Drip....Drip....Drip...

Stand by for the lip quivering propaganda machine to kick in.

i reckons a mountain of popcorn and cider maybe needed for a few days...   

the President is helping at the club 1000 hours/week unpaid already give him a chance

and he's got his post round to do in the morning

Newell has eaten Webb foreshore. Either that or the dim monobrowed greenman/deepthroat sellout has had an epiphany and has realised that he and Argyle have been utterly had by the man he supported more than the Football Club. It is weird that he has been so shtum recently. Nice, but weird. A tub thumping 'Churchillian' (pmsl) speech is raind the corner. Be prepared to be motivated, we will incite them on the beaches, etc... RELEASE THE DOGS OF ROAR!

Webby will be wheeled out soon and it's a near on certainty he will utter the following line, or words very similar:

I've taken time out of my self imposed internet exile

We need to unite so that Ian can take pictures of a new bar in the grandstand and put them on Twitter so I can comment on them...zzzzzzzz

I'd love it if Webby went mental and smashed up that Tom Daley post box.

maybe he will do something dramatic and grow another beard.

Is it too early for us to say I told you so?

The thing that will really wind Newell up is once again Tring the "one trick pony" was right AGAIN!  

Yea Man wrote:

Is it too early for us to say I told you so?

The thing that will really wind Newell up is once again Tring the "one trick pony" was right AGAIN!  

Ban him! Ban him! We can't have someone like him on here!

He's always right! It doesn't do ATD's street cred any good at all!   

If the building goes ahead the only option available to Argyle which allows it as a football club to progress will be relocation away from Home Park to pastures new.

That in turn will leave an unwanted, empty football stadium in the heart of Central Park that will be good only for demolition.

That will then leave a brownfield site that will be ripe for further development.

Which is exactly why the HHP plans are and have been since the very outset:

1. Bad for Argyle;
2. Bad for Central Park;
3. Bad for the city.

Which is exactly what some of us have been saying since the moment the plans were first announced.

Incredible. Shocking. Sad.

Spot on Sir Franny and the hilarious thing is Brent will pocket another huge wedge when it happens and Nooligan and Webb will be telling everyone how brilliant it will be having an out of town stadium. How it will have FES sponsored free buses from town and how its better for traffic, after all the traffic problem on Outland Rd is horrendous now.

Yep sort of coincided with the HHP planning permission being granted.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

If the building goes ahead the only option available to Argyle which allows it as a football club to progress will be relocation away from Home Park to pastures new.

That in turn will leave an unwanted, empty football stadium in the heart of Central Park that will be good only for demolition.

That will then leave a brownfield site that will be ripe for further development.

Which is exactly why the HHP plans are and have been since the very outset:

1. Bad for Argyle;
2. Bad for Central Park;
3. Bad for the city.

Which is exactly what some of us have been saying since the moment the plans were first announced.

Incredible. Shocking. Sad.

Very well put and I agree.


The saddest thing about this latest plot twist is that no-one is in the least surprised.

the pennies dropping for you now sammy boy !

Ha, with what's been shoehorned onto the HHP plot + a little bit of park + a bigger bit of the football clubs land, the mind boggles as to what could be fitted onto the actual HP (reduced) footprint. Any suggestions for the owner?

hairy j wrote:

The argument will be that at just £30k a year, it's great value! Most of it won't be read by Argyle fans as it's buried in a sub-forum. It's just sad and predictable. Again, I have nothing against Brent being opportunistic - it's why he is in business - I object to being told to be grateful though as I'm not stupid and being told he actually cares about Plymouth Argyle when he doesn't.

This is essentially an interest free loan for a stand isn't it?

This is just the sort of information the Trust should be picking up on and handing out leaflets outside the ground on matchdays [because they'll be banned from the inside] . They should have done the same with their WG plans for the development. OK it will draw up battle lines but at present they're only good for irrelevant nonsense and the reluctant bidder pays them only scant attention.

It's about time this rape of our club was fully exposed. All fans kept informed and allow them to decide where their loyalties lie.

If the majority plump for quiet submission, so be it. The rest of us can find something less frustrating to be concerned about.

ps In 2006/7 I was told by the burgeoning Pasoti Politburo, to stop upsetting others with my predictions of doom or they'd ban me.

'Enjoy the ride' they commanded. I likened 'the ride' to being stuck on the M25, with all the exits closed.
Incredibly, they are still at it. Selling their souls for position, influence and control.

The Road to Hell is not about the M25, it's basically a song telling you that the life you're trapped in is the road to hell and you can't get out, ie marriage, mortgage, commitment and how you will never be able to be free once you commit to these things that society tells you as a teen, that this is how you should live your life. Only the wise don't fall into this.......

Trust in Stapes..........Trust in Brent............ Trust in the farm and comrade Napoleon  

pps Having read that , I haven't got a clue what I'm trying to say   

Let's have a tune....... 
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

The issue here is not the £30,000. The defence for that will be "we get a £10m grandstand for only £30,000 per year". And they'll be right. Even to a club like Argyle £30,000 a year is a negligible cost.

The bigger picture is what matters and the development in its entirety will permanently siphon potential income away from the club and leave Argyle/Home Park stripped bare.

Our oft proclaimed "potential" will be no gone never to return.

