Nigel Farage

Clearly it doesn't relate to Farage at all.
You were quite happy to talk about Tower Hamlets earlier this afternoon. Whats changed ?

I think you'll find that LT brought Tower Hamlets in.

I checked one "fact" and it wasn't a fact at all.

I honestly don't get the point. What is it?

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

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FACTs. There are no non Muslims on Tower Hamlets council executive

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Looks like LT is completely wrong on this one.

Not a fact at all.

Oh FFS Ducky, that is just a few pencil necks who can't take a dump without asking Rahman or one of his exclusively Muslim "Executive" for permission.

You should be careful cos dim people will read the tosh you post and not realise they are being shafted up the pooper and that is not fair, try a little truth without the disingenuity from time to time, it will make you a better person, which to be fair wouldn't be hard.

What was it? Oh yes.

"Lies, damn lies and the LibLabCon."

"It could always be worse" trademark all the apologists who have landed us with this totally useless form of government. I always had Franny down as a retired teacher I am now convinced he is a retired civil servant or has in some way benefited from the present political system, it's the only thing that makes sense.   

No Doubt, he's happy with his lot, so everything's just fine.   

Iggy wrote:

"It could always be worse" trademark all the apologists who have landed us with this totally useless form of government. I always had Franny down as a retired teacher I am now convinced he is a retired civil servant or has in some way benefited from the present political system, it's the only thing that makes sense.   

If you knew his politics, you'd know that he's very, very sceptical and angry about the present political system. So am I.

But we can have those feelings without feeling for a second that UKIP are anything even remotely approaching the answer with their promise of a flat tax and the full privatisation of the NHS. I never thought that on an ATD thread that I'd EVER be defining myself by the same political terminology as Lord Tisdale but I too see myself as an old style socialist (or similar). As such, I think capitalism is the fault of most of society's ills- not immigrants. That's why, as pissed off as I am with the current system, I don't think that a bunch of elitist, racist, homophobic, sexist, uber-Thatcherite, anti-worker, aristocratic toffs would be anything resembling an improvement or anything resembling a kickback against the establishment.

And I don't usually like speaking for people, but I would venture to say that Franny is probably thinking along similar lines.

The smiley was there for a reason Sam, I have got the general gist of Frannies politics and I don't think that they are a million miles away from mine, in the same vein as Franny isn't a Tory I'm not a ukiper but I am anti capitalist and I don't believe that they are all raving nazis. If it took to jumping solidly behind UKIP to bring change about in this countries political system then I would. This is the closest feeling I've had that things might change since the riots in the eighties. I don't like violence being used to change things but I know that sure as eggs is eggs that voting Labour to get rid of the condemns is about as effectual as pissing up a rope. I would love to here another route to change the political system in this country because other than lobbing Molotov cocktails through windows in London I don't see New Labour/Tory voting as being the answer and take away UKIP and we are back to groundhog day again. We need change things can't go on as they are and one way and another they won't. When was the last time that you saw Camoron being concerned about Europe? Like or not we have Farage to thank for that.

GreenSam wrote:

As such, I think capitalism is the fault of most of society's ills-

Really?

Soviet Russia wasn't very capitalistic.  That was a great little bit of paradise here on earth wasn't it?

I'll take the states over N. Korea any time...

Actually...  Name me a socialist country you would like to live in?

GreenSam wrote:

with their promise of a flat tax and the full privatisation of the NHS.

See what you have done, now the child is here spouting bollox as well.

Neither the flat tax nor privatisation of the NHS are UKIP policies, did you get much else wrong today.

You muppets read and believe all the crap which is fed to you by the meeja then try to pass yourselves off as experts when in the main you don't have a fecking clue.

Of course UKIP isn't the answer to the ills of society, people are voting for them in their millions because they are sick to death with decades of lies they have been fed by the LibLabCon, the meeja and every other facet of the establishment. I have yet to meet anyone beyond the few party zealots who believe Nigey can deliver anything more than a protest, but they and I will be happy if we can give CamClegEddy just a moments pause for thought.

