fletcher is shit...new manager in NOW!!!

Frank Bullitt wrote:

I imagine they will turn on Fletcher first to take any pressure away from Brent. But the whole pack of cards is about to come tumbling down.

That's a very, very good call Frank.
What I want to know is though, which of the superfans would turn on their new best mate first ... if push came to shove.

Yep.It takes a lot for me to turn against a manager but he has to go.Been thinking about all the previous times we've left it too late or nearly too late-Ufton,Kelly,Lawrence,Hore,McCall,Summerfield-rookies all of them and all incapable of putting their stamp on the club.We need a manager who can get us out of this shit-someone like Ronnie Moore,with a bit of personality and experience would be the man for me.Whether the Brent/Ridsdale axis will see it this way remains to be seen.But surely Ridsdale knows enough to see that this cannot go on?

Fletch the 'legend' who 'bleeds green' is as safe as houses. With the directors box full of pasoti tonight the lunatics have well and truly taken over the asylum. Sir Alex is far more likely to sacked than fletch.

Trust in brent
trust in ridsdale
trust in webby


Aviva till the end

Probably the worst Directors' box we've ever had.

penzancepirate wrote:

Probably the worst Directors' box we've ever had.

Well that lot had better get used to sitting in evostick league directors boxes

penzancepirate wrote:

Phenom wrote:

Thats it he has to go NOW!!!! no more bullshit about giving him time we havent got time to waste action is needed now so step up to the mark brent show your not a puppet who listens to a group of fans as you seem to think they speak for them all.

I remember Toddy's first response to calls for Sturrock's head .... we are patient businessmen, Paul's our man. Ridsdale's problem is that he's invested some of Brent's belief in him with the Fletcher appointment. He has to stick with him

In fact, they all, including the superfans, have tied themselves up in a parcel ... they've all invested everything in this mythical unity between fans, owners, players and staff ... none of the can now bad mouth or replace any of the others ... it's a no win scenario.... literally. And when Fletcher is replaced, which he will be, it will be way way too late.

whoever idea it was to give fletcher the job with no additional help is the biggest tool walking this side of Plymouth.


i asked on twitter and got a few kids fighting hard to defend fletcher as manager all they can say is 8 points since his appointment 9 points out of 54 is nothing at all. not his players ok but doesnt a bad workman blame his tools when they dont do the job they want. Even peter reid isnt defending this group of players!! and now its still stapletons fault.

whatever

Phenom wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

Phenom wrote:

Thats it he has to go NOW!!!! no more bullshit about giving him time we havent got time to waste action is needed now so step up to the mark brent show your not a puppet who listens to a group of fans as you seem to think they speak for them all.

I remember Toddy's first response to calls for Sturrock's head .... we are patient businessmen, Paul's our man. Ridsdale's problem is that he's invested some of Brent's belief in him with the Fletcher appointment. He has to stick with him

In fact, they all, including the superfans, have tied themselves up in a parcel ... they've all invested everything in this mythical unity between fans, owners, players and staff ... none of the can now bad mouth or replace any of the others ... it's a no win scenario.... literally. And when Fletcher is replaced, which he will be, it will be way way too late.

whoever idea it was to give fletcher the job with no additional help is the biggest tool walking this side of Plymouth.


i asked on twitter and got a few kids fighting hard to defend fletcher as manager all they can say is 8 points since his appointment 9 points out of 54 is nothing at all. not his players ok but doesnt a bad workman blame his tools when they dont do the job they want. Even peter reid isnt defending this group of players!! and now its still stapletons fault.

whatever

Cough...Newell and Webb

Phenom wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

Phenom wrote:

Thats it he has to go NOW!!!! no more bullshit about giving him time we havent got time to waste action is needed now so step up to the mark brent show your not a puppet who listens to a group of fans as you seem to think they speak for them all.

