Nigel Farage

There should be a huge sigh of relief that UKIP exist because if it hadn't, I think there could have been a huge swing to the BNP, such is the dissatisfaction of the traditional parties.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

From the coverage in the media I would have expected UKIP to have polled rather higher and Labour much lower.

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on that basis it seems lib dems are gonna get massacred at the general election it seems.

The Libs jumped into bed with the Tories believing that they could get away with the same stunt by jumping into bed with whoever won the next general election and boy has it bitten them in the arse, big time!

They wanted the power trip and the payment could well turn out to be decades of being a fringe party on par with the Monster Raving Loons. I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to see Clegg suddenly become a Tory MP.

Ukip are not racist,I certainly would not of voted for them if I thought that.

I think they might of picked up some who had voted BNP last time.....why do I think that......I feel some had voted that way last time because they couldn't relate to any of the main parties stance on europe and immigration.....and desperately voted as a protest for BNP.

UKIP are this autumn putting together their manifesto for next years General Election....lets see how that comes together before painting them with every colour brush that we as a nation abhor.

The other main parties have gelled together their beliefs over what 100/250 years....okay I realize that the SDP is more recent,but they have really been swallowed up by the slowly dying Liberal party.

UKIP have only 21yrs of being a political party, of course as they grow at an alarming rate they are bound to pick up some mavericks, but give them credit when exposed they act fast and weed them out, other parties can take forever to sort out their bad eggs and may I say very reluctantly at times.

A prime example at present is the Liberal Lord Rennard...who refused to apoligize for how he treated four women in the party.......yesterday he came out with half an apology....hoping that he will get his feet back under the table.....why did he do it now ?....because the party is in disarray after a heavy European defeat....also because of the Lord Oakeshot revelations and how it drags Cable and Clegg into an awkward relationship. Rennard who is a good organizer thinks it's the right moment to pounce and get back in favour.

I say give UKIP a chance to show us what they believe in with their manifesto......the problem they've got is that a General Elections is first past the post voting,not like in Europe where it is proportional representation... that at times can seem very unfair....it is possible to get many millions voting for you in a General Election and gain no seats at all.

What is the difference between a vote for Labour or a vote for the Conservatives these days, they are the same party are they not?

Now we are being told that the election result is just a protest vote so I suppose it doesn't count and we should all just dismiss it. But then when I think about it, every vote I have ever cast has been a protest vote against the party that has represented my views the least, so every election that has ever been, has only ever been a protest vote.

We have been told that UKIP are a racist party, yet UKIP are the least racist party with rules that are far more anti racist than any of the traditional parties and that makes me ask "why would the traditional parties need to slur a newcomer?" And the only possible answer to that question has to be that the traditional parties only offer more of the same corruption and personal representation rather than respectable public representation.

I have always considered myself a socialist but I am really not sure what a socialist is any more. I see a socialist Labour Party representing right wing conservative principles, I see a Labour Party taking us into two illegal wars with thousands upon thousands killed, illegally. I see corruption at all levels and I see an eagerness to cut ties with the unions. I see a Labour Party that is happy to screw workers rights by flooding the employment market and I see a Labour Party constructing the downfall of the NHS by over demand!

Yesterday I saw a Conservative Government disgustingly fudging to defend an ex Prime Minister and ex Labour Party leader from being scrutinised for his part in promoting and taking us into two illegal wars, WHAT THE feck IS GOING ON HERE!

The only way that Labour will regain my vote again will be if they force Blair to stand up and be counted and taken to the Court for war crimes if necessary. Strengthen ties with the Unions and re-establish the rights of unions and, take a huge step back to the left where they came from!

When you have two mainstream parties that both have policies that are based upon right wing principles, you have a very unhealthy, very unbalanced and a very discontent society!

My Mum voted UKIP but wouldn't dream of voting for them in a general election now that that lovely Mr. Cameron has listened to her protest and put his house in order. Give me strength. Sadly this is why we maintain the status quo of one party right wing politics, I'm all right Jack, it could always be worse....

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Without checking I think Labour gained over 300 seats and UKIP gained less than 200.

How is that "UKIP gaining"?

It looks like falling further behind (Labour) to me.

I guess that's because you are not very bright then.

Labour started with 1800ish seats and gained 300ish an increase of less than 20%, Ukip started with 2 and finished with 163, an increase of 8000%ish, this in a poll skewed by the preponderance of London and Northern metropolitan wards which were up.

Labour is all about the past, UKIP is all about the future.

Fortunately the whole LibLaCon is in denial, I'm betting that after the Newark byelection, where Labour should have mounted the major challenge after a disgraced Tory had to resign, when The Kip has been the only real challenge yet again, the lefties will still be saying "what surge"?

LOL @ LT!

This view, from another forum, is spot on, imo.

