff - who are you to pass judgement on the staff in the club?
All in all I would mark you down as a bitter non-achiever in life who has raided a piggy bank and gone to live in a place where you can appear to be one of the top dogs when in reality you're just a zero.

Oh - you're very quiet today - wonder why?

From what I know of Tring that would not be the truth, either in professional or sporting matters-as for raiding a piggy bank . I happen not to agree with him about the manager but in most things Argyle, it must be said that since 2007 he has been 100% correct in the longer term prognostications for the club In contrast to the downright complacency demonstrated by many supporters. There is plainly anger and hurt in your post, you obviously have great loyalty to all things Argyle and don't wish to see anything that may be threatening to your point of view but it may be thought provoking and instructive in understanding where the man is coming from to consider Argyle's current status in relation to the many clubs who have overtaken [and are still overtaking] them over a period of decades from a no better and sometimes worse relative position, which is what drives the frustration and exasperation which clearly come across in his posts. Last night was fantastic and the world is a better place when Argyle win but it still doesn't wipe away either the anger at the "management" of the club in the past 7 years nor the slightly uneasy feeling about what the future may hold under the present regime.

I am a bit of a snob with the Sheridan [and Fletcher before him] style of semi literate football speak but Greenskin knows his onions re Argyle and ee goes games, so I'm preparing to be amazed.

Tringreen wrote:

Hitch wrote:

tigertony wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Hopeless owner. Uninspiring manager and staff. Dim but devious bucket rattling superfans. Easily fooled council. Bent 'erald = Argiggle up sh*t creek without a paddle.

You're just a troll ... and a very poor troll at that.
Dim but devious bucket rattling superfans - Dim? Speak for yourself but these superfans are actually just fans who care about their club.
Uninspiring manager and staff - who are you to pass judgement on the staff in the club?
All in all I would mark you down as a bitter non-achiever in life who has raided a piggy bank and gone to live in a place where you can appear to be one of the top dogs when in reality you're just a zero.

Oh - you're very quiet today - wonder why?

I'm sure Tring can defend himself very capably. He has however been remarkably accurate in calling the demise of the club blow by blow for many years. Weirdly prophetic even.
As for choosing to live in a super climate that is far easier on aching and aging limbs it seems rather sensible to me. And I'm sure you didn't mean to infer Tring had raided somebody else's piggy bank to be able to afford the little luxuries in life? Credit for filling his own piggy bank and having the sense not to piss a lot of it away over many years watching a lot of footballing rubbish sold to the addicted by devious owner after devious owner.
Apart from that fair play to you.

Frikkin freezin out here in the land of Arabs with socks ! Suppose that makes me a racist in the land of the blind , where the one eyed Aviva  is king. Geddon

Well I bleedy hope they're green socks tring. You been in the water yet ?

Nah......... only go in from June til September. I'm not a tourist.

Tend not to advertise my footballing allegiance any more. So no green socks. Can't follow any other club, so just a passive onlooker these days. I daresay that when brent and his jamboys leave the building , I'll be able to fight the good fight again.

Love

The bitter non achiever in life.

Iggy wrote:

There were plenty of opportunities for all the youngsters to make a place for themselves post admin when we didn't have any real player of note, Nelson did it Young didn't, he still hasn't proved anybody wrong, STFU now it's becoming boring, crow when we're proved wrong.

Yep!
It would be great to develop 3 or 4 local boys but that means paying wages to them. Surely our aim is to get promotion and that money may pay 2 experienced players. Which youngsters have we released in the past (not sold during normal or admin times) who has proved us completely wrong. In my view thats youngsters presently playing in top 2 tiers. ?
I'm struggling!

Sheridan out NOW before it's too late.

Hitch wrote:

Sheridan out NOW before it's too late.

So true you said it twice! We don't want any of this top of the table shit,far too used to fighting relegation.

SHERIDAN OUT AND TAKE REID WITH YOU! BRING BACK FLETCH!

At last a sober post on this thread., yours Greeny, not mine.

The boys done good today, including Shez.

X Isle wrote:

Cornish Chris wrote:

This is the best Argyle side for years, and the best we could manage was a brief pre-Christmas flirt with the top five.

Yep, the ingredients should be good enough given their experience, time to try a new chef.

Hold the P45, the chef has turned it round.