I remember Toddy's first response to calls for Sturrock's head .... we are patient businessmen, Paul's our man. Ridsdale's problem is that he's invested some of Brent's belief in him with the Fletcher appointment. He has to stick with him

In fact, they all, including the superfans, have tied themselves up in a parcel ... they've all invested everything in this mythical unity between fans, owners, players and staff ... none of the can now bad mouth or replace any of the others ... it's a no win scenario.... literally. And when Fletcher is replaced, which he will be, it will be way way too late.

whoever idea it was to give fletcher the job with no additional help is the biggest tool walking this side of Plymouth.


i asked on twitter and got a few kids fighting hard to defend fletcher as manager all they can say is 8 points since his appointment 9 points out of 54 is nothing at all. not his players ok but doesnt a bad workman blame his tools when they dont do the job they want. Even peter reid isnt defending this group of players!! and now its still stapletons fault.

whatever

It is still Stapleton's fault.

I don't think we can blame Webb and Newell for appointing Fletcher. I think we can blame Ridsdale who appointed Fletcher to ward off the threat of a strike when the players were not getting paid.

Too depressed to comment.

Just heard Fletchers comments...ummmmmm..........you know .........its diapppointing.....you know...we have to adress the discipline..............ummmm you know...i hope its right for saturday...WTF


Get this idiot out now

I havent seen us play since crewe back at the start of the season and we weren't very good then, but by god are we worse now. I actually like fletch, I think he seems like a nice chap, but he is obviously off the mark fitness wise. He was second to most balls, looked a bit of a liability in tackles and 50/50. Also his tactical decisions tonight were baffling. For a start Feeney was playing ok with the ball to his feet (when it was played to feet) but nobody was making a run or attempting to make a run for him. Atkinson was pretty poor IMO and should have been replaced by Lecointe early on to provide some sort of attacking option. Nelson, again i know he's young, but I understood the offside rule pretty well when I was 10, so why in the name of sweet jeysus must he defend so deep and play every beggar onside!!! we are too easily bullied and pushed around. Oh for a Jock morrison to come back and sort this bunch out.
to be honest I could go on but what would it achieve.
We are pants.
It needs to be sorted asap.
The team is not good, but it seems that tactics are also woeful.
its all very depressing.


ps What a depressing first post eh!!!

League survival is still possible if Fletch stands down as manager. It is down to Fletch to stand down as Ridsdale ain't going to boot him anytime soon.

bexleygreen wrote:

I havent seen us play since crewe back at the start of the season and we weren't very good then, but by god are we worse now. I actually like fletch, I think he seems like a nice chap, but he is obviously off the mark fitness wise. He was second to most balls, looked a bit of a liability in tackles and 50/50. Also his tactical decisions tonight were baffling. For a start Feeney was playing ok with the ball to his feet (when it was played to feet) but nobody was making a run or attempting to make a run for him. Atkinson was pretty poor IMO and should have been replaced by Lecointe early on to provide some sort of attacking option. Nelson, again i know he's young, but I understood the offside rule pretty well when I was 10, so why in the name of sweet jeysus must he defend so deep and play every beggar onside!!! we are too easily bullied and pushed around. Oh for a Jock morrison to come back and sort this bunch out.
to be honest I could go on but what would it achieve.
We are pants.
It needs to be sorted asap.
The team is not good, but it seems that tactics are also woeful.
its all very depressing.


ps What a depressing first post eh!!!

Welcome to the wonderful world of ATD
An island of sanity in a sea of Aviva,ness

Fletcher must be gone before Saturday

bexleygreen wrote:

I havent seen us play since crewe back at the start of the season and we weren't very good then, but by god are we worse now. I actually like fletch, I think he seems like a nice chap, but he is obviously off the mark fitness wise. He was second to most balls, looked a bit of a liability in tackles and 50/50. Also his tactical decisions tonight were baffling. For a start Feeney was playing ok with the ball to his feet (when it was played to feet) but nobody was making a run or attempting to make a run for him. Atkinson was pretty poor IMO and should have been replaced by Lecointe early on to provide some sort of attacking option. Nelson, again i know he's young, but I understood the offside rule pretty well when I was 10, so why in the name of sweet jeysus must he defend so deep and play every beggar onside!!! we are too easily bullied and pushed around. Oh for a Jock morrison to come back and sort this bunch out.
to be honest I could go on but what would it achieve.
We are pants.
It needs to be sorted asap.
The team is not good, but it seems that tactics are also woeful.
its all very depressing.


ps What a depressing first post eh!!!

Welcome to the crucible old chap,i thought your post was rather realistic,depression accompanies all things Argyle these days,goes with the territory.

