How much will it cost to move James Brent on? (And how can we raise it?)

Les Miserable wrote:

spacehopper wrote:

You lot want to get rid of the man who saved us!! Call yourself proper supporters ?

             NEXT !!

FFS ! Another bloody brent fan.

Brent out !

Hugh Watt wrote:

X Isle wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Jethro wrote:

Couldn't be any worse then Brent could he

Oh yes he could

Rarely in agreement with Damon, but on that one, hell yeah 

Careful what you all wish for Jethro.

I'm hanging on in there with support because for all the long standing finger pointing and name calling the wheel hasn't fallen off and we're making steps forwards, albeit pixie steps. As Wotts put in on 'the only way is up', "every journey starts with a step".

If it all goes horribly wrong I'll be sure to acknowledge the wisdom and foresight of the doomsayers. Just wish they'd asked more questions and pointing their fingers as vigorously at the NWO when they were busy racking up the debts that nearly killed us.

Ask questions all you like but right now that's all we have, question marks. There are no failures. Every question mark of course deserves an answer so I'll see what ends up being delivered (or otherwise) before I start wishing for the likes of Ken Bates. But then I have some patience and some realism over just how difficult the post administration landscape was, and continues to be.    

In one sentence, Thats why everyone on here thinks you are a bellend

Everyone? Bit harsh Hugh. I recks it's only about 98%.

Quote....... Just wish they'd asked more questions and pointing their fingers as vigorously at the NWO when they were busy racking up the debts that nearly killed us.
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Some of us were trying but were sent to the naughty step and told to 'enjoy the ride' and 'I'll never hear a bad word about that man and his lovely family'.

Sound familiar ?

No good just being right and banging on about it. WE need to form a plan for progress and carry it out. Suggest first move is to decide if the AFT is a suitable vehicle for progress.

It would seem that the AFT is the only vehicle for progress. However.. It seems slightly lame.

pepsipete wrote:

No good just being right and banging on about it.  WE need to form a plan for progress and carry it out.  Suggest first move is to decide if the AFT is a suitable vehicle for progress.

I have tried to motivate the Trust into real action. Even offered my services.

Tringreen wrote:

pepsipete wrote:

No good just being right and banging on about it.  WE need to form a plan for progress and carry it out.  Suggest first move is to decide if the AFT is a suitable vehicle for progress.

I have tried to motivate the Trust into real action. Even offered my services.

I am really pleased to see that you have offered your services to the AFT. Looking forward to seeing you in action and what you are actually going to do for the benefit of all the supporters.

Ballboy1958EGS wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

pepsipete wrote:

No good just being right and banging on about it.  WE need to form a plan for progress and carry it out.  Suggest first move is to decide if the AFT is a suitable vehicle for progress.

I have tried to motivate the Trust into real action. Even offered my services.

I am really pleased to see that you have offered your services to the AFT. Looking forward to seeing you in action and what you are actually going to do for the benefit of all the supporters.

So reassuring to know......we can only wait and hope.....  

Tringreen wrote:

Quote....... Just wish they'd asked more questions and pointing their fingers as vigorously at the NWO when they were busy racking up the debts that nearly killed us.
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Some of us were trying but were sent to the naughty step and told to 'enjoy the ride' and 'I'll never hear a bad word about that man and his lovely family'.

Sound familiar ?

Same splitters on their way up the greasy green pole - any port in a storm!!

Could we have a worse owner than James Brent? Of course we can.

This guy wears leather gloves to a football match. He's a cat stroker.
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We could also have Ken Bates who called his own fans 'animals' and turned his stadium into a prison yard.

We could have a guy who bought the debt and turned Home Park into a housing estate - he hasn't.

The same people who 'hate' Brent also hated Dan 666. Squeeky wheels.

Dan666 who managed to get crowds of 2500 at Argyle when people used to actually go to the football, Whadda guy. Mind you he actually put his own money into the club, shame he skimped on the concrete in the footings of the Lyndy so that we can't build on top of it.

Can you confirm the crowd size ?

No it's a guess Zyphe but I went all the time back then, Tuesday night games were the quietist that I have ever seen At HP IMO that is.

Iggy wrote:

No it's a guess Zyphe but I went all the time back then, Tuesday night games were the quietist that I have ever seen At HP IMO that is.

Only 2,500 you say ?

zyph wrote:

Iggy wrote:

No it's a guess Zyphe but I went all the time back then, Tuesday night games were the quietist that I have ever seen At HP IMO that is.

Only 2,500 you say ?

Here is what GOS says...

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Plenty around 2 to 3k in the eighties and nineties, div. 2 and 3 though they could be the same league?

Some very low attendances in the 70's too before the Waiters' revival and Mariner/Rafferty. Even the season we were promoted started badly and attendances were only 5k. By the end of the season and a winning team, there were several attendances in the high teens / low twenties, culminating in almost 30k when we beat Blackburn to go top of the third tier.

The disappointment and frustration of missing out yet again when Mariner and co. were sold and replaced by also rans, just as with Holloway's team, manifested itself in the very low attendances in the 80's/90's. The violence surrounding football didn't help, admittedly.