There is much of the Kipper platform with which I don't agree, leaving aside the smears poured upon the party from all outlets, smears having of course to be untrue by definition, I am not happy with the abolition of inheritance tax for one thing, I detest the fact that Neil Hamilton is on the NEC, the guy was too sleazy for the Tories FFS, but for me anything that gets rid of Camoron has to be progress, just a shame that the only alternate is an Ed fest possibly backed by coalition Cleggy.

People may see Nigey as a bit of a clown but he is brighter and has far more experience of the real world than them three plus he is a conviction politician of the old school, he has survived cancer and a plane crash, for those of you with a religious bent that must suggest summat, he likes cricket and a pint so in essence he can Shirley not be all bad?

Like you boys with Brent and City with our pack of Suits it becomes fairly obvious that we proles can do very little to affect our own fates, bummer innit, you just cling to the hope that at some point you may be able to give the feckers that got you here the kick in the nads they so richly deserve.

I am looking forward to tonight's result, not because I am a fire breathing, rabid, racist, anti everything, Nigey loving zealot, I leave that to others, although I did stand for the party in the recent local elections, got my arse handed to me by the incumbent Tory and a hairdresser, massively increased the Kipper vote in the ward mind, that wasn't too hard as they had never stood there before, but simply out of an interest in the process. My new found local election experience has shown me what a fit up it is at even the lowest level, the establishment fixes everything to ensure that they continue to be able to lord it over all of us. I shall have another go next May, not I hasten to add out of delusions of grandeur, but simply to try and win myself the right to stand up in the council chamber and ask the useless wankstains why there are still so many fooking holes in my road.

With that I shall have one last look at the City are going bust thread and then disappear out of your lives again.

Ciao.

Edit to add, I'll let you all come to your own conclusions about why I cheered! Lol.

GreenSam wrote:

Iggy wrote:

"It could always be worse" trademark all the apologists who have landed us with this totally useless form of government. I always had Franny down as a retired teacher I am now convinced he is a retired civil servant or has in some way benefited from the present political system, it's the only thing that makes sense.   

If you knew his politics, you'd know that he's very, very sceptical and angry about the present political system. So am I.

But we can have those feelings without feeling for a second that UKIP are anything even remotely approaching the answer with their promise of a flat tax and the full privatisation of the NHS.  I never thought that on an ATD thread that I'd EVER be defining myself by the same political terminology as Lord Tisdale but I too see myself as an old style socialist (or similar). As such, I think capitalism is the fault of most of society's ills- not immigrants. That's why, as pissed off as I am with the current system, I don't think that a bunch of elitist, racist, homophobic, sexist, uber-Thatcherite, anti-worker, aristocratic toffs would be anything resembling an improvement or anything resembling a kickback against the establishment.

And I don't usually like speaking for people, but I would venture to say that Franny is probably thinking along similar lines.

Sam I voted for UKIP, are you suggesting that I am an elitist, racist, homophobic, sexist, uber-Thatcherite, anti-worker, aristocratic toff?

Rickler wrote:

GreenSam wrote:

As such, I think capitalism is the fault of most of society's ills-

Really?

Soviet Russia wasn't very capitalistic.  That was a great little bit of paradise here on earth wasn't it?

I'll take the states over N. Korea any time...

Actually...  Name me a socialist country you would like to live in?

I think that's a fair point Rickler, I don't think that such a country exist. Capitalism isn't the answer though and maybe, neither is socialism.

What did Sam mean by "anti-worker" ?

Sam seems a very nice lad, but he once claimed that argyle under carl fletcher played like brazil! Is the fellow firing on all cylinders, i ask myself?

What worries me a little is that in many councils, you have a fairly even share of Tory/Labour and some of the UKIP Cllrs will have the deciding votes. Plymouth is looking that way. Worrying because the party whip will rule. If they stand for their constituents, as they've claimed pre-elections, that might not be bad but I have a sinking feeling that this won't end well.

For the record, I'd happily live in Cuba.

What worries me a little is that in many councils, you have Tory & Labour Cllrs...