How horribly hollow the indignant cries of "he only wants to build a cinema in Central Park" now sound.

If Argyle had retained the 4 units not only would they have had £1.2m (£300k x4) extra revenue per annum, they would also have had an influence over the rest of the HHP development. At the moment we are assuming that the owners of PAFC and HHP are benign, but it would not surprise me in the slightest if HHP is sold (either before or after development). If HHP is run by a different entity then there is the possibility of conflict in the future. For example, would the new owners of HHP oppose any increase in capacity if they thought it might damage their business at HHP?

And if Brent is as philanthropic as some claim, why didn't he make PAFC pay for the £10m mini stand through the £1.2m annual rent? At least then in 10 years time the club could be making profit from the land they leased from the council and still retain the option of buying the ground back.

The bigger picture has of course, been there all along. Some don't want to believe it and give the benefit of doubt for too long. Others, the dimwitted Avivas, can't see it at all.
Some, particularly those so called fans who rattle buckets and give to charity with great gusto and personal drum banging, know what is going on but the lure of position and deemed fame clouds their judgement completely.
Even they must now be shifting uncomfortably but the dye is cast. The keys to the sweet shop have been dangled before their eyes and they have become complicit to the devious plans. There is no turning back for them but history will condemn their actions.

Tim Chown on Pasoti wrote:

This obviously needs to be clarified.

One reading of the information is that the development funder receives £300k pa of which £30k pa goes to the Council, the Council thus increasing their rental income for HP from £135k pa (from Argyle) to £165k total. In which case PAFC pays no more than it does now.

The other reading, from what was quoted in the Herald article, is that it *is* PAFC who pay £30k pa more. Which would certainly put a hole in the "at no cost to the club" claim.

The other point is that if the club does take up the option to buy HP from the Council, would that purchase include the retail units, assuming these are on a long-term (125 year?) lease from the Council to the development funder.
I
On a related note, the Trust is exploring the proposal from Supporters Direct for trusts to consider the listing their club stadia as Assets of Community Value, see here, to help protect its future. There is a very valid question though as to just how big HP can be made in its current location once the HHP development is completed. How far over 20,000 could it go, if required?

To which a village idiot replied:

dunlop on Pasoti wrote:

True to form, as soon as there is some possible negativity about the new stand the Trust are in like Vipers.

So has dunlop received a warning from the Pasoti mods for being a one trick pony? Are his attacks on the Trust his own work or does someone have their hand up his backside and is controlling him like a puppet?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Ginsters are rumoured to be lined up as getting the naming rights or being named sponsors of the stadium if the grapevine is anything to go by.

The money they pay may offset the additional rental cost we'll be paying but the fact remains the goalposts keep being continually moved.

Will Brent be ringing me up now after naming Ginsters? He does like his confidentiality clauses doesn't he but here's a tip, maybe next time you plan on moving the council staff to Derry's you tell them first  

Tringreen wrote:

hairy j wrote:

The argument will be that at just £30k a year, it's great value! Most of it won't be read by Argyle fans as it's buried in a sub-forum. It's just sad and predictable. Again, I have nothing against Brent being opportunistic - it's why he is in business - I object to being told to be grateful though as I'm not stupid and being told he actually cares about Plymouth Argyle when he doesn't.

This is essentially an interest free loan for a stand isn't it?

This is just the sort of information the Trust should be picking up on and handing out leaflets outside the ground on matchdays [because they'll be banned from the inside] . They should have done the same with their WG plans for the development. OK it will draw up battle lines but at present they're only good for irrelevant nonsense and the reluctant bidder pays them only scant attention.

It's about time this rape of our club was fully exposed. All fans kept informed and allow them to decide where their loyalties lie.

If the majority plump for quiet submission, so be it. The rest of us can find something less frustrating to be concerned about.

ps In 2006/7 I was told by the burgeoning Pasoti Politburo, to stop upsetting others with my predictions of doom or they'd ban me.

'Enjoy the ride' they commanded. I likened 'the ride' to being stuck on the M25, with all the exits closed.
Incredibly, they are still at it. Selling their souls for position, influence and control.

The Road to Hell is not about the M25, it's basically a song telling you that the life you're trapped in is the road to hell and you can't get out, ie marriage, mortgage, commitment and how you will never be able to be free once you commit to these things that society tells you as a teen, that this is how you should live your life. Only the wise don't fall into this.......

Trust in Stapes..........Trust in Brent............ Trust in the farm and comrade Napoleon  

pps Having read that , I haven't got a clue what I'm trying to say   

Let's have a tune....... 
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

So we become a world of hermits or Monks/nuns ?.....life is what you make of it.......it doesn't have to be the road to hell.

Mine isn't  

Interesting find on google search to question X_Isle's claim that we should trust Akkeron's experience in delivering the scheme



Can you provide a link to any other major construction schemes that Akkeron have undetaken?

Akkeron Regeneration's portfolio for Torbay Council in October 2012 when they took on the Oldway mansion redevelopment (~£13M) consisted of that plus the Civic Centre, HHP and Millbay, which haven't been delivered. (Why were they including the Civic Centre when they hadn't even won preferred bidder status?)

Link is powerpoint presentation download.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Interesting that document lists HHP GDV at £43M. Would make more sense than oft quoted £50M given value of Kier's order and "professional" fees.