Accelerated staff payments ... possible scandal ?

125+1 wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

You're obviously no accountant 125.
Once the donations go into the club's coffers, there's no way you can prove anything under what has been said ... all you need know the money has gone to the club and it will be dispensing it as it sees fit ... end of.. Just remind yourself of what happened at Cardiff under Ridsdale with the season ticket thing.

If you can't see the problem here, I suggest you carry on digging into your pocket ... you can't say it hasn't been flagged for you.
Sadly, most Argyle fans are blissfully unaware, and it is they that desreve it being flagged. The world is full of money tricks.

I think you may be doing a diservice to the GT, im sure they will know how much and where this money is going, you dont know the ins and outs of the agreement, you are just making accusations. How do you know if or not a seperate account has been allocated for these funds. GT have been raising money for a while and im sure they know where and what the money has been spent on.

Do you actually have any proof that the money will be going in the mix with the rest of PAFC's income?

Do you have any proof that GT have no control or say on how the extra income they generate is spent?

Lets hope then that a suitable donation will be made to the Trust.

Hmmmmm reading this thread has opened my eyes

Think its time for me to leave this site

125+1 wrote:

I think you may be doing a diservice to the GT, im sure they will know how much and where this money is going,

I disagree. How would they know. No owner is going to show a bunch of outsiders a macro view of the club's accounts outside of that published to Companies House... it's not going to happen.

crickeypafc wrote:

Hmmmmm reading this thread has opened my eyes

Think its time for me to leave this site

That's a shame Crikey, I can't see anything on this thread that might cause concern for you, but each to their own... we just offer the chance to air views legally on all things green without moderation. If you decide to delete your account, unlike accross the road, you can delete it here quite easily without any input from us. Good luck.

I fully understand that some will feel intimated.

Good luck Crikey, you will always be welcome back to voice your views in complete freedom and free from intimidation. as far as users of this site are concerned.

Chris Webb wrote:

Bad day for your today rickler.......even you had the sense to not support PPs vile. Its a pity that you haven't got the guts to come out and say he is wrong.

A bad day for me, because Penzance Pirate has come under fire?

Jeez... We're not BFF or anything, and we are not you and Newell, why is it a bad day for me? You really operate on a childish level. You and Newell really are two peas in a pod.

Rickler wrote:

I find it hard to believe that this is going on, but nothing would surprise me these days. However, we should know the answer to this very shortly..

After all... Those who "engage" with Brent seem to be able to get him on the phone at a moments notice when they want to...

I guess, do they want to, is the big question?

A bit like answering if Tony Wrathall went to the game as a guest of the President, for some reason, the President won't answer...

As for “not having the guts to say PenzancePirate is wrong”. Well, I don’t think the club or the GT’s have had the guts yet to fully state that he’s wrong either! We have to wait until Monday for that. I didn’t say he was wrong or right, because I don’t know, yeah, that's right, I said I didn't know! I did say we should find out soon.

Sorry that my belief is too measured and calm for you, and that I wasn’t screaming for the dogs to be unleashed against the GT’s!

Instead, you decided to mangle my statement about you delibrately avoiding questions – who has got an agenda now, Chris?

Personally, I think your behaviour is disgraceful as the ‘President’ of Argyle.
You clearly cannot control your anger and frustration. You might be good at fighting in the trenches, but you are a wretched diplomat.

Where is John Lloyd when you really need him?

Yeeeuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuughhhhhhhhhh (fecking great big yawn!) Morning all.

Morning, and welcome

If the police knew pizza was to be delivered they would be there waiting, of that I am certain.

crickeypafc wrote:

Hmmmmm reading this thread has opened my eyes

Think its time for me to leave this site

Bye

what a mess this club has become! unless a supporters trust actually own the club i am of the belief that fans should not have access to the inner sanctum and hold positions within the club, at this moment in time it feels that the club is being run by chris,ian the gt's and a select few. i almost wish heaney or another bidder had taken the club over because at the moment this new world is the same as the old world just different people playing with the train set.

Sadly, Brent has either been conned into thinking that the likes of Dumb and Dumber,who are the biggest green bleeders, actually understand the club and have some sort of magical power over the fanbase. Or he is merely using them to whip a few hundred Avivas into helping to pay the running costs. Could be both ?
He might well believe that all football fans are thick and it's a case of horses for courses.