Never understood why party politics are in play at a local council level, it's just not relevant at a local level.

It's an easy choice, isn't it? Accept two illegal wars and a few more in the pipeline along with a shit load of corruption and incompetence at all levels etc etc etc. Or, a Conservative growing wealth divide, corruption, incompetence etc etc etc. Or, a party with no track record that a few chuck allegations about. It's an easy one really and if it gets the likes of Evans out all the better.

Yours sincerely
A. Toff

I refuse to detail my CV. Quite simply it is none of your feckin business and it in no way is relevant. Assume what you like - quite simply you haven't got a scooby. So feck off.

Not going to sell off the NHS? How else do you interpret this (from UKIP's deputy leader)?

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Also I am not in any way suggesting that any of LibLabCon are any good or that they have my support. What I am saying is that UKIP only seems to have 2 policies:

1. Leave EU
2. Stop immigration

Both of which will be disastrous beyond imagining and both of which are built on lies that are widely accepted as gospel truth by many on here. Quite why otherwise seemingly intelligent people fall for it is beyond me.

However in a nutshell:

Leaving EU will see everything from workers' employment rights, to sea water cleanliness to God knows what else completely go pot - and achieve precisely sod all.

And stopping immigration will see the NHS, amongst other things, collapse which will happen anyway if lunatics like Nuttall get his way..

And Immigration does not cost the economy money it generates money.

And Immigration does not lower wages.

And there is no such thing as "benefit tourism".

And there is no such thing as "NHS tourism".

And nearly as many Brits live overseas as people from overseas live here. (Not as many, admittedly, but the difference in number is small).

And Immigrants do not get priority for housing or anything else simply because they are immigrants.

And UKIP voted in the EU Parliament against legislation to remove poisonous chemicals from babies' dummies, voted against legislation to restrict the vory trade, is pro-fox hunting and anti-badger.

And Farage is not a man of the people. He is an ex-public schoolboy, an avowed Thatcherite to boot, from a privileged background who swanned into a lucrative city job. He is every bit as establishment as anybody else you could name.

And I haven't even mentioned Neil cash for questions Hamilton or their extremely unaudited European expenses.

And 800,000 BNP voters thought UKIP was racist enough to get their vote.

I find it hard to imagine a scenario where I want to see a Tory win a seat in parliament but, by God!, I hope they win tonight.

Which brings me back to the opening post: Farage is chicken. He might have won that seat bit his mate won't.

Not sure what all the fuss is about, there's NO way the establishment will allow a 4th political force.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I refuse to detail my CV. Quite simply it is none of your feckin business and it in no way is relevant. Assume what you like - quite simply you haven't got a scooby. So feck off.

Not going to sell off the NHS? How else do you interpret this (from UKIP's deputy leader)?

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Also I am not in any way suggesting that any of LibLabCon are any good or that they have my support. What I am saying is that UKIP only seems to have 2 policies:

1. Leave EU
2. Stop immigration

Both of which will be disastrous beyond imagining and both of which are built on lies that are widely accepted as gospel truth by many on here. Quite why otherwise seemingly intelligent people fall for it is beyond me.

However in a nutshell:

Leaving EU will see everything from workers' employment rights, to sea water cleanliness to God knows what else completely go pot - and achieve precisely sod all.

And stopping immigration will see the NHS, amongst other things, collapse which will happen anyway if lunatics like Nuttall get his way..

And Immigration does not cost the economy money it generates money.

And Immigration does not lower wages.

And there is no such thing as "benefit tourism".

And there is no such thing as "NHS tourism".

And nearly as many Brits live overseas as people from overseas live here. (Not as many, admittedly, but the difference in number is small).

And Immigrants do not get priority for housing or anything else simply because they are immigrants.

And UKIP voted in the EU Parliament against legislation to remove poisonous chemicals from babies' dummies, voted against legislation to restrict the vory trade, is pro-fox hunting and anti-badger.