Greenskin wrote:

Phenom wrote:

penzancepirate wrote:

Phenom wrote:

Thats it he has to go NOW!!!! no more bullshit about giving him time we havent got time to waste action is needed now so step up to the mark brent show your not a puppet who listens to a group of fans as you seem to think they speak for them all.

I remember Toddy's first response to calls for Sturrock's head .... we are patient businessmen, Paul's our man. Ridsdale's problem is that he's invested some of Brent's belief in him with the Fletcher appointment. He has to stick with him

In fact, they all, including the superfans, have tied themselves up in a parcel ... they've all invested everything in this mythical unity between fans, owners, players and staff ... none of the can now bad mouth or replace any of the others ... it's a no win scenario.... literally. And when Fletcher is replaced, which he will be, it will be way way too late.

whoever idea it was to give fletcher the job with no additional help is the biggest tool walking this side of Plymouth.


i asked on twitter and got a few kids fighting hard to defend fletcher as manager all they can say is 8 points since his appointment 9 points out of 54 is nothing at all. not his players ok but doesnt a bad workman blame his tools when they dont do the job they want. Even peter reid isnt defending this group of players!! and now its still stapletons fault.

whatever

It is still Stapleton's fault.

yes it is in ways but the performance tonight was down to how shit we are

Greenskin wrote:

bexleygreen wrote:

I havent seen us play since crewe back at the start of the season and we weren't very good then, but by god are we worse now. I actually like fletch, I think he seems like a nice chap, but he is obviously off the mark fitness wise. He was second to most balls, looked a bit of a liability in tackles and 50/50. Also his tactical decisions tonight were baffling. For a start Feeney was playing ok with the ball to his feet (when it was played to feet) but nobody was making a run or attempting to make a run for him. Atkinson was pretty poor IMO and should have been replaced by Lecointe early on to provide some sort of attacking option. Nelson, again i know he's young, but I understood the offside rule pretty well when I was 10, so why in the name of sweet jeysus must he defend so deep and play every beggar onside!!! we are too easily bullied and pushed around. Oh for a Jock morrison to come back and sort this bunch out.
to be honest I could go on but what would it achieve.
We are pants.
It needs to be sorted asap.
The team is not good, but it seems that tactics are also woeful.
its all very depressing.


ps What a depressing first post eh!!!

Welcome to the crucible old chap,i thought your post was rather realistic,depression accompanies all things Argyle these days,goes with the territory.

Thank you for the welcome peeps, but i prefer young lady (not that you would have any idea from my rather vague username )

bexleygreen wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

bexleygreen wrote:

I havent seen us play since crewe back at the start of the season and we weren't very good then, but by god are we worse now. I actually like fletch, I think he seems like a nice chap, but he is obviously off the mark fitness wise. He was second to most balls, looked a bit of a liability in tackles and 50/50. Also his tactical decisions tonight were baffling. For a start Feeney was playing ok with the ball to his feet (when it was played to feet) but nobody was making a run or attempting to make a run for him. Atkinson was pretty poor IMO and should have been replaced by Lecointe early on to provide some sort of attacking option. Nelson, again i know he's young, but I understood the offside rule pretty well when I was 10, so why in the name of sweet jeysus must he defend so deep and play every beggar onside!!! we are too easily bullied and pushed around. Oh for a Jock morrison to come back and sort this bunch out.
to be honest I could go on but what would it achieve.
We are pants.
It needs to be sorted asap.
The team is not good, but it seems that tactics are also woeful.
its all very depressing.


ps What a depressing first post eh!!!

Welcome to the crucible old chap,i thought your post was rather realistic,depression accompanies all things Argyle these days,goes with the territory.

Thank you for the welcome peeps, but i prefer young lady (not that you would have any idea from my rather vague username )

Sorry old girl,bit presumptious of me!

Even the King of the Avivas Greengenes is calling for Fletcher to go.

Personally I am expecting his resignation to be announced by the club in the morning.

No worries greenskin

I have been worried about fletch and ro from the start. Player/manager/coaches rarely work. They seem well out of their depth. Their individual performances show it as much as the managerial results do. How can Fletch give the team the kick up the hole they need, when he played like poop himself-it's lunacy!

Arch Stanton wrote:

Even the King of the Avivas Greengenes is calling for Fletcