How much will it cost to move James Brent on? (And how can we raise it?)

We are all in general agreement concerning possible scenarios. The one thing we don't want to happen is the HHP development and land lost to brent.

The only fans group placed to represent the future of the club is the Trust and it will only grow in membership and power when it grabs the bull by the horns and attacks the current proposals, appeals to the wider fanbase, the council and anyone who will listen.

I'm aware I'm repeating myself.

I would rather stick with the grandstand as it is than build a smaller version to benefit an asset stripper. The people who have enabled this development will never be forgotten.
Muriel anyone?

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

I have spoken to Chris many times regarding the Club. He really has no interest in football whatsoever. The numbers don't make sense to him for shirt sponsorship - and certainly don't in club ownership. The only personal sporting interest Chris has is in Motorbikes and he doesn't see the value in sponsoring that either. His sport, his passion is business (and he's pretty good at that).  

The numbers in football don't make sense to any businessman - you need to love the club/game. Which is why Dawson would be a disaster. In much the same way Brent has been.

There are one or two very wealthy individuals that I know of who are Argyle fans - but I fear that the money Brent would want to move aside would be prohibitive to anyone - despite the fact that he has put very little in, except for the 'loans' of course which he would want back with interest.

Someone would probably have to bite the bullet and pay Brent a few mill to move on. I know I wouldn't want to pay him one penny more that he has put in.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

I have spoken to Chris many times regarding the Club. He really has no interest in football whatsoever. The numbers don't make sense to him for shirt sponsorship - and certainly don't in club ownership. The only personal sporting interest Chris has is in Motorbikes and he doesn't see the value in sponsoring that either. His sport, his passion is business (and he's pretty good at that).  

Didn't have the plant pots I needed the other day, though. Bleddy rubbash.

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

I have spoken to Chris many times regarding the Club. He really has no interest in football whatsoever. The numbers don't make sense to him for shirt sponsorship - and certainly don't in club ownership. The only personal sporting interest Chris has is in Motorbikes and he doesn't see the value in sponsoring that either. His sport, his passion is business (and he's pretty good at that).  

The numbers in football don't make sense to any businessman - you need to love the club/game. Which is why Dawson would be a disaster. In much the same way Brent has been.

There are one or two very wealthy individuals that I know of who are Argyle fans - but I fear that the money Brent would want to move aside would be prohibitive to anyone - despite the fact that he has put very little in, except for the 'loans' of course which he would want back with interest.

Someone would probably have to bite the bullet and pay Brent a few mill to move on. I know I wouldn't want to pay him one penny more that he has put in.

The numbers do not need to make sense if the money is loaned - only the terms of the loan do.

If somebody had a few mil hanging around they didn't know what to do with then why not lend it to a person or persons or organisation to whom the numbers would need to make sense?

I can't see why Argyle should necessarily, at this level, be a money loser at all. Quite the reverse - a successful team would be a license to print money. The time to take an option is when the stock is low - and it couldn't be much lower than now.

Everybody who bought in at this level last time made a mint. Why shouldn't the next lot? (Or better still if it was, say AFT, they could use the profits to pay (some of) the loan back.)

The time to put money into Argyle is now. I just wish I had some!

I don't buy into the model that says a vast income/expenditure gap is necessary for a team to be successful at all. Not in Leagues 2&1 anyway.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

I have spoken to Chris many times regarding the Club. He really has no interest in football whatsoever. The numbers don't make sense to him for shirt sponsorship - and certainly don't in club ownership. The only personal sporting interest Chris has is in Motorbikes and he doesn't see the value in sponsoring that either. His sport, his passion is business (and he's pretty good at that).  

The numbers in football don't make sense to any businessman - you need to love the club/game. Which is why Dawson would be a disaster. In much the same way Brent has been.

There are one or two very wealthy individuals that I know of who are Argyle fans - but I fear that the money Brent would want to move aside would be prohibitive to anyone - despite the fact that he has put very little in, except for the 'loans' of course which he would want back with interest.

Someone would probably have to bite the bullet and pay Brent a few mill to move on. I know I wouldn't want to pay him one penny more that he has put in.

The numbers do not need to make sense if the money is loaned - only the terms of the loan do.

If somebody had a few mil hanging around they didn't know what to do with then why not lend it to a person or persons or organisation to whom the numbers would need to make sense?

I can't see why Argyle should necessarily, at this level, be a money loser at all. Quite the reverse - a successful team would be a license to print money. The time to take an option is when the stock is low - and it couldn't be much lower than now.

Everybody who bought in at this level last time made a mint. Why shouldn't the next lot? (Or better still if it was, say AFT, they could use the profits to pay (some of) the loan back.)

The time to put money into Argyle is now. I just wish I had some!

I don't buy into the model that says a vast income/expenditure gap is necessary for a team to be successful at all. Not in Leagues 2&1 anyway.

I am guessing that despite the stock being at its lowest, the price would not be.

Only a guestimate but the minimum it is going to cost is the debt level - somewhere in the region of £4-5million.
I bought into the Club when it was in the Championship and valued at £3 million.

What was it again? Integrity, openess and sustainability? How feckin sustainable is £5m of debt on a league 2 club who doesn't own it's own ground? I'm obviously not educated enough to work that one out.

Iggy wrote:

What was it again? Integrity, openess and sustainability? How feckin sustainable is £5m of debt on a league 2 club who doesn't own it's own ground? I'm obviously not educated enough to work that one out.

honesty, transparency, fan engaging,............mmmmmmmm what other lies were told?

x -throbber should know, he shouted enough of us realists down on the other insignificant site, seems though he and porky are laying lower than a snake's belly these days where speccy is concerned.

what happened to Ken bates ?