Exactly why Brent's Boys are so cross with ATD speaks volumes. They demand respect. They demand compliance. They despise reasoned debate.

It is a case of 'you're either with us or you're against us, in which case you must be silenced'.

It's too Orwellian to be true.......... or is it ?

I’d never even heard of this site until yesterday - let alone visited it – so this is my first post.

I’ve read the comments on this thread with mild interest rather than admiration. Lots of negativity, lots of gratuitous nastiness and personal abuse directed at good people - nothing much to admire at all. Do I recognise this as the Argyle community I belong to? Hardly. More like a website set up for the terminally spiteful by the terminally spiteful (IMO of course). If this is what you’re offering then you can keep it, thanks.

For all its faults, PASOTI is a million miles nearer to the real Argyle community than this site is. So this is my first and only post and definitely my last visit.

Welcome to this growing site Ogwellmike, you may not agree with the views but your comment is respected and will not be edited, deleted or moved and you will not be banned.

ogwellmike wrote:

I’d never even heard of this site until yesterday - let alone visited it – so this is my first post.

I’ve read the comments on this thread with mild interest rather than admiration. Lots of negativity, lots of gratuitous nastiness and personal abuse directed at good people - nothing much to admire at all. Do I recognise this as the Argyle community I belong to? Hardly. More like a website set up for the terminally spiteful by the terminally spiteful (IMO of course). If this is what you’re offering then you can keep it, thanks.

For all its faults, PASOTI is a million miles nearer to the real Argyle community than this site is. So this is my first and only post and definitely my last visit.

i really should not of bothered quoting or replying to you as you are not coming back, but if you do could you just answer one rather simple question how does refering to people as scum sit with you? maybe you need to take a more balanced view or are you just cannon fodder for the generals

So the goal posts are changing regarding the monies raised for the staff? I dont subscribe to the theory that giving the money to the club will help with "Community Projects" At the moment the way the club is, This money will just go into a "Blackhole" and not really what people who are donating for. Accelerated payments for the staff is a wonderful idea in principle but it means in real terms the club and owners MUST repay what is raised because it is THEIR debt, Agreed when the club was taken over. You let the club off this debt and it will only be the start of things, Especially with that leech Ridsdale anywhere near it.

What needs to be done is any money raised, Yes continue to help the staff but say to the club you expect that money back, Even on the same 5 year agreement that the staff are on, So if the staff are fully paid in say 2-3 years then the club donate any money matched to a seperate account run by the GT, Pasoti or whoever for up to a 5 year term. With that money in a seperate account, Under the control of a commitee then if the club come and say they need new equipment for the training ground, Youth team or what ever, The money would be under their control and not give the club a blank cheque to do whatever. You could have signs around saying "Donated by the fans" have pictures in the programmes, Handing over cheques. This in my opinion would show that the fans are helping the club and that the club appreciate the fans efforts.

But at the moment this accelrated payments as it is could be a really devisive measure to divide the fans and will help no one in the end

Chris Webb wrote:

GOB wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

As an observer, it would appear to me that certain people, who have been awarded various badges of distinction by the much revered 'James Brent', for services rendered [past, present and future], understand fully what their roles are.

Trouble is, not all Argyle fans are as thick as Brent clearly believes them to be.

His supposed 'influential ones', will and are being found out.

Haha, read the threads Tringy. Take out the usual ATD suspects and people have seen straight through the nasty nature of Penzance Pirate, Rickler, Gob and co.

The very site set up to offer an alternative voice is on the brink of killing itself....

Jesus Chris, read back the comments you have written on here then tells us you're a worthy President. Grow up for Christ sake.

Others judge me not myself GOB.

I do what I think is right by the standards and beliefs I hold myself.

You may want to heed your own advice.

Off to watch a movie.

Hopefully tomorrow everyone will start to realise that reasoned debate will see us all working together for the right result - Argyle.

Today has exposed the methods of a few posters on this site (you included) and the majority of Argyle supporters want nothing to do with it.

