Plymouth Argyle Talk - Democratic

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Rickler wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

Rickler wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:: No Nigel you said that I am building a reputation for using foul language.

Indeed I did.

There have been several comments on Pasoti ribbing you about 'swearing' during games. If you haven't seen them, you must be blind. Do you deny that such comments have been made. I must admit... I think you even replied to one of them. However.. Due to the bulllying nature of your new 'best mate', my 'search' facilites on the farm that would enable me to prove this to you, are currently not available to me.

But let's cut to the chase... Do you swear publicaly at matches or not?

Nigel

It's called banter between friends. You know real life ones.

Have I ever in my life swore at a football match? Yes - lock me up.

Do I swear publicaly now? No - No apology needed.

So you admit these comments were made - it's just that they are 'banter'? No its banter that they were made - they were not. Clear?

but banter that is based on nothing factual at all? Or something in the past? Is it that you used to swear at matches, but now that you don't, the silence is deafening ..? The silence is deafening? Do you expect me to reply to your posts as you are writing them?
Is that it? Is that why the banter is so funny from your 'real life' friends?

If you want at apology.. I suggest you get one from the 'internet' version of your real life friends who are leaving a false impression of you!

And to be honest... If you are only back to pass on tidbits from 'James' you needn't bother. I am sure our fine mods can cut and paste your blog from Pasoti for the few who won't read it there. I have made it clear why I have re-registered. Not everyone has to have an agenda Nigel.

I will be honest. I think the Riddler and Brent are using you big time. I do not blame you for falling for it. There are very few people who would have turned the opportunity down. Thanks for your comments. I can assure you that I have never been used in my life and nor will I ever be. If I agree with something it will have my support if I don't then it won't. I made this clear to James Brent as soon as he asked me to be President and he is perfectly comfortable with this. But of course your view from thousands of miles away means more than the mine living the situation doesn't it.

I think you should have been marched into the center of Home Park. Brent shoud have introduced you to the crowd, said his piece, made you the honoury president until the new chair of the trust could assume the position on behalf of the fans, and asked that anyone who ever met you, buy you a beer in thanks.
Everyone would have been happy. I wouldn't have been happy. Don't really like beer - not really sure any position should be handed to the any organisation by default either. Paul Stapleton could be the Trust Chair one day?! Also in your usual style it is funny how you see the role of president as too close to James Brent yet you want an independent Fans' Trust to hold the role. Can't work that mindset out.

As it is now.. How is it going to end up? A supporters meeting is being arranged by James Brent (Date to be confirmed this week). This will be to present his proposals on supporters engagement to the fans at an open meeting. Representatives of the Trust have been involved with this.

If Brent is serious about engaging the fans, he has to do it - not you do it for him! See above

Why hasn't Brent signed up to Pasoti (and this site)? He needen't enter the 'debate', but he could give his thoughts, ideas, and plans directly. I'm Chris Webb not James Brent. Just as I tell Tring when he talks through me to Ian Newell - Sometimes I don't know he answer.

Serious Question: Is Brent even aware of ATD? Are you aware of any discussion regarding this site? Yes he is aware of the site. I can't recall any comment pro/anti just a passing remark about another forum.

If he truely wants to engage the fans... Then hold 'town hall meetings' once a month where he meets fans one on one, and host Argyle world specials on the internet for exiles like me, where we can text, email, phone etc - surely we could get that one together? See comments on meeting that is being planned

Since I am giving suggestions... Brent owes you and the fans a favour, right? Ask him to use the Argyle mailing and email lists to send out his personal wish that all fans join the trust and take part in the discussion on the Trusts own FORUM! (which you need to set up) Why do I need to set up a Trust forum Nigel?

Look what happened the last time the club did that:

1855 members!

Most of those joined in the first few weeks. ...and more importantly... There are hundreds and hundreds of names that you never ever saw on Pasoti - I don't believe Pasoti's finest all suddenly came out from behind thier monikers.

