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This is rather OTT against Chris.

I thought ATD was better than this!

GOB wrote:

Chris, grow some balls man FFS, you want it told as it is and then whinge when you get it. I've read virtually every post that these guys have made and not a single one of them could be deemed as over the top abuse.

I think abuse is the wrong word.

Sometimes some of the stick he gets is on the pointless side of worthwhile (who cares if he swears at matches, etc), but at the end of the day it is criticism rather than abuse.

John_Vaughan wrote:

This is rather OTT against Chris.

I thought ATD was better than this!

John ... Peggy brought up a very valid point regarding OUTING people's private details against their wishes .... we are debating that. I see that as a good thing... a debate that should be held on Pasoti, but there isn't a cat's chance in hell of that.

This is a free website where this can be discussed.

I couldn't agree more Mock but it's not me that is accusing anyone, it's Chris that is accusing others.

I stand by my words, where has there ever been any abuse on this site that would be any worse then you could find on Pasoti? Yet I have yet to read about the President condemning anything on Pasoti, I can't think why!


John, ATD is a forum and the views you read have nothing to do with a forum, they are people's own personal view. You may not like it but at least you have the freedom to express your dislike.

John_Vaughan wrote:

This is rather OTT against Chris.

I thought ATD was better than this!

John.............I think he's on a bit of a mission. We all know how close he is to the farm controller. He comes on here claiming we attack other posters and are too negative about the club etc. On Pasoti, he and his control group do exactly the same in reverse . They are full of unfounded optimism and round upon those who dare to question the party line.

A few of us have issues with Newell but it is clear that there will never be a resolution.

I don't know why Chris bothers, we'll never agree or even agree to differ. He and his chums require compliance and followers. They simply can't cope with those who won't bow down.


Best stay in the fiefdom Chris. This is a waste of your very important time.

Tringreen wrote:

[John.............I think he's on a bit of a mission. We all know how close he is to the farm controller.

I'm certain that's what is going on.

penzancepirate wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

[John.............I think he's on a bit of a mission. We all know how close he is to the farm controller.

I'm certain that's what is going on.

At least he's taken my advice and brought his crusade onto an Argyle forum and not an Exeter one.

I was being serious. It is a total waste of his time to engage with the majority of us. We are miles apart. A different breed.
He is not so full of his own perceived importance that he doesn't realise that ?

It is more likely to be part of some typically low, cunning plan hatched by Tony Maffioso.
Give it up. Let's not play silly games ffs .

Chris, have a good trip. Here's something to read...

As for your day job being brought into things... You bring it into the discussion whenever it suits you. I am not sure of the exact wording, but countless times I have read how your Union position has enabled you to “thrive” in areas of confrontation and negotiation etc...

As for JV’s comments that it is all a bit OTT against Chris? I do not agree. I think most of the comments are in response to his claims.

I agree with Mock.. Who really does care if someone swears at matches – but if that same someone complains that someone else is doing it, it’s more than a little hypocritical, especially if the claim is untrue.

As for Chris calling me “Nigel”. I give him the benefit of the doubt that it was well meaning.

However... When Newell does it – and started doing it – it was done with the plain intent of making everyone aware of the fact that he ‘knew’ who I was! The fact that half the time he is wrong when outing people, examples being that ‘Tringreen’ was McLondonG and also the rat known as Esmer who was meant to be somebody or others brother and who was on the ‘unleash the dogs’ list, but became Newell’s second best new mate after Esmer betrayed my ‘in confidence’ Pm to him !

Anyway.... To continue what I am sure will be considered bullying.

Chris Webb wrote:

Rickler wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

Rickler wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

No Nigel you said that I am building a reputation for using foul language.

Indeed I did.

There have been several comments on Pasoti ribbing you about 'swearing' during games. If you haven't seen them, you must be blind. Do you deny that such comments have been made. I must admit... I think you even replied to one of them. However.. Due to the bulllying nature of your new 'best mate', my 'search' facilites on the farm that would enable me to prove this to you, are currently not available to me.