'It is you and others that demonise UKIP and Farage based on the hype you read in the press that distorts the UKIP view on immigration? I would suggest that maybe you have very little first hand knowledge of living in a multicultural environment?

I spent 30+ years working and living all over Europe, the Middle East, North Africa and the far East. So I lived and worked every day with foreigners. The best way to explain this to you is a simple story:

I worked in Iran in the early 90’s and myself and the electrical engineer (A Muslim, educated and had worked for many years in Germany although he originated from Bangladesh) had a good relationship with our opposite number on the clients staff, their engineering manager. The Iranian was one of the nicest people you could meet and one day he invited us to his home for a meal. To us this was an honour because it recognised that we were accepted as equals.

We arrived early evening with a huge bunch of gladioli for his wife and chocolate for his three children (2 girls and a younger a boy). He met us at the door with his son, not unusual in itself but his wife did not come to meet us or his daughters, although we could hear them in the kitchen. We were aware that the females in his family would not join us for a meal, as is their custom but to not greet guests was strange for us to understand but we accepted it as his culture.

We had started eating when there was a banging at the door. Our host sent his son to answer it. Ten seconds later two bearded individuals, dressed in green military kit and carrying guns burst into the room. Our host stood and was given a real ear bashing by this couple of thugs and he was obviously both embarrassed and frightened ..... I might add, as we were too! After about 5 minutes of shouting and the thugs waving guns around our host turned to us and said “I must ask you to leave, I am sorry.” As we left we went to shake hands but he ignored the gesture and kept his eyes cast down.

The following day we went to see him and he was ‘not available’, we had seen him on site and knew he was there but he did not want to see us and that continued right up to the day I left, we only met at meetings and his eyes never met mine. These thugs had done the one thing you never do in Iranian society (and many others) and that was to insult, embarrass and belittle a man in his own home, in front of strangers/guests and he could just not cope with that shame.

The last time I saw him was when I left and he came to my office, held out his hand and simply said “Goodbye my friend! May God keep you safe and be your lifelong companion!”

We embraced their culture! There was no ‘them-and-us’ just three people of different backgrounds and cultures getting along together only to have the moment ruined by a bunch of bigoted thugs .... in authority and throwing their weight around.

Multiculturalism has nothing to do with race. As the label says it is to do with differences in culture. For you to say Farage is a hypocrite because he is married to a German but criticises immigration is ill informed opinion. His culture and his wife’s are similar. I am married to a Pole and our cultures are similar so there is no problem that we are from different countries (race) , our ‘culture’ is more or less the same, where it differs we compromise.

It is only when the differences between our cultures have been reduced to a point where what differences there are accepted, and we all see things in the same light (as far as is reasonable) that multiculturalism will work.

I think we are now talking of a Utopian society? Better to keep different cultures apart until they can accept one another and that can only be achieved by controls on immigration and thus gradual integration as you inferred. It will never happen whilst there are bigots, particularly those driven by religion, trying to ensure their culture is predominant by using threats and violence.'

I have always argued that it will be evolution that will create the coffee coloured, non religious, non bigoted human being and not those that demand the immediate merging of cultures.

I love to explore different cultures, it's one of the gifts that we have been given...being different. The day that humanity is content will not be the day that we are all coffee coloured, it will be the day that we can accept each others differences and can learn from and enjoy the differences.

On reflection a sad story.

The three main (at present) Westminister parties....will pick on anything at present that makes UKIP different fom the status quo and magnify it for their own benefit.

The fact is that they are all running scared.....and they can see their cushy little numbers at Westminister being under threat......another reason why they will not want proportional representation in future.....something that the liberals used to complain about once bitterly.

I don't get the whole 'I am bored of x so will vote y' - it's odd. People are forgetting that the ukip campaign was based upon complete xenophobia. I am still waiting for a single policy. Also, Europe is a place and you can't state that France is more European than Bulgaria. UKIP seem to be the cuddly racist party without the dog shit through the letterbox. Most of their elected people seem to shy away from the party. They aren't independants.

I'm glad we got aGreen MEP here.

I think that what you don't get Hairy, is that people do not agree with any of that. People do not agree with you that ukip's campaign was based on xenophobia, people do not agree that that ukip have no policies, people do not agree ukip are a cuddly racist party.

I thought they were predominately anti European union hence their moniker UK INDEPENDANCE party. An independant state is not a racist state is it? It is one that governs itself. Anyway if Merkin has her way with the choice of new euro leader then Camoron is gonna flounce us the fook outta there.

I voted ukip because i dont want to be part of an over regulated form fillers paradise that is the European Union. how does that make me racist? The only ones who want the EU are the army of civil service fat cats with their noses in the trough.

GOB wrote:

I think that what you don't get Hairy, is that people do not agree with any of that. People do not agree with you that ukip's campaign was based on xenophobia, people do not agree that that ukip have no policies, people do not agree ukip are a cuddly racist party.

