HHP Update / Funding

Person Of Interest wrote:

Beast_Guy wrote:

Person Of Interest wrote:

Beast_Guy wrote:

Its not going up Guys !!  The alternative has already been posted in that existing Grandstand will be spruced up with Seating relaid within the Mayflower Terrace.
Pin the Post because this IS what is happening soonest believe it.

And please Guys no more PM's about Uncle Rastus in the Avatar.

Where has this been posted (provide link please).

Intelligence as always   

Rubbish - if you're going to spout pretty frickin huge allegations like the Mayflower is staying and to be spruced up, then if you're to garner any modicum of integrity, post the proof.

I won't hold my breath.

he got it from the same place as the Moyes story the other day!

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

Person Of Interest wrote:

Beast_Guy wrote:

Person Of Interest wrote:

Beast_Guy wrote:

Its not going up Guys !!  The alternative has already been posted in that existing Grandstand will be spruced up with Seating relaid within the Mayflower Terrace.
Pin the Post because this IS what is happening soonest believe it.

And please Guys no more PM's about Uncle Rastus in the Avatar.

Where has this been posted (provide link please).

Intelligence as always   

Rubbish - if you're going to spout pretty frickin huge allegations like the Mayflower is staying and to be spruced up, then if you're to garner any modicum of integrity, post the proof.

I won't hold my breath.

he got it from the same place as the Moyes story the other day!

As it happens you're unintentionally not far off the mark   

The debate is interesting on pasoti. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

And, I don't think I'm imagining it, there are increasing antis or luke-warmies than there previously were.

One of the points that struck me was the undoubtedly accurate argument that the new stand won't get built unless the rest of the development gets built also. It just returned me to the relatively easy ride the planning application was given. Why, oh why aren't the media onto this!? Even if everything was done above board, as it probably was, surely it should be held up for public examination.

Battle still raging over there but there does seem to be more 50/50 pro vs anti the development now compared to a few months ago where it was more like 70/30 in favour.

Not sure itll make a blind bit of difference though.

Would be interesting to see the reaction if Brent released revised plans for a 3.5k mini-ministand, perhaps that is the only way to stop the very brownest of brown tongues to cease there incessant arse licking. Brents' s too smart to feck it up now though

the place will be cleansed soon and im sure nool will try and get brent to release a carrot that will be seen as "positive" by the sheep but will be meaningless as always but it will win the sheep over and order is restored on there.

I don't think that's true Angry. This is slightly more important than an away kit. I think you massively over-estimate pasoti.

Remind me how many people actually wrote in either in support/against when PCC had this as a planning app? There were hardly any people at all. Barely any one from here could be bothered to put their name at the end of a letter/email.

How many people have actually read that thread?

When the thing starts getting built and takes shape (if it ever gets that far), there will likely be a bit more interest. People don't tend to object or support concepts and that's all this is at the moment. Once it gets started, the forums might get a bit more traffic but it's still a non-issue for the vast majority of resident Plymothians.

hairy j wrote:

I don't think that's true Angry. This is slightly more important than an away kit. I think you massively over-estimate pasoti.

Remind me how many people actually wrote in either in support/against when PCC had this as a planning app? There were hardly any people at all. Barely any one from here could be bothered to put their name at the end of a letter/email.

How many people have actually read that thread?

When the thing starts getting built and takes shape (if it ever gets that far), there will likely be a bit more interest. People don't tend to object or support concepts and that's all this is at the moment. Once it gets started, the forums might get a bit more traffic but it's still a non-issue for the vast majority of resident Plymothians.

They have always been sheep hairy, if enough people call the sky red they will follow suit. Anyone who says its blue gets shouted down and ganged up on and either join the sheep, come here or leave altogether.

sad thing is pasoti was a good forum once but it started to die the day ian who by the way guys was elected into the pasoti mod room by being VOTED for.

Which is ironic if you think about it they never had one again after that

Dimwitted janners, still can't see the reality and blame, well yes you guessed it, 'typical janners'     . Well tried Greenskin.............. for the 100th time at least ffs !

Greenskin wrote:
Andy Holland wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
X Isle wrote:
pedro91 wrote:
Even when Argyle gave away free tickets there wasn't much of a response!!


Plymouth gets what Plymouth deserves.