But let's cut to the chase... Do you swear publicaly at matches or not?

Nigel

It's called banter between friends. You know real life ones.

Have I ever in my life swore at a football match? Yes - lock me up.

Do I swear publicaly now? No - No apology needed.

So you admit these comments were made - it's just that they are 'banter'? No its banter that they were made - they were not. Clear? Perfectly. Your friends tease you about stuff you have never done. I get it now. Odd, but each to their own...

but banter that is based on nothing factual at all? Or something in the past? Is it that you used to swear at matches, but now that you don't, the silence is deafening ..? The silence is deafening? Do you expect me to reply to your posts as you are writing them? Slight whoosh by you there, Chris..
The 'silence' comment is with regard to the premise, that you used to swear, but now don't. Not that you didn't answer in less than three minutes. After all, I do know better, there are some questions asked several times, that are never answered - why was the trust loan forgiven, for instance. Obsessive, I know..
Is that it? Is that why the banter is so funny from your 'real life' friends?

If you want at apology.. I suggest you get one from the 'internet' version of your real life friends who are leaving a false impression of you!

And to be honest... If you are only back to pass on tidbits from 'James' you needn't bother. I am sure our fine mods can cut and paste your blog from Pasoti for the few who won't read it there. I have made it clear why I have re-registered. Not everyone has to have an agenda Nigel. You often accuse me of having an agenda! Once again, what is it?

I will be honest. I think the Riddler and Brent are using you big time. I do not blame you for falling for it. There are very few people who would have turned the opportunity down. Thanks for your comments. I can assure you that I have never been used in my life and nor will I ever be. If I agree with something it will have my support if I don't then it won't. I made this clear to James Brent as soon as he asked me to be President and he is perfectly comfortable with this. But of course your view from thousands of miles away means more than the mine living the situation doesn't it. Well duh, someone being used, most of the time doesn't know they are being used. No wonder you don't think you are - that is the whole point! The fact that you support your own appointment in this regard is neither here or there

I think you should have been marched into the center of Home Park. Brent shoud have introduced you to the crowd, said his piece, made you the honoury president until the new chair of the trust could assume the position on behalf of the fans, and asked that anyone who ever met you, buy you a beer in thanks.
Everyone would have been happy. I wouldn't have been happy. Don't really like beer - not really sure any position should be handed to the any organisation by default either. Paul Stapleton could be the Trust Chair one day?! Also in your usual style it is funny how you see the role of president as too close to James Brent yet you want an independent Fans' Trust to hold the role. Can't work that mindset out. Are you serious replying you don't really like beer? Well champagne, cigars, flowers, donations to charity in your name, surely you get the point I was making? I am beginning to doubt that you do sometimes... As for Stapleton being the Trust chair one day and getting the Trust title by default? Well, at least he would have been elected by the trust members (unlike your good self) and appointed by the society board. So hardly by default!!

As it is now.. How is it going to end up? A supporters meeting is being arranged by James Brent (Date to be confirmed this week). This will be to present his proposals on supporters engagement to the fans at an open meeting. Representatives of the Trust have been involved with this. Thanks for the info, but I was talking about when you have had enough – no doubt your new best mate will be in line for the job – your opinion will surely be asked? Who would you recommend? I mean, if anything awful happened to you (God forbid), who would stand in?

If Brent is serious about engaging the fans, he has to do it - not you do it for him! See above See below

Why hasn't Brent signed up to Pasoti (and this site)? He needen't enter the 'debate', but he could give his thoughts, ideas, and plans directly. I'm Chris Webb not James Brent. Just as I tell Tring when he talks through me to Ian Newell - Sometimes I don't know he answer.
It’s something you might have suggested though. Why haven’t you? Surely you want him interacting with the fans and discussing their opinions directly with them. It’s obviously one of the best links to the fans he could possibly have. As you are the fans President, and head of the supporters meeting group, I request that you ask him to join both sites.