It failed because of the crappy format that allowed people to blog as well as post.

And finally...

Chris Webb wrote:: It isn't this site or pasoti where the issue is.

It is a handful of posters.

125+1 wrote:: There are far to many on here that wanted the club to fold, hence why they now slate brent. Chris, some people are just moaners, as many on here are. Good luck anyway.

Just who are you tarring?

Names! To be honest as you have wished its mainly you Nigel and Penzance Pirate from my own personal viewpoint. You are obsessive, abusive and basically unload a barrage of bile at anyone who disgrees with you. Tring is a bit of a character but has a sense of humour, GOB likes to unload every now and again, Cerbera supports Argyle and Exeter (enough said) and everyone else is fine.

You asked for honesty.

Name these People!

Respectfully,

"Nigel"

There you go Nigel.

Guest

and, AND, on a daily basis! Rolling Eyes

Chris, grow some balls man FFS, you want it told as it is and then whinge when you get it. I've read virtually every post that these guys have made and not a single one of them could be deemed as over the top abuse.

Stop the attempts to slur people, it's finding you out!

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Peggy wrote:: Not so much a question as a request:

Chris: When people use pseudonyms on the internet, they do so for various reasons, some good, some not. One of the good reasons is that they might need to conceal their real identity, perhaps because of the nature of their job. Or because they're not meant to be using the internet or their iphone when they're at work.

Whether or not people use another name for a good reason, all have the right not to have their real identity exposed by another poster. And just because another poster decides, for reasons known only to himself, to 'out' some people whilst allowing others to retain their privacy, there's no need for the Club President to follow in that poster's footsteps.

Both on here and on pasoti you've used people's real names rather than their posting name. Please stop it.

Peggy

Thanks for that. I have only ever used posters "real names" who have engaged with me personally, via PM or in the case of Nigel via Skype.

Its been done in a friendly manner not as you may suggest.

On that basis unless Nigel or anyone else raises an issue (which they haven't) then I'm not sure why it is your place to defend someone who doesn't need to be defended because there isn't an issue.

Chris

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GOB wrote:: and, AND, on a daily basis!

Chris, grow some balls man FFS, you want it told as it is and then whinge when you get it. I've read virtually every post that these guys have made and not a single one of them could be deemed as over the top abuse.

Stop the attempts to slur people, it's finding you out!

Big difference between being told how it is and some of the posts on here GOB.

No problem with you. I think you follow the tide on here but other than that there nothing in your posts that is offensive - you've said the same thing a few times though Smile

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Let's call it then Chris, nothing's deleted on here so how about you provide a post that you seriously deem to be any worse or more abusive then you will find on your Pasoti?

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GOB wrote:: Let's call it then Chris, nothing's deleted on here so how about you provide a post that you seriously deem to be any worse or more abusive then you will find on your Pasoti?

Not deleted but edited............

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Chris Webb wrote:

Peggy wrote:: Not so much a question as a request:

Chris: When people use pseudonyms on the internet, they do so for various reasons, some good, some not. One of the good reasons is that they might need to conceal their real identity, perhaps because of the nature of their job. Or because they're not meant to be using the internet or their iphone when they're at work.

Whether or not people use another name for a good reason, all have the right not to have their real identity exposed by another poster. And just because another poster decides, for reasons known only to himself, to 'out' some people whilst allowing others to retain their privacy, there's no need for the Club President to follow in that poster's footsteps.

Both on here and on pasoti you've used people's real names rather than their posting name. Please stop it.

Peggy

Thanks for that. I have only ever used posters "real names" who have engaged with me personally, via PM or in the case of Nigel via Skype.

Its been done in a friendly manner not as you may suggest.

On that basis unless Nigel or anyone else raises an issue (which they haven't) then I'm not sure why it is your place to defend someone who doesn't need to be defended because there isn't an issue.

Chris

Because in using their real names in a 'friendly' manner you're also outing them to everybody else. Including, for instance, the children they teach in schools, or the clients they need to maintain a professional distance from.