An oft quoted phrase over the years that used to really get my goat. As the years have progressed however I've grown to understand the truth in it. That creeping realisation has gone hand in hand with the realisation that the metaphoric life raft we cling to, the 'p word', "potential", doesn't actually exist in any meaningful sense.

We have to build for what we have and what we can reasonably achieve. We can't build for imaginary scenarios that history tells us time and time again the population in our region simply will not sustain.

I concur entirely with Ian's boredom with the endless talk about the grandstand. Build it already. People will be uttering the 'p' word forevermore anyway HOWEVER big the ground is......some people still believe in the legend of King Arthur, a carpenters son from Nazareth and fairies down the tin mines, our 'potential' is no more evidentially sound than any of them.



You understand nothing except trite,ill informed and prejudiced soundbites.


For once I actually agree with him.

Plymouth does get what Plymouth deserves - the people of Plymouth clearly didn't really want "their" football team to be successful, as when we had the best team we've ever had they still wouldn't get off their arses to come support us.

Ties in, for me, to a complete lack of local pride - a trait that Plymouthians, lest we forget, like to mock the Cornish for having  

We don't have that "Geordie Nation" or whatever identity - it's like people are embarrassed to be from Plymouth sometimes.



Blimey,how many times does this have to be churned over.It's absurd to compare Argyle/Plymouth with Newcastle,who have enjoyed almost unbroken top flight status and various successes in other ways since their inception into the football league.Same goes for the various teams from Liverpool,Manchester,Birmingham,Sunderland etc.The only realistic comparison is with other provincial clubs with a reasonably similar history such as Reading,Hull,Swansea,Cardiff etc.Honestly,do you really think that all of a sudden the publics in those cities became loyal supporters of their local clubs? Truth is that they only became well supported when they demonstrated that they were seriously intent on reaching the premier league-not getting to the play off spots for two weeks or finishing 10th but actually meaning business and damn well showing it in their results.No lip service,no idle promises,just results.Not true to say that the Holloway team was our best ever either-Argyle have finished in the second tier play off positions quite a few times in their history and i think you'll find that the support was very good,even in comparison to clubs like Norwich and Southampton,whose on the field exploits have since far outstripped Argyle and led to a deserved sense of pride within their cities.Plymouth is due to grow to approximately 300k by the year 2026.Possible scenario-Argyle still haven't reached the premier league by 2030 and gates average about 8000 in the third tier.Do you think that apathy would be caused by some mysterious virus as soon as Lee Mill is passed on the A38 or because,like it ror not,even the influx of 50000 are not especially interested in watching a second/third/fourth rate football club?


Funny, for a mere 'soundbite' it's generated no shortage of words has it :funny:

How's about another fairytale we've been spun in the past, you can dismiss this one as a soundbite too if you like......'pride, passion, belief'.

Like Andy says, with a laconic "meh" and shrug of the shoulders of indifference, almost embarrassment, that comes with yer 'typical Janner attitude' Plymouth actually lacks ALL THREE.

No pride, no passion and no belief. As absent as the mythical potential and THAT's why Plymouth gets what it deserves.

Dismiss it or belittle it all you like, it'll just confirm the level of your denial.

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Angry wrote:

hairy j wrote:

I don't think that's true Angry. This is slightly more important than an away kit. I think you massively over-estimate pasoti.

Remind me how many people actually wrote in either in support/against when PCC had this as a planning app? There were hardly any people at all. Barely any one from here could be bothered to put their name at the end of a letter/email.

How many people have actually read that thread?

When the thing starts getting built and takes shape (if it ever gets that far), there will likely be a bit more interest. People don't tend to object or support concepts and that's all this is at the moment. Once it gets started, the forums might get a bit more traffic but it's still a non-issue for the vast majority of resident Plymothians.

They have always been sheep hairy, if enough people call the sky red they will follow suit. Anyone who says its blue gets shouted down and ganged up on and either join the sheep, come here or leave altogether.

I think you both have valid points.

You will be lucky to find more than 50 people that actually give a tit and most of those are ATD users, nobody really cares all that much and especially those that are left on pasoti. But I don't agree with the theory that Janners have somehow been genetically modified to make them different from others, it's simply a case that nobody gives a stuff about the local football club because the local football club has never really given a stuff about its customers the fans, who also happen to be, in the main, Janners.

You don't get 40,000 dies-hards that would be willing to protest by having a lifetime of failure.