Those last two sentences speak volumes. A futile attempt at suggesting ATD is not the home of reasoned [and free] debate and as for 'the methods' of a few posters on here ???????????????????????????
The farm controller has applied any and every method to silence this forum. More and more people on Pasoti are now seeing him for what he really is, a control freak who stifles free and open debate.
The couple of guys who have publicly pulled themselves out of here to back up the hypocritical attempted muck spreading by Webby are quite likely to be all part of the cunning plan to discredit this forum.
I challenge anyone to show that this is not a two way street. No posts get edited or deleted. They are there for all to see. Not the same standards on Pasoti I believe ?

That's a very good post Southborne and probably close to where I sit in all of this. And a good reasoned answer to how donations could continue without controversy.

We all want fans to donate what they want to the club, that has never been the concern, give Ridsdale a gold toilet seat if he wants one and people think he deserves one, but the fans must know exactly what 'donations' are going to ... they are not the same as gate receipts .. they are obtained under a totally different set of circumstances.

penzancepirate wrote:

125+1 wrote:

I think you may be doing a diservice to the GT, im sure they will know how much and where this money is going,

I disagree. How would they know. No owner is going to show a bunch of outsiders a macro view of the club's accounts outside of that published to Companies House... it's not going to happen.

I disagree, If they had any nonce about them they will insist on a seperate account for these funds, and how they are allocated. And as for the GT being outsiders, they are helping the club, so im sure the would have negotiated with the club and how the mony is distrubuted.

Answer the 2 questions PP on the post rather than one line.

If you have facts then share them, but this is looking more and more like an attack on Pasoti mods and chris webb more than anything else.

Tringreen wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

GOB wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

As an observer, it would appear to me that certain people, who have been awarded various badges of distinction by the much revered 'James Brent', for services rendered [past, present and future], understand fully what their roles are.

Trouble is, not all Argyle fans are as thick as Brent clearly believes them to be.

His supposed 'influential ones', will and are being found out.

Haha, read the threads Tringy. Take out the usual ATD suspects and people have seen straight through the nasty nature of Penzance Pirate, Rickler, Gob and co.

The very site set up to offer an alternative voice is on the brink of killing itself....

Jesus Chris, read back the comments you have written on here then tells us you're a worthy President. Grow up for Christ sake.

Others judge me not myself GOB.

I do what I think is right by the standards and beliefs I hold myself.

You may want to heed your own advice.

Off to watch a movie.

Hopefully tomorrow everyone will start to realise that reasoned debate will see us all working together for the right result - Argyle.

Today has exposed the methods of a few posters on this site (you included) and the majority of Argyle supporters want nothing to do with it.

Those last two sentences speak volumes. A futile attempt at suggesting ATD is not the home of reasoned [and free] debate and as for 'the methods' of a few posters on here ???????????????????????????
The farm controller has applied any and every method to silence this forum. More and more people on Pasoti are now seeing him for what he really is, a control freak who stifles free and open debate.
The couple of guys who have publicly pulled themselves out of here to back up the hypocritical attempted muck spreading by Webby are quite likely to be all part of the cunning plan to discredit this forum.
I challenge anyone to show that this is not a two way street. No posts get edited or deleted. They are there for all to see. Not the same standards on Pasoti I believe ?

Tring i try not to take sides, im not really into all this ATD vs Pasoti crap, but your little replies to Webb are looking more and more childish.

ogwellmike wrote:

I’d never even heard of this site until yesterday - let alone visited it – so this is my first post.

I’ve read the comments on this thread with mild interest rather than admiration. Lots of negativity, lots of gratuitous nastiness and personal abuse directed at good people - nothing much to admire at all. Do I recognise this as the Argyle community I belong to? Hardly. More like a website set up for the terminally spiteful by the terminally spiteful (IMO of course). If this is what you’re offering then you can keep it, thanks.

For all its faults, PASOTI is a million miles nearer to the real Argyle community than this site is. So this is my first and only post and definitely my last visit.

I agree with that, but the problem with pasoti is the mods, say something they dont like and they throw "oh this is removed as it could be libalous" crap at it all the time.

But when one of their own start a thread commenting on certain things, that are vicious,threatening and most definately an attack on someone's character, thats absolutely fine.