The six championship seasons has enabled the core fanbase to grow to 6/7k but it won't last long as memories fade, the clusterfuck cements our lower league future and the fayre on offer is village............. although some janners just love 'village'. Geddon...........

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Brent's plan has been dead in the water for some time now and he has no interest in Argyle as a football club whatsoever.

He must be desperate now for an exit that allows him to carry on plundering Plymouth City Council (and Torbay CC) for all he can without the high profile that his activities attract as a football club owner.

It's in his interests to leave, accepting the plaudits for having saved Argyle as he does, and it's in our interests for him to leave so that his plan  for HHP can be buried once and for all alongside the rest.

So 1) how much hard cash would it take to get rid of him? and 2) let's get bucket rattling to raise it!

It really is time to give this some serious thought.

We are steaming towards that iceberg!

So we need 5 million to buy the club and 2 million for this balloon man. That is a tonne of Balloons

Seriously though it will be handled in the manner that everything before it was. Badly.

Vanarama here we come.

Iggy wrote:

Plenty around 2 to 3k in the eighties and nineties, div. 2 and 3 though they could be the same league?

That was back before we had segregation as well.

Elias wrote:

there must be somebody somewhere to save argyle !

I do not believe there is and for that matter, i think Argyle in its current guise are doomed.

Unless promotion is achieved this season and next season in front of a packed HP [and that is questionable], then the club as it stands will fold, only to become a distant memory in the minds and souls of the football pyramid.

We could all be talking about Argyle in the past tense sooner, rather than later. The fault lies at the feet of Paul Stapleton and the idiotic ideas of others [pre-administration], who have driven Argyle to the brink of extinction.

James Brent is not a true football man and he never will be. This leaves the club in a precarious position, what with the balloon payment getting ever closer. Argyle will struggle to meet that payment i believe and if that does turn out to be the case, the FL will banish the club to the ''even lower leagues'', who will in turn banish the club even further.

ejh wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Plenty around 2 to 3k in the eighties and nineties, div. 2 and 3 though they could be the same league?

That was back before we had segregation as well.

Yes, but the club were not up to their eyeballs in debt (like they are now) back in the 70s and 80s and 90s.

I have stood in very low crowds at HP during the 80s.

Back in the 80s, Argyle used to be a very good Division Three side who sometimes flirted with promotion, but never got relegated to Division Four. That changed in the 90s and beyond.

VillageGreen wrote:

ejh wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Plenty around 2 to 3k in the eighties and nineties, div. 2 and 3 though they could be the same league?

That was back before we had segregation as well.

Yes, but the club were not up to their eyeballs in debt (like they are now) back in the 70s and 80s and 90s.

I have stood in very low crowds at HP during the 80s.

Back in the 80s, Argyle used to be a very good Division Three side who sometimes flirted with promotion, but never got relegated to Division Four. That changed in the 90s and beyond.

I remember we were in financial trouble before Mad Dan turned up

Hugh Watt wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

ejh wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Plenty around 2 to 3k in the eighties and nineties, div. 2 and 3 though they could be the same league?

That was back before we had segregation as well.

Yes, but the club were not up to their eyeballs in debt (like they are now) back in the 70s and 80s and 90s.

I have stood in very low crowds at HP during the 80s.

Back in the 80s, Argyle used to be a very good Division Three side who sometimes flirted with promotion, but never got relegated to Division Four. That changed in the 90s and beyond.

I remember we were in financial trouble before Mad Dan turned up

Ah, i remember that now   .

For all of his ills though, i think Dan the Man did care about Argyle, but the fans/other issues got to him and he resigned. His final parting gift was to pay for part of the stadium rebuild [that is what i heard anyway].

I would welcome back Dan the Man at this moment in time (just to steady the ship and get Argyle in to League One and stay there), but we all know that will never, ever happen.

We are where we are because of PS and Co.

Looking back now, perhaps it would have been better had Argyle folded before James Brent came in and rescued the club [SIC]. A new club could have been formed and begin again from whatever division they would have been put in - South West Peninsula Football League.

As for the future of Argyle as it stands right now, well it does not look healthy does it.

1) HHP is a non-starter [so it now appears and hooray to that].
2) James Brent and the Board are reluctant to elaborate anything new until October this year,which leaves us all in limbo.
3) The club have the balloon payment moving ever closer.
4) PCC are just being PCC.
5) The team seem to be stuttering in another League Two campaign [early doors i know].
6) And finally, certain fans are going crazy over on PASOTI with how everything is panning out [or not panning out].

As Verte states - People see what they want to see. I think there is a section of the fanbase that would enjoy seeing Brent fail and Argyle to be in peril - they seem to thrive on it  

crownhillpilgrim replies - A very small minority... remember, there are also those who would like to see the current plans as they stand fail because they are unambitious and ill-conceived.
It's not schadenfreude, but a desire not to see Argyle hemmed in by a small-time, third-rate development and ill-suited third parties   .

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Oh, and we have a game tomorrow too..