As Penzance pointed out, it's simple internet etiquette which is respected everywhere. Or nearly everywhere.

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Peggy wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

Peggy wrote:: Not so much a question as a request:

Chris: When people use pseudonyms on the internet, they do so for various reasons, some good, some not. One of the good reasons is that they might need to conceal their real identity, perhaps because of the nature of their job. Or because they're not meant to be using the internet or their iphone when they're at work.

Whether or not people use another name for a good reason, all have the right not to have their real identity exposed by another poster. And just because another poster decides, for reasons known only to himself, to 'out' some people whilst allowing others to retain their privacy, there's no need for the Club President to follow in that poster's footsteps.

Both on here and on pasoti you've used people's real names rather than their posting name. Please stop it.

Peggy

Thanks for that. I have only ever used posters "real names" who have engaged with me personally, via PM or in the case of Nigel via Skype.

Its been done in a friendly manner not as you may suggest.

On that basis unless Nigel or anyone else raises an issue (which they haven't) then I'm not sure why it is your place to defend someone who doesn't need to be defended because there isn't an issue.

Chris

Because in using their real names in a 'friendly' manner you're also outing them to everybody else. Including, for instance, the children they teach in schools, or the clients they need to maintain a professional distance from.

As Penzance pointed out, it's simple internet etiquette which is respected everywhere. Or nearly everywhere.

Peggy

A really strange example there.

How may Nigels are there in the world? Where is there any link to their profession?

I miss your point here. If Nigel or anyone else who had their name used raised an issue then I would of course refrain immediately. Until then I am sure there are a few bigger issues surrounding Argyle!!

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Chris Webb wrote:

GOB wrote:: Let's call it then Chris, nothing's deleted on here so how about you provide a post that you seriously deem to be any worse or more abusive then you will find on your Pasoti?

Not deleted but edited............

I assume you mean edited by the user because if not it can be proved that post are not edited by any other, the users on here can edit their post just as Pasoti users can and as IJN recently had to do.

Is that what you are suggesting, or are you suggesting that others are editing? If so I would ask again, provide examples and stop hiding!

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Chris Webb wrote:

Peggy wrote:: Because in using their real names in a 'friendly' manner you're also outing them to everybody else. Including, for instance, the children they teach in schools, or the clients they need to maintain a professional distance from.

As Penzance pointed out, it's simple internet etiquette which is respected everywhere. Or nearly everywhere.

Peggy

A really strange example there.

How may Nigels are there in the world? Where is there any link to their profession?

I miss your point here. If Nigel or anyone else who had their name used raised an issue then I would of course refrain immediately. Until then I am sure there are a few bigger issues surrounding Argyle!!

They're not strange examples at all. There's at least one poster on pasoti who's a teacher, and who would have some difficulties if his posting identity were blown. Similarly, people work as counsellors and in other roles where it's important that their private lives and likes remain confidential.

It's not just about Rickler, either, since you've done it with at least one poster on pasoti as well. Just because one or more mods do it, there's no reason for the Club President (because that's what you are now, and that's how you'll be viewed, like it or not) to do it as well.

Neither is it good enough to say that nobody's complained. You asked us for truth and respect, so you should show it to others. Outing people is not respectful, which is why it's far from common internet practice.

Yes, there are bigger issues facing Argyle, like strengthening the team and management, and I didn't say there aren't. However, this is the issue I'm raising with you now.

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Peggy wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

Peggy wrote:: Because in using their real names in a 'friendly' manner you're also outing them to everybody else. Including, for instance, the children they teach in schools, or the clients they need to maintain a professional distance from.

As Penzance pointed out, it's simple internet etiquette which is respected everywhere. Or nearly everywhere.

Peggy

A really strange example there.

How may Nigels are there in the world? Where is there any link to their profession?