What's the average age of an Argyle fan these days?

Plymouth has an above average sized underclass which keeps on growing........

Does it?

I think that Britain does tbf.

I think you may have a point there Iggy, but for such excuses to be made while ignoring the great many complicated socialistic and financial implications is just silly.

As for Argyle's recent decline down through the leagues and now to be lumbered with a Phase 1 extension posing as a Grandstand, the reasons are quite clear...

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Many a true word though. There are probably quite a few in your age bracket that simply want to see anything built, purely because they'll get a newer seat and posher prawn sarnie - and to hell with how it will cap Argyle's potential for the next generation of Argyle fans.

A very selfish outlook.

As opposed to your 'don't do anything until a rich Sugar Daddy comes along' approach?

I gave up the tooth fairy approach many years ago Oxy.

Before you go down the ageist route, I've done the DE, BPE and Lyndy and now in my autumn years I'm doing the posh side if that's ok with you.

Well, at least we now see the first grain of truth the bloke has spoken for sometime, it's not about what is good for the Club and the fans, it's about what is good for Ian Newell and that's the reason why PAFC has always been a Club that has struggled to achieve anything other than a Devon Bowl final.

Quite, Gob. F*ck you Jack - I'm (going) to be all right. TM Ian Newell. 2014.

Argyle and    had better hope that the suggested 'increasing underclass' is real. None but those Aviva types will be attracted to Gnome Park....................but porkie won't care  

Tringreen wrote:

Argyle and    had better hope that the suggested 'increasing underclass' is real. None but those Aviva types will be attracted to Gnome Park....................but porkie won't care  

When the social climbers are brown nosing the owner in the business lounge they don't wish to be reminded of their past. They are the worst kind of snobs that you could ever wish to meet. What amuses me is that they think the new boss is their friend but I would bet a pound to a pinch of pig shit that Jim has never invited Newell round to his gaff for Quiche.

Person Of Interest wrote:

Quite, Gob. F*ck you Jack - I'm (going) to be all right. TM Ian Newell. 2014.

I'm not voting for you to be a mod again.   

It says it all that the majority of the anticipated weekly 'footfall' for the HHP debacle wont be
anything to do with attending a game of football.

Iggy wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Argyle and    had better hope that the suggested 'increasing underclass' is real. None but those Aviva types will be attracted to Gnome Park....................but porkie won't care  

When the social climbers are brown nosing the owner in the business lounge they don't wish to be reminded of their past. They are the worst kind of snobs that you could ever wish to meet. What amuses me is that they think the new boss is their friend but I would bet a pound to a pinch of pig shit that Jim has never invited Newell round to his gaff for Quiche.

You only have to look at pictures of the directors box...

Several times its been almost empty apart from Brent and Newell. Brent always sits in the front row. Newell at the back.

Real friends sit next to each other.

Rickler wrote:

You only have to look at pictures of the directors box...

Several times its been almost empty apart from Brent and Newell.  Brent always sits in the front row.  Newell at the back.

Real friends sit next to each other.

Do you not think that Porkie is simply showing that he is bright enough to know that Brent would be tarred by association were they to buddy up in public?

Yep, Lord Tis is bang on the money with that observation, my observation is that Brent is VERY astute and uses Porky and Webb as the usefull fools that they are.........

PatDunne wrote:

Yep, Lord Tis is bang on the money with that observation, my observation is that Brent is VERY astute and uses Porky and Webb as the usefull fools that they are.........

I think you're right to an extent. But if Brent has his finger on the pulse then he must be pretty concerned at the lack of support Newell has on his very own Farm website. The only people who back him up are his carefully selected close-support team of Mods and around half a dozen others who would struggle to get into double figures in the brain-cell dept.

After all, Newells usefulness in maintaining the thought control process over the road is pretty much done & dusted now. No surprises if Brent begins to strategically distance himself from the constant bacon aroma.

PatDunne wrote:

Yep, Lord Tis is bang on the money with that observation, my observation is that Brent is VERY astute and uses Porky and Webb as the usefull fools that they are.........

Yeap hence why any revolt over the stadium plans have been nipped in the bud as the owner of the biggest fan forum and president homewrecker sold out and became his lap dog. Its to be admired how quickly he sussed those two out.

Webbs worst thus far? no mention of Brent turning a once publicy owned asset into a £900.000 pension uplift.....