I retain some reservations, we remain as prone to long iffy spells as we are capable of stringing long winning runs together. But having given up on him post 'Pool he's pulled four wins on the bounce and that you can't argue with.

Credit where it's due, well done John Sheridan. Now, leep it up.

The criticisms when they were made were valid. The team was weakened when the loanees went back, we did need repacements for them, the squad was threadbare and the 1st XI wasn't up to it. It was a crisis.

But since then O'Connor and Bobby Reid have returned, Kellett has been replaced and, perhaps most crucially of all, Hartley and Nelson are both back and fully fit again.

The result of all of this is a run of defeats have been turned into a run of wins and it has happened early enough for us still to be in with a sniff of automatic promotion.

So right now it is all good but let's not delude ourselves that our situation is anything other than shakey.

After today we've lost Olly Lee for 3 games, maybe permanently, and Reuben could be injured... All it takes is another injury or two and a suspension and we're right back where we were when we couldn't buy a win.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

The criticisms when they were made were valid. The team was weakened when the loanees went back, we did need repacements for them, the squad was threadbare and the 1st XI wasn't up to it. It was a crisis.

But since then O'Connor and Bobby Reid have returned, Kellett has been replaced and, perhaps most crucially of all, Hartley and Nelson are both back and fully fit again.

The result of all of this is a run of defeats have been turned into a run of wins and it has happened early enough for us still to be in with a sniff of automatic promotion.

So right now it is all good but let's not delude ourselves that our situation is anything other than shakey.

After today we've lost Olly Lee for 3 games, maybe permanently, and Reuben could be injured... All it takes is another injury or two and a suspension and we're right back where we were when we couldn't buy a win.

All of which is true but hardly all Sheridan's fault. He's doing fine with what he has. But like all managers on a shoestring he needs luck.

Lees' red may be challenged, sparks and Errington reckon he didn't touch the player that went down, a threadbare squad will always rely on luck at this stage of the season but Shez is doing great with what he has. Allesandra is on fire by the sounds of it, unlucky not to score a couple of times today.

In January we have seen Holmes-Dennis come in, Talbot come in, Brunt sign a contract, O'Connor sign a contract, Bobby Reid return, Hartley come back from injury - and results magically improve.

JB was given dog's abuse when the team's form was poor, does he deserve any credit for signing more than a few players when the going was tough - effectively, most of the players involved in our turnaround?

After criticising Sheridan, I am glad he has turned it around. I thought at the close of the transfer window we did some excellent business and both the chairman and the manager deserve congratulating for the rewards (4 wins in 4).

I think the team assembled is top 3/4 quality. It is a shame they haven't played the whole season together otherwise we would likely be looking at automatic promotion. However with 14 games remaining and 7 points the difference, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we sneaked it.

It'll be tough. To get 7 points we need to win 3 in a row. Whoever we're chasing will probably get 5 points in their corresponding 3 games so we're still 3 behind. Probably need to win another 2 to catch up.

That's 5 wins in a row on top of the 4 game winning run we're on.

And then there'll be 9 games left that we need to go WDWD etc in to maintain the position.

Impossible? No. Unlikely? Yes.

But you never know and we should definitely try.

ejh wrote:

In January we have seen Holmes-Dennis come in, Talbot come in, Brunt sign a contract, O'Connor sign a contract, Bobby Reid return, Hartley come back from injury - and results magically improve.

JB was given dog's abuse when the team's form was poor, does he deserve any credit for signing more than a few players when the going was tough - effectively, most of the players involved in our turnaround?

After criticising Sheridan, I am glad he has turned it around. I thought at the close of the transfer window we did some excellent business and both the chairman and the manager deserve congratulating for the rewards (4 wins in 4).

I think the team assembled is top 3/4 quality. It is a shame they haven't played the whole season together otherwise we would likely be looking at automatic promotion. However with 14 games remaining and 7 points the difference, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we sneaked it.

I would be surprised.

As pleasing as it is to see the iffy period ended by four wins on the bounce, I personally don't have much confidence we've seen the last of the doldrums. Our form over the last couple of seasons has been that of 'feast or famine'. There's no steady and consistent grinding out of 'pointage', it seems to be win for a month or so then lose/draw for a month or so. If we gained some solid consistency I might become more confident.