Serious Question: Is Brent even aware of ATD? Are you aware of any discussion regarding this site? Yes he is aware of the site. I can't recall any comment pro/anti just a passing remark about another forum. Another forum? Could have been one of several, could you specifically ask him please?

If he truly wants to engage the fans... Then hold 'town hall meetings' once a month where he meets fans one on one, and host Argyle world specials on the internet for exiles like me, where we can text, email, phone etc - surely we could get that one together? See comments on meeting that is being planned I’d rather know if any of these suggestions were raised by others to him, if you don’t mind

Since I am giving suggestions... Brent owes you and the fans a favour, right? Ask him to use the Argyle mailing and email lists to send out his personal wish that all fans join the trust and take part in the discussion on the Trusts own FORUM! (which you need to set up) Why do I need to set up a Trust forum Nigel? Because now you have more time and you feel guilty not doing it under your leadership when you should have done?

Oh really Chris, Talk about missing the ‘elephant’ in this paragraph!! What about using Brent’s mailing lists? Getting his endorsement!

Getting 1800 new members on a forum (that for the most part are adverse to Pasoti for whatever reason) talking about the trust etc



Look what happened the last time the club did that:

1855 members!

Most of those joined in the first few weeks. ...and more importantly... There are hundreds and hundreds of names that you never ever saw on Pasoti - I don't believe Pasoti's finest all suddenly came out from behind thier monikers. thoughts...?

It failed because of the crappy format that allowed people to blog as well as post.

And finally...

Chris Webb wrote:

It isn't this site or pasoti where the issue is.

It is a handful of posters.

125+1 wrote:

There are far to many on here that wanted the club to fold, hence why they now slate brent. Chris, some people are just moaners, as many on here are. Good luck anyway.

Just who are you tarring?

Names! To be honest as you have wished its mainly you Nigel and Penzance Pirate from my own personal viewpoint. You are obsessive, abusive and basically unload a barrage of bile at anyone who disgrees with you. Tring is a bit of a character but has a sense of humour, GOB likes to unload every now and again, Cerbera supports Argyle and Exeter (enough said) and everyone else is fine.

You asked for honesty.

Name these People!


Respectfully,

"Nigel"

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There you go Nigel.

You are obsessive, abusive and basically unload a barrage of bile at anyone who disgrees with you.

Oh really... You are hallucinating! If I said Newell’s tactics are rubbing off on you, you would only say I was obsessive!

Where is all this abuse? Where is the barrage of bile?

penzancepirate wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

[John.............I think he's on a bit of a mission. We all know how close he is to the farm controller.

I'm certain that's what is going on.

So am I!

Tringreen wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

[John.............I think he's on a bit of a mission. We all know how close he is to the farm controller.

I'm certain that's what is going on.

At least he's taken my advice and brought his crusade onto an Argyle forum and not an Exeter one.

I was being serious. It is a total waste of his time to engage with the majority of us. We are miles apart. A different breed.
He is not so full of his own perceived importance that he doesn't realise that ?

It is more likely to be part of some typically low, cunning plan hatched by Tony Maffioso.
Give it up. Let's not play silly games ffs .

You make me laugh Tring, you take your crusades onto Exweb!

I joined ATD to have debate but you go and slag me off on Exweb!

Lee Jameson wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

[John.............I think he's on a bit of a mission. We all know how close he is to the farm controller.

I'm certain that's what is going on.

At least he's taken my advice and brought his crusade onto an Argyle forum and not an Exeter one.

I was being serious. It is a total waste of his time to engage with the majority of us. We are miles apart. A different breed.
He is not so full of his own perceived importance that he doesn't realise that ?

It is more likely to be part of some typically low, cunning plan hatched by Tony Maffioso.
Give it up. Let's not play silly games ffs .