Erm... there's quite a few people who see UKIP as being xenophobic. Also, can you give me one single policy?

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There's quite a few more that don't see ukip as xenophobic and there's quite a few more that see the two mainstream parties being at least equally xenophobic and if not, worse.

Who did you vote for?

hairy j wrote:

GOB wrote:

I think that what you don't get Hairy, is that people do not agree with any of that. People do not agree with you that ukip's campaign was based on xenophobia, people do not agree that that ukip have no policies, people do not agree ukip are a cuddly racist party.

Erm... there's quite a few people who see UKIP as being xenophobic. Also, can you give me one single policy?

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Erm, independance from the European union?

Iggy wrote:

hairy j wrote:

GOB wrote:

I think that what you don't get Hairy, is that people do not agree with any of that. People do not agree with you that ukip's campaign was based on xenophobia, people do not agree that that ukip have no policies, people do not agree ukip are a cuddly racist party.

Erm... there's quite a few people who see UKIP as being xenophobic. Also, can you give me one single policy?

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Erm, independance from the European union?

To make our own laws without intervention from elsewhere.

To control our own borders without having to consider what others countries expect us to do.

Camoron doesn't want Junkers to be the pres. because he represents the European camp that wants Europe to control all the member states, all decisions first and foremost would be made in Brussels. Does anybody want to be ruled by one super president, fook that, we have too much government in Britain already what with quangos and czars and super mayors of big cities and some people want more. More corruption, more bribes, more policies that don't suit us at all. If that's xenophobia then I am xenophobic.

GOB wrote:

There's quite a few more that don't see ukip as xenophobic and there's quite a few more that see the two mainstream parties being at least equally xenophobic and if not, worse.

Who did you vote for?

I voted Green.

Also, removing the UK from the EU isn't a policy unless there's a method behind it - they've not stated how they'd even do that. All they seem to do is come out with 'we don't like being bossed about so we're out' yet there's no publicised method of just how they'd achieve it.

It's simple Hairy, you make an announcement that on say the 3rd of June next year we are withdrawing from Europe. On that day we stop sending the payments to Europe and send out the message that we are still open for business then we start to repair our broken FOOKIN country from the ground up. All this bollocks about maintaining the status quo is bollocks unless you are mega wealthy or you are one of those horrible social climbing feckers that have trousered a reasonable pension who in a Hyacinth Bucket snobby feckin attitude think that when glam cam says we're all in together mistakenly thinks that he's talking about them as well.
This country of ours is wealthy enough that working, yes that's WORKING FOOKIN PEOPLE should not be living in poverty to make the wealthy even more wealthy. Remember that this government voted against capping farm subsidies AT ALL! Even Europe wanted to cap the subsidies why didn't we I wonder? I mean when we are so skint we have to cut benefits to disabled people and people who are dying of cancer so why do we have to look after the rich. Europe is fooked, we are fooked, we must have change, any change rather than the system that we have, that's why UKIP have done so well.

hairy j wrote:

Erm... there's quite a few people who see UKIP as being xenophobic. Also, can you give me one single policy?

1. An absolute commitment to keeping NHS treatment free at the point of delivery.
2. Taking Britain out of the EUSSR.
3. Adopting a points based immigration system similar to most of the rest of the world.
4. Maintaining Britain's reputation for recognising the need for shelter of genuine asylum seekers.
5. No involvement in overseas wars where there is no direct British interest.
6. Increasing tax allowances to mean people on minimum wage pay no tax.
7. Reducing the top rate of tax to 40%.
8. Do away with inheritance tax.
9. Remove the distinction between tax avoidance and evasion by closing all loopholes.


All of these and more will be in the manifesto which will be released at the same time as the LibLabCon release theirs.

Quite a few people think Nick Clegg has a future as the leader of the LibDims, they are as wrong as all the dim feckers who think UKIP is institutionally xenophobic, of course there are xenophobes and even rabid racists in the party, but there are within the Tory party and Labour, whether there is a higher percentage within the Kip is purely anecdotal, but that would never of course stop Hairy from spouting his usual blocks.

Last night I personally attended a small get together of my local party to celebrate the major strides made in the recent local elections and the magnificent victory in the Euros, not a foaming mouthed, rabid, racist in sight, just a bunch of hard working, very normal people who are sick to death of being fecked over and lied to by the professional politicians.

hairy j wrote:

I'm glad we got aGreen MEP here.

As am I, I don't agree with much of their platform despite being a bit of an old socialist myself, but their boney fides regarding democratic principles are unimpeachable. Unfortunately, as with much of Old Labour, they couldn't organise a punch up in Demport on Devon Derby night as a look at their time in charge of Brighton quite clearly shows.

Ahhh Tis, You're a breath of fresh air, Welcome back you opinionated old tosser