I miss your point here. If Nigel or anyone else who had their name used raised an issue then I would of course refrain immediately. Until then I am sure there are a few bigger issues surrounding Argyle!!

They're not strange examples at all. There's at least one poster on pasoti who's a teacher, and who would have some difficulties if his posting identity were blown. Similarly, people work as counsellors and in other roles where it's important that their private lives and likes remain confidential.

It's not just about Rickler, either, since you've done it with at least one poster on pasoti as well. Just because one or more mods do it, there's no reason for the Club President (because that's what you are now, and that's how you'll be viewed, like it or not) to do it as well.

Neither is it good enough to say that nobody's complained. You asked us for truth and respect, so you should show it to others. Outing people is not respectful, which is why it's far from common internet practice.

Yes, there are bigger issues facing Argyle, like strengthening the team and management, and I didn't say there aren't. However, this is the issue I'm raising with you now.

Yes and you have my response.

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Chris Webb wrote:: How may Nigels are there in the world? Where is there any link to their profession?

I miss your point here.

You certainly do.... just because you and the likes of Ian Newell CHOOSE to put their name up in lights, doesn't mean everyone wants that. And at the start of the Trust, there was this rush for people wanting to stand for the Trust to change their username to their real name ... Greenguy to Tim Chown, being an obvious example. Fine, but that was their choice, no one else's.

Let me give you a very simple example from your mate.
I had a point to make a long time ago on Pasoti about the now disgraced Tony Campbell. That financial adviser and Kagami's man on the ground dealing with the natives happened to be a mate of IJN's.
As soon as I brought up the subject of Campbell's history, IJN decided to publish my surname along with the first name he had been using aginst my will.... what's wrong with Pirate ... or Rickler ... or Webb ? ... these are the USERNAMES people choose, and they do not expect other addressing, unless agreed to.
Of course, in the Campbell thing with IJN, it was a childlike attempt to bully me ... to OUT me .... big deal .... if only he knew how pointless that is., and in fact counter productive with someone like me. It's not up to moderators of websites or employers of people to give out the private details of information they hold.... as a Trade Union man, I would hope you fully agree with that. Sort it out.... it's a Pandora's box.

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penzancepirate wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:: How may Nigels are there in the world? Where is there any link to their profession?

I miss your point here.

You certainly do.... just because you and the likes of Ian Newell CHOOSE to put their name up in lights, doesn't mean everyone wants that. And at the start of the Trust, there was this rush for people wanting to stand for the Trust to change their username to their real name ... Greenguy to Tim Chown, being an obvious example. Fine, but that was their choice, no one else's.

Let me give you a very simple example from your mate.
I had a point to make a long time ago on Pasoti about the now disgraced Tony Campbell. That financial adviser and Kagami's man on the ground dealing with the natives happened to be a mate of IJN's.
As soon as I brought up the subject of Campbell's history, IJN decided to publish my surname along with the first name he had been using aginst my will.... what's wrong with Pirate ... or Rickler ... or Webb ? ... these are the USERNAMES people choose, and they do not expect other addressing, unless agreed to.
Of course, in the Campbell thing with IJN, it was a childlike attempt to bully me ... to OUT me .... big deal .... if only he knew how pointless that is., and in fact counter productive with someone like me. It's not up to moderators of websites or employers of people to give out the private details of information they hold.... as a Trade Union man, I would hope you fully agree with that. Sort it out.... it's a Pandora's box.

Wondered how long PP would take to bring the day job into it. All very predictable.

Subject: Re: Hi Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:11 pm

Chris Webb wrote:

Peggy wrote:: Not so much a question as a request:

Chris: When people use pseudonyms on the internet, they do so for various reasons, some good, some not. One of the good reasons is that they might need to conceal their real identity, perhaps because of the nature of their job. Or because they're not meant to be using the internet or their iphone when they're at work.

Whether or not people use another name for a good reason, all have the right not to have their real identity exposed by another poster. And just because another poster decides, for reasons known only to himself, to 'out' some people whilst allowing others to retain their privacy, there's no need for the Club President to follow in that poster's footsteps.