So have I got this right?

Basically, the G&T's are picking up the staff wage bill?

Does Ridsdale come under the same bracket as the staff when it comes to wages?

Is Brent paying any of the staff wages?

125+1 wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

GOB wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

As an observer, it would appear to me that certain people, who have been awarded various badges of distinction by the much revered 'James Brent', for services rendered [past, present and future], understand fully what their roles are.

Trouble is, not all Argyle fans are as thick as Brent clearly believes them to be.

His supposed 'influential ones', will and are being found out.

Haha, read the threads Tringy. Take out the usual ATD suspects and people have seen straight through the nasty nature of Penzance Pirate, Rickler, Gob and co.

The very site set up to offer an alternative voice is on the brink of killing itself....

Jesus Chris, read back the comments you have written on here then tells us you're a worthy President. Grow up for Christ sake.

Others judge me not myself GOB.

I do what I think is right by the standards and beliefs I hold myself.

You may want to heed your own advice.

Off to watch a movie.

Hopefully tomorrow everyone will start to realise that reasoned debate will see us all working together for the right result - Argyle.

Today has exposed the methods of a few posters on this site (you included) and the majority of Argyle supporters want nothing to do with it.

Those last two sentences speak volumes. A futile attempt at suggesting ATD is not the home of reasoned [and free] debate and as for 'the methods' of a few posters on here ???????????????????????????
The farm controller has applied any and every method to silence this forum. More and more people on Pasoti are now seeing him for what he really is, a control freak who stifles free and open debate.
The couple of guys who have publicly pulled themselves out of here to back up the hypocritical attempted muck spreading by Webby are quite likely to be all part of the cunning plan to discredit this forum.
I challenge anyone to show that this is not a two way street. No posts get edited or deleted. They are there for all to see. Not the same standards on Pasoti I believe ?

Tring i try not to take sides, im not really into all this ATD vs Pasoti crap, but your little replies to Webb are looking more and more childish.

And you are entitled to your view and free to voice it on here dear boy. I thought I had his method sussed. Do you believe that 'reasoned debate' is likely............ if we don't agree with him ?

And do you understand what 'methods' he is referring to ? I don't.

Maybe he'd prefer that we started editing and deleting posts we don't agree with...........Pasoti Style ! He might have something to moan about then. The boot being on the other foot .

The most worrying trend on this subject is that Chris Webb has been saying, rightly or wrongly that this site is mostly full of people who have not engaged with the rest of the fan base in supporting JB and all the other things going on and full of people with agenda's and personal vendetta's but IMHO this site is doing exactly that, You have to have a OPEN and HONEST INDEPENDENT Forum, Someone has to have the right to say if they think there is, In their opinion something that is wrong and needs to be in the public domain. Pasoti is the biggest fans site for PAFC's fans but i see any post that does not toe the party line is firstly abused, critizised for not being what certain people think, accused of not helping when others CHOSE to put their heads ubove the parapit, If they wanted to do that then thats fine but others might not be so comfortable with public speaking and go about supporting the club in different ways like buying, donating etc. and finally is deleted out of exsistance.

Cerbra's post was a valid question but was almost instantly edited so it didn't make any sense and then just plainly builled by those chosen few and so called "Better fans than you" Calling people scum or trolls is so petty and helps no one, The original question might have been seen as some as inflammatary but it had to be asked because good people were parting with hard earned money which in these times is really at a premium, Hopefully on Monday a sensible open answer will come form the GT's but my only thinking on this is that some maybe having a word to others who have a interest in the money how to "Sell" it to the fan base or i might just be reading too much into it

125+1 wrote:

If you have facts then share them, but this is looking more and more like an attack on Pasoti mods and chris webb more than anything else.

Hopefully 125, we will all have the facts when the club and GTs give their statement on Monday. Maybe this unfortunate spat might have an effect on future policy surrounding the very welcome continuing donations.
Nothing is meant as a personal attack from my perspective, far from it, but things need to be clarified. I certainly wouldn't dream of calling anyone scum for just holding a viewpoint and asking questions. And I certainly wouldn't accuse anyone of cowardice for using a pseudonym to post on the internet ... that's how the whole planet uses the internet.