And Farage is not a man of the people. He is an ex-public schoolboy, an avowed Thatcherite to boot, from a privileged background who swanned into a lucrative city job. He is every bit as establishment as anybody else you could name.

And I haven't even mentioned Neil cash for questions Hamilton or their extremely unaudited European expenses.

And 800,000 BNP voters thought UKIP was racist enough to get their vote.

I find it hard to imagine a scenario where I want to see a Tory win a seat in parliament but, by God!, I hope they win tonight.

Which brings me back to the opening post: Farage is chicken. He might have won that seat bit his mate won't.

Do you have a link for 99% of that bullshit?  

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I refuse to detail my CV. Quite simply it is none of your feckin business and it in no way is relevant. Assume what you like - quite simply you haven't got a scooby. So feck off.

Of course it's feckin relevant, for the past 5 weeks you've been preaching your left wing liberal bollocks, refusing to enter into a debate & without any knowledge or understanding of individual circumstances or why people choose to vote for x, y or z...
Hypocritical tosser !

Whatever.

Gob, I have given links to much of it all the way through the thread.

To no avail.

It's quite simply impossible to reason with the unreasonable and UKIP has scant allegiance to reason. As said already it seems more like a religion and arguing with religious types is pointless.

In some ways I'd quite like to see an uber-Thatcherite, neo-con, quasi-fascist UKIP form a government so that you illogical zealots get the country you want because I'm pretty sure you'd hate it and it'd serve you damned well right.

But the prospect of that genuinely scares me.

I'm as proud to be English and British as anybody else but the Britain I believe in is a very different one to the one you lot seem to want - and the one you seem to want, quite simply, has never, at any point in history, existed.

And I sincerely hope it never does.

Did you work for the NHS?

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Gob, I have given links to much of it all the way through the thread.

To no avail.

It's quite simply impossible to reason with the unreasonable and UKIP has scant allegiance to reason. As said already it seems more like a religion and arguing with religious types is pointless.

In some ways I'd quite like to see an uber-Thatcherite, neo-con, quasi-fascist UKIP form a government so that you illogical zealots get the country you want because I'm pretty sure you'd hate it and it'd serve you damned well right.

But the prospect of that genuinely scares me.

I'm as proud to be English and British as anybody else but the Britain I believe in is a very different one to the one you lot seem to want - and the one you seem to want, quite simply, has never, at any point in history, existed.

And I sincerely hope it never does.

Serious question SFD, what do you want?

I don't think that UKIP will have all of the answers, but I don't know yet and neither do you. I hope that UKIP's rise up the political ladder will at least create a delay so that others who will shortly be joining UKIP in the 'out of Europe' debate gain a little time.

When it was stated that UKIP were racist, I researched it and I found that UKIP did have members that were in my opinion, racist. So then I checked out Labour and the Conservatives and guess what, I found that both parties also had racist members. - But, there is a huge difference between our two traditional parties and UKIP and that's that UKIP throw out racist and ban them, Labour and the Conservatives prefer to just keep quiet about it and hope that the media don't pick up on it.

Then I read the comments that UKIP would privatise the NHS so again I looked it up, but I didn't find anything anywhere to suggest that UKIP would privatise the NHS apart from the odd comment from the odd UKIP member. So then I done a little work on the views of the NHS from our two traditional parties and we all know what the Conservatives views are when it comes to privatising the NHS, but what's the Labour view, would they reverse any Conservative NHS privatisation? When asked, Labour have responded with silence.

And now you have mentioned employment and workers rights. I simply refer you to the video that I posted in my last post and if you do a little research you will find a rapidly growing union movement wanting our removal from Europe because of the undermining of employee rights.

If you genuinely believe what you have written then I suggest that you carry out a little research, but if it's simply a case of an emotive argument without fact and based upon resentment of those that have received a private education, then you are going to appear a little silly. I may not be a fan of the private education system, but those educated under such a system also have a right to an opinion.

If you want to attempt to convert people with debate and political values then good for you, but slurring is sooooo yesterday.

From what I can tell SFD, you have potential UKIP voter written all over you, for whatever reason you just seem to be in denial.