You make me laugh Tring, you take your crusades onto Exweb!

I joined ATD to have debate but you go and slag me off on Exweb!

In the name of Aviva!!!

Praise Aviva!

Lee Jameson wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

[John.............I think he's on a bit of a mission. We all know how close he is to the farm controller.

I'm certain that's what is going on.

At least he's taken my advice and brought his crusade onto an Argyle forum and not an Exeter one.

I was being serious. It is a total waste of his time to engage with the majority of us. We are miles apart. A different breed.
He is not so full of his own perceived importance that he doesn't realise that ?

It is more likely to be part of some typically low, cunning plan hatched by Tony Maffioso.
Give it up. Let's not play silly games ffs .

You make me laugh Tring, you take your crusades onto Exweb!

I joined ATD to have debate but you go and slag me off on Exweb!

Sorry Lee. Didn't mean to do it. By the way, did you really wait til you were leaving to complain to the authorities about the abusive yobs ? It sounds like a very unpleasant experience. Was ' James Brent' there to witness it ? Did your bestie Ian not come to your rescue ?

I went running looking for them both, I could just not find them. I was screaming out for Ian to come to my aid but he could not hear my screams for help.

I reported a long time before I left the ground.

One serious question do you condone such behaviour?

Me an Aviva boy? I live in London all games are " a long old poke for me"

Lee Jameson wrote:

I went running looking for them both, I could just not find them. I was screaming out for Ian to come to my aid but he could not hear my screams for help.

I reported a long time before I left the ground.

One serious question do you condone such behaviour?

Me an Aviva boy? I live in London all games are " a long old poke for me"

I certainly do not condone such behaviour. Had the misfortune to witness similar abuse to the Northampton g/k at Sixfields many moons ago and almost got into a scrap over it. The stewards didn't want to know, so I moved.

Aviva is a state of mind and mentality. Unfounded optimism, compliance and acceptance of mediocrity.

Welcome back Chris.

If you were to use your skills from your day job, how would you broker a peace between ATD and Pasoti?

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Welcome back Chris.

If you were to use your skills from your day job, how would you broker a peace between ATD and Pasoti?

Managed to find a break to check the net

Thanks Frank.

I think you need to identify the main individuals involved in this situation - IJN, PP, GOB, Rickler and Tring seem the key players to me - most others are a bit more light hearted.....and sort it out in private. Nothing is ever sorted by raising the bar in public for show.

Person to person is the best route here.

Maybe we could call in ACAS

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Welcome back Chris.

If you were to use your skills from your day job, how would you broker a peace between ATD and Pasoti?

Get all the chief protagonists together somewhere like a pub or club. Not easy as one lives in Cyprus and one in the USA, but they all visit the UK sometimes. Wozzer might be the man to bring them together. Then I will come along and sit on anybody who will not settle. Note I said SIT (see my avatar).

Chris Webb wrote:

Cerbera supports Argyle and Exeter (enough said) and everyone else is fine.

You asked for honesty. [/color]

Sorry, breaking my own rule here, but this demands further comment. I am Argyle until I die. There is no other club. I have been invited to Exeter (and indeed could call it almost an open invitation) to attend any home match I want to at SJP. One of my best mates runs their Foundation. As a consequence, he invites me along for a 'free' hospitality meal and seat in the Flybe. I'm not so blinkered that I can't watch another team.

Because I am a decent sort of chap, I feel this generosity deserves something in return. I thought joining their Trust was a small token of my appreciation for their hospitality. Because recently I have been unable to attend HP for various work/home reasons and Exeter was close I have been going to watch footy there. As a natural progression, it follows that I have developed an interest in Tisdale's tactics, players and how they are performing after all, I don't want to turn up and be totally ignorant of their set up.