Also recall the other promotion teams down the years, they've all included spells where we've seemed imperious, almost unbeatable, we've played long periods with a confident swagger. Can we honestly say that's been the case this season?  

I agree the team assembled is good enough to do it, but they stutter from time to time and doesn't breed confidence. The January window and the loanee absence/turnover didn't help, so charitably i'll now write that blip off. However it doesn't explain the other 3,4,5 game spells we've had where we seem lost in a wilderness seemingly of our own making.    

I'm laying off calling for a manager change but still retain a feeling there's something 'not quite right' about the way results and performances have been occurring. It doesn't say 'promotion team' to me, but I'll happily take being surprised.

Loanees in and out has been our problem, period, if we could keep the team that played on Saturday until the end of the season we may well be in with a chance, more chop and change and we will dither and fail.

Iggy wrote:

Loanees in and out has been our problem, period, if we could keep the team that played on Saturday until the end of the season we may well be in with a chance, more chop and change and we will dither and fail.

I'm charitably conceding that for the recent 'wilderness weeks', I agree, hence I'm backing off him.

It doesn't however explain the following 'doldrum' winless spells over the last two seasons....

14/09/13 - 22/10/13 - seven games.
11/01/14 - 01/02/14 - four games.
22/03/14 - 05/04/14 - three games.
12/04/14 - 03/05/14 - five games.
22/11/14 - 13/12/14 - three games.

Or to be fair even the start of the 'January window rot' which actually commenced on Boxing Day.

Let us all hope this side stays together and continues to win together.

X Isle wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Loanees in and out has been our problem, period, if we could keep the team that played on Saturday until the end of the season we may well be in with a chance, more chop and change and we will dither and fail.

I'm charitably conceding that for the recent 'wilderness weeks', I agree, hence I'm backing off him.

It doesn't however explain the following 'doldrum' winless spells over the last two seasons....

14/09/13 - 22/10/13 - seven games.
11/01/14 - 01/02/14 - four games.
22/03/14 - 05/04/14 - three games.
12/04/14 - 03/05/14 - five games.
22/11/14 - 13/12/14 - three games.

Or to be fair even the start of the 'January window rot' which actually commenced on Boxing Day.

Let us all hope this side stays together and continues to win together.    

For your explanation of the doldrums look no further than the chairman, looking for promotion on the cheap due to underfunded acquisition of Argyle, a huge part of the equation being left out here.

That's true.

Brent has essentially bought Argyle without paying for it.

By selling the ground back to PCC it was really them that funded the takeover and Brent's reticent approach to putting his hand in his pocket before, during and after his takeover is really quite remarkable.

I suppose that he had no obligation to pay back the debt hangover, because it wasn't him that ran it up to start with, but by virtue of loading it back against the club it has impacted on our playing budget ever since.

I think this is why simple souls like me who pay for everything we buy with our own money struggle to understand why the money we have paid in council tax to our council has resulted in Brent owning Argyle when it could just as easily have been the council who could have stepped in, assumed ownership in the short term before selling it on to a buyer (and recouping some of their outlay) or, if it had to be given away gratis, just donated it to the Argyle Trust or the Junior Greens or whoever rather than giving it to a wealthy and very parsimonious man who has stripped the club of assets and insisted on competitive commercial rates of interest for any money he has actually LOANED the club.

Has Brent actually spent anything at all on Argyle?

Iggy wrote:

X Isle wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Loanees in and out has been our problem, period, if we could keep the team that played on Saturday until the end of the season we may well be in with a chance, more chop and change and we will dither and fail.

I'm charitably conceding that for the recent 'wilderness weeks', I agree, hence I'm backing off him.

It doesn't however explain the following 'doldrum' winless spells over the last two seasons....

14/09/13 - 22/10/13 - seven games.
11/01/14 - 01/02/14 - four games.
22/03/14 - 05/04/14 - three games.
12/04/14 - 03/05/14 - five games.
22/11/14 - 13/12/14 - three games.

Or to be fair even the start of the 'January window rot' which actually commenced on Boxing Day.

Let us all hope this side stays together and continues to win together.    

For your explanation of the doldrums look no further than the chairman, looking for promotion on the cheap due to underfunded acquisition of Argyle, a huge part of the equation being left out here.