Both on here and on pasoti you've used people's real names rather than their posting name. Please stop it.

Peggy

Thanks for that. I have only ever used posters "real names" who have engaged with me personally, via PM or in the case of Nigel via Skype.

Its been done in a friendly manner not as you may suggest.

On that basis unless Nigel or anyone else raises an issue (which they haven't) then I'm not sure why it is your place to defend someone who doesn't need to be defended because there isn't an issue.

Chris

Chris

Thanks for that.

I've never engaged with you personally and yet you used my name recently. Not that it bothered me, a number of people know me. I guess that was on the back of IJN's attempt to 'out' me the other night - something which just made him look silly.

Hope I'm not being too petty for you, but you need to make sure of your facts before posting.

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Chris Webb wrote:: Wondered how long PP would take to bring the day job into it. All very predictable.

Regardless of your day job, it's wrong .... and you know it is .... sort it out.

And while wer're on about your day job, details that YOU volunteered in public, it's YOU that mix your day job and your Argyle Presidency on your Twitter account

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PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

Peggy wrote:: Not so much a question as a request:

Chris: When people use pseudonyms on the internet, they do so for various reasons, some good, some not. One of the good reasons is that they might need to conceal their real identity, perhaps because of the nature of their job. Or because they're not meant to be using the internet or their iphone when they're at work.

Whether or not people use another name for a good reason, all have the right not to have their real identity exposed by another poster. And just because another poster decides, for reasons known only to himself, to 'out' some people whilst allowing others to retain their privacy, there's no need for the Club President to follow in that poster's footsteps.

Both on here and on pasoti you've used people's real names rather than their posting name. Please stop it.

Peggy

Thanks for that. I have only ever used posters "real names" who have engaged with me personally, via PM or in the case of Nigel via Skype.

Its been done in a friendly manner not as you may suggest.

On that basis unless Nigel or anyone else raises an issue (which they haven't) then I'm not sure why it is your place to defend someone who doesn't need to be defended because there isn't an issue.

Chris

Chris

Thanks for that.

I've never engaged with you personally and yet you used my name recently. Not that it bothered me, a number of people know me. I guess that was on the back of IJN's attempt to 'out' me the other night - something which just made him look silly.

Hope I'm not being too petty for you, but you need to make sure of your facts before posting.

PP,

We've exchanged a few PMs on pasoti. Remember when I asked you what your gripe with me was and if there was anything I could do to change your mind?

Obviously slipped your mind.

Chris

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penzancepirate wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:: Wondered how long PP would take to bring the day job into it. All very predictable.

Regardless of your day job, it's wrong .... and you know it is .... sort it out.

So why bring my day job into it?

Subject: Re: Hi Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:23 pm

Chris Webb wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

Peggy wrote:: Not so much a question as a request:

Chris: When people use pseudonyms on the internet, they do so for various reasons, some good, some not. One of the good reasons is that they might need to conceal their real identity, perhaps because of the nature of their job. Or because they're not meant to be using the internet or their iphone when they're at work.

Whether or not people use another name for a good reason, all have the right not to have their real identity exposed by another poster. And just because another poster decides, for reasons known only to himself, to 'out' some people whilst allowing others to retain their privacy, there's no need for the Club President to follow in that poster's footsteps.

Both on here and on pasoti you've used people's real names rather than their posting name. Please stop it.

Peggy

Thanks for that. I have only ever used posters "real names" who have engaged with me personally, via PM or in the case of Nigel via Skype.

Its been done in a friendly manner not as you may suggest.

On that basis unless Nigel or anyone else raises an issue (which they haven't) then I'm not sure why it is your place to defend someone who doesn't need to be defended because there isn't an issue.

Chris

Chris

Thanks for that.

I've never engaged with you personally and yet you used my name recently. Not that it bothered me, a number of people know me. I guess that was on the back of IJN's attempt to 'out' me the other night - something which just made him look silly.