Jethro wrote:

what happened to Ken bates ?

82yrs old....sacked as Honorary President of Leeds last year over disagreement over expenses.....possibly retired to Monaco.

Couldn't be any worse then Brent could he

Jethro wrote:

Couldn't be any worse then Brent could he

Oh yes he could

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Jethro wrote:

Couldn't be any worse then Brent could he

Oh yes he could

Only if ee's a fine gentleman !

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Jethro wrote:

Couldn't be any worse then Brent could he

Oh yes he could

The truth is we will never know until somebody trustworthy looks into his eyes and passes judgement! Never fails.    Ahh pig hug.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Jethro wrote:

Couldn't be any worse then Brent could he

Oh yes he could

doubt it

Jethro wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Jethro wrote:

Couldn't be any worse then Brent could he

Oh yes he could

doubt it

You've not met Bates then Jethro?

Let's just forget Bates.

There is a serious point to this thread (and Bates isn't it): if Brent went tits up, and let's face it recent events suggest he's far less bullet-proof than we once thought, then what the hell could we do?

Should we allow a second administration which would see a draconian, make no mistake about that, penalty applied by the FL leading to certain elimination from the FL? This would be the bright business option because more debt (sorry PAST & DT etc) would be written off unpaid or buy in before that happens, avoid the inevitable FL penalty, somehow honour the current debts and continue to build from there.

The unknown factor, of course, being exactly how much debt Brent has leveraged onto the club since he took over.

We could be toppling on the brink of a precipice right now and not even realise it.

Whatever did happen to all that corporate dilligence, openness and transparency, eh?

'Ee's a fine gentleman....ee gets it..........as soon as the Windsor Boys gave him their devious, self promoting seals of approval, it was obvious we were in big trouble. 'We saved the club !' dear oh dear...............

Some people will do anything, say anything, corrupt anything, for their AAA passes.

Napoleon has been worming his way into the club for almost a decade. Silencing dissidents. Rattling buckets. Backing anyone in a suit at HP.

It still amazes me how he has got away with it for so long. The reluctant one spotted his usefulness in corrupting others right from the outset.

Small minded janner. Born within hearing of the dockyard siren......... foreshore.

All the Presidents Men wrote:

Iggy wrote:

What was it again? Integrity, openess and sustainability? How feckin sustainable is £5m of debt on a league 2 club who doesn't own it's own ground? I'm obviously not educated enough to work that one out.

honesty, transparency, fan engaging,............mmmmmmmm what other lies were told?

x -throbber should know, he shouted enough of us realists down on the other insignificant site, seems though he and porky are laying lower than a snake's belly these days where speccy is concerned.

he should be given the rogues march ! can think of a few more who should join him.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Let's just forget Bates.

There is a serious point to this thread (and Bates isn't it): if Brent went tits up, and let's face it recent events suggest he's far less bullet-proof than we once thought, then what the hell could we do?

Should we allow a second administration which would see a draconian, make no mistake about that, penalty applied by the FL leading to certain elimination from the FL? This would be the bright business option because more debt (sorry PAST & DT etc) would be written off unpaid or buy in before that happens, avoid the inevitable FL penalty, somehow honour the current debts and continue to build from there.

The unknown factor, of course, being exactly how much debt Brent has leveraged onto the club since he took over.

We could be toppling on the brink of a precipice right now and not even realise it.

Whatever did happen to all that corporate dilligence, openness and transparency, eh?

Reading between the lines, if the 'super structure' does not get off the ground, for whatever spurious reason - we'em toast and playing in god knows what league!! Good analogy!!  

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Jethro wrote:

Couldn't be any worse then Brent could he

Oh yes he could

Rarely in agreement with Damon, but on that one, hell yeah 

Careful what you all wish for Jethro.

I'm hanging on in there with support because for all the long standing finger pointing and name calling the wheel hasn't fallen off and we're making steps forwards, albeit pixie steps. As Wotts put in on 'the only way is up', "every journey starts with a step".

If it all goes horribly wrong I'll be sure to acknowledge the wisdom and foresight of the doomsayers. Just wish they'd asked more questions and pointing their fingers as vigorously at the NWO when they were busy racking up the debts that nearly killed us.

Ask questions all you like but right now that's all we have, question marks. There are no failures. Every question mark of course deserves an answer so I'll see what ends up being delivered (or otherwise) before I start wishing for the likes of Ken Bates. But then I have some patience and some realism over just how difficult the post administration landscape was, and continues to be.

X Isle wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Jethro wrote:

Couldn't be any worse then Brent could he

Oh yes he could

Rarely in agreement with Damon, but on that one, hell yeah 

Careful what you all wish for Jethro.

I'm hanging on in there with support because for all the long standing finger pointing and name calling the wheel hasn't fallen off and we're making steps forwards, albeit pixie steps. As Wotts put in on 'the only way is up', "every journey starts with a step".

If it all goes horribly wrong I'll be sure to acknowledge the wisdom and foresight of the doomsayers. Just wish they'd asked more questions and pointing their fingers as vigorously at the NWO when they were busy racking up the debts that nearly killed us.

Ask questions all you like but right now that's all we have, question marks. There are no failures. Every question mark of course deserves an answer so I'll see what ends up being delivered (or otherwise) before I start wishing for the likes of Ken Bates. But then I have some patience and some realism over just how difficult the post administration landscape was, and continues to be.    

In one sentence, Thats why everyone on here thinks you are a bellend

What's that throbbing noise? Is that a lolocoptor I can hear? LMFAO.

You lot want to get rid of the man who saved us!! Call yourself proper supporters ?

spacehopper wrote:

You lot want to get rid of the man who saved us!! Call yourself proper supporters ?

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