So when a team that can win, that does win, stops winning it's the owners doing. But while it is winning, it isn't his doing. I don't get that logic but then neither do credit football club owners with that much influence. Beyond giving the budget for the manager to set the team up in the first place, they can't make a losing team win or a winning team stop winning.

There's something not quite right in the motivation or preparation sometimes, and as much as you'd like it to be, it ain't the owner.

X Isle wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Loanees in and out has been our problem, period, if we could keep the team that played on Saturday until the end of the season we may well be in with a chance, more chop and change and we will dither and fail.

I'm charitably conceding that for the recent 'wilderness weeks', I agree, hence I'm backing off him.

It doesn't however explain the following 'doldrum' winless spells over the last two seasons....

14/09/13 - 22/10/13 - seven games.
11/01/14 - 01/02/14 - four games.
22/03/14 - 05/04/14 - three games.
12/04/14 - 03/05/14 - five games.
22/11/14 - 13/12/14 - three games.

Or to be fair even the start of the 'January window rot' which actually commenced on Boxing Day.

Let us all hope this side stays together and continues to win together.    

If I could be fecked, I'm pretty sure I could find similar periods over the same timespan that yielded unbeaten spells, which kinda nullifies any point you seek to make.

We've been an upper-middling team pretty much for all of that period. We're not particularly great, conversely we're not shite, so little spells of good or bad results are what will follow - and they have.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

That's true.

Brent has essentially bought Argyle without paying for it.

By selling the ground back to PCC it was really them that funded the takeover and Brent's reticent approach to putting his hand in his pocket before, during and after his takeover is really quite remarkable.

I suppose that he had no obligation to pay back the debt hangover, because it wasn't him that ran it up to start with, but by virtue of loading it back against the club it has impacted on our playing budget ever since.

I think this is why simple souls like me who pay for everything we buy with our own money struggle to understand why the money we have paid in council tax to our council has resulted in Brent owning Argyle when it could just as easily have been the council who could have stepped in, assumed ownership in the short term before selling it on to a buyer (and recouping some of their outlay) or, if it had to be given away gratis, just donated it to the Argyle Trust or the Junior Greens or whoever rather than giving it to a wealthy and very parsimonious man who has stripped the club of assets and insisted on competitive commercial rates of interest for any money he has actually LOANED the club.

Has Brent actually spent anything at all on Argyle?

he defines the term something for nothing

X Isle wrote:

Iggy wrote:

X Isle wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Loanees in and out has been our problem, period, if we could keep the team that played on Saturday until the end of the season we may well be in with a chance, more chop and change and we will dither and fail.

I'm charitably conceding that for the recent 'wilderness weeks', I agree, hence I'm backing off him.

It doesn't however explain the following 'doldrum' winless spells over the last two seasons....

14/09/13 - 22/10/13 - seven games.
11/01/14 - 01/02/14 - four games.
22/03/14 - 05/04/14 - three games.
12/04/14 - 03/05/14 - five games.
22/11/14 - 13/12/14 - three games.

Or to be fair even the start of the 'January window rot' which actually commenced on Boxing Day.

Let us all hope this side stays together and continues to win together.    

For your explanation of the doldrums look no further than the chairman, looking for promotion on the cheap due to underfunded acquisition of Argyle, a huge part of the equation being left out here.

So when a team that can win, that does win, stops winning it's the owners doing. But while it is winning, it isn't his doing. I don't get that logic but then neither do credit football club owners with that much influence. Beyond giving the budget for the manager to set the team up in the first place, they can't make a losing team win or a winning team stop winning.

There's something not quite right in the motivation or preparation sometimes, and as much as you'd like it to be, it ain't the owner.

The bad spell was nothing to do with motivation or preparation, it was purely and simply because key players such as Nelson and Hartley [especially] were injured and the loan signings returned to their clubs for varying lengths of time. That would seem to be the point that Iggy is making, the fact that Argyle's squad was [maybe is] threadbare to the extent that they were unable to cope with the loss of so many key players in that period. As for owners not influencing matters-really? So Hayward was nothing to do with Wolves climb back through the leagues, Walker not influential at Blackburn, Abramovich at Chelsea, Whelan at Wigan etc, etc. Seems like conclusive evidence that owners can be very influential factors in the fortunes of clubs, to my eyes anyway.