Hope I'm not being too petty for you, but you need to make sure of your facts before posting.

PP,

We've exchanged a few PMs on pasoti. Remember when I asked you what your gripe with me was and if there was anything I could do to change your mind?

Obviously slipped your mind.

Chris

No it hadn't slipped my mind. You pm'd me as Plympton Pilgrim and I replied in that name. What gives you the right to use my real name?

Like I said, get your facts right.

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Yet STILL no more abuse that you would find on Pasoti, Chris, in fact when compared we're quite mild, wouldn't you agree?

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PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

Peggy wrote:: Not so much a question as a request:

Chris: When people use pseudonyms on the internet, they do so for various reasons, some good, some not. One of the good reasons is that they might need to conceal their real identity, perhaps because of the nature of their job. Or because they're not meant to be using the internet or their iphone when they're at work.

Whether or not people use another name for a good reason, all have the right not to have their real identity exposed by another poster. And just because another poster decides, for reasons known only to himself, to 'out' some people whilst allowing others to retain their privacy, there's no need for the Club President to follow in that poster's footsteps.

Both on here and on pasoti you've used people's real names rather than their posting name. Please stop it.

Peggy

Thanks for that. I have only ever used posters "real names" who have engaged with me personally, via PM or in the case of Nigel via Skype.

Its been done in a friendly manner not as you may suggest.

On that basis unless Nigel or anyone else raises an issue (which they haven't) then I'm not sure why it is your place to defend someone who doesn't need to be defended because there isn't an issue.

Chris

Chris

Thanks for that.

I've never engaged with you personally and yet you used my name recently. Not that it bothered me, a number of people know me. I guess that was on the back of IJN's attempt to 'out' me the other night - something which just made him look silly.

Hope I'm not being too petty for you, but you need to make sure of your facts before posting.

PP,

We've exchanged a few PMs on pasoti. Remember when I asked you what your gripe with me was and if there was anything I could do to change your mind?

Obviously slipped your mind.

Chris

No it hadn't slipped my mind. You pm'd me as Plympton Pilgrim and I replied in that name. What gives you the right to use my real name?

Like I said, get your facts right.

My copy starts Garry,

Would you rather I didn't use your real name? As stated to Peggy, I am more than happy with this.

Chris

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Chris Webb wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:: Wondered how long PP would take to bring the day job into it. All very predictable.

Regardless of your day job, it's wrong .... and you know it is .... sort it out.

So why bring my day job into it?

Here's a quote from you ... your Pasoti signature

Quote :: Follow me on twitter for my personal views on my day job and Argyle @Chris_Webb1

Who is bringing their day job into the equation ..... you or me ? Get real and sort your strategy, or at least stop trying to take people on for the sake of it.... it will be counter productive.

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penzancepirate wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

Chris Webb wrote:: Wondered how long PP would take to bring the day job into it. All very predictable.

Regardless of your day job, it's wrong .... and you know it is .... sort it out.

So why bring my day job into it?

Here's a quote from you ... your Pasoti signature

Quote :: Follow me on twitter for my personal views on my day job and Argyle @Chris_Webb1

Who is bringing their day job into the equation ..... you or me ? Get real and sort your strategy, or at least stop trying to take people on for the sake of it.... it will be counter productive.

What has my personal twitter account got to do with this debate? Blimey you really are bitter PP.

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Right, I am off.

In work early followed by a trip to Stourbridge so will catch up on Wednesday.

Take care..

Chris

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First abuse goes to the President! 1 nil, game on!

Subject: Re: Hi Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:37 pm

Chris Webb wrote:: My copy starts Garry,

Would you rather I didn't use your real name? As stated to Peggy, I am more than happy with this.

Chris

I've just checked the exchange (yes, I keep things too), and nowhere is my real name mentioned.

So you're obviously, shall we say, mistaken.

So, I ask again, what gives you the right to use my real name.

Hi