I know I don't have to explain myself to you or anyone else, but to call me a supporter is a bit strong. I suppose you could stretch imagination and call me a financial supporter, but that is all.

pepsipete wrote:

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Welcome back Chris.

If you were to use your skills from your day job, how would you broker a peace between ATD and Pasoti?

Get all the chief protagonists together somewhere like a pub or club. Not easy as one lives in Cyprus and one in the USA, but they all visit the UK sometimes. Wozzer might be the man to bring them together. Then I will come along and sit on anybody who will not settle. Note I said SIT (see my avatar).

I was going to suggest a series of UFC-style cage fights.

Rickler wrote:

Praise Aviva!

Rickler,

I tried to do a reply to your response to my response but it was a right mess with all the colours all over the place and we would have been back and forth again. I tell you what - just write a full list of everything you want to ask, numbered and I'll respond tomorrow when I am back from the game and then hopefully we can move forward a little.

Chris

Cerbera wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

Cerbera supports Argyle and Exeter (enough said) and everyone else is fine.

You asked for honesty. [/color]

Sorry, breaking my own rule here, but this demands further comment. I am Argyle until I die. There is no other club. I have been invited to Exeter (and indeed could call it almost an open invitation) to attend any home match I want to at SJP. One of my best mates runs their Foundation. As a consequence, he invites me along for a 'free' hospitality meal and seat in the Flybe. I'm not so blinkered that I can't watch another team.

Because I am a decent sort of chap, I feel this generosity deserves something in return. I thought joining their Trust was a small token of my appreciation for their hospitality. Because recently I have been unable to attend HP for various work/home reasons and Exeter was close I have been going to watch footy there. As a natural progression, it follows that I have developed an interest in Tisdale's tactics, players and how they are performing after all, I don't want to turn up and be totally ignorant of their set up.

I know I don't have to explain myself to you or anyone else, but to call me a supporter is a bit strong. I suppose you could stretch imagination and call me a financial supporter, but that is all.

It is the Aviva way to attempt to discredit those not wanting to be part of the nodding clique. On the farm, they get away with it for obvious reasons but elsewhere they receive little support . Enough said.
ps I have been accused of being McLondon Green, a Grecian and even a Man U supporter. Never even been to Old Trafford but I've heard that my accuser has........ many times . How does it go? ...............You couldn't make it up !

ps this guy wants to be the next Republican President .................... he could probably walk into a job in the Argyle establishment

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penzancepirate wrote:

John_Vaughan wrote:

This is rather OTT against Chris.

I thought ATD was better than this!

John ... Peggy brought up a very valid point regarding OUTING people's private details against their wishes .... we are debating that. I see that as a good thing... a debate that should be held on Pasoti, but there isn't a cat's chance in hell of that.

This is a free website where this can be discussed.

I do actually agree with you on that front, IJN, who is not my favorate person often abuses people's privacy to suit his agenda. How would he feel if his work place and home address was posted on a public website. i agree disagree with many on this site, but even if i knew who they actually are, despite how peed off i am with them i would never use their real identity if they choose not to use it themselves.

Also Tony Campbell welcomed back despite opening the door to the clubs problems, it is a joke.

pepsipete wrote:

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Welcome back Chris.

If you were to use your skills from your day job, how would you broker a peace between ATD and Pasoti?

Get all the chief protagonists together somewhere like a pub or club. Not easy as one lives in Cyprus and one in the USA, but they all visit the UK sometimes. Wozzer might be the man to bring them together. Then I will come along and sit on anybody who will not settle. Note I said SIT (see my avatar).

I'll gladly meet Chris to put my side of things and although I wouldn't speak for them, I would put him straight on some of the bullshit that he's heard from one person in particular regarding Tring and Ricks. The problem as I see it is that I don't think the President wants to hear things unless it's the things he wants to hear.

Having said we ought to use people's user names only, should we not refer to Chris Webb and not Webby or El Presidente. If he posts as President he should be addressed as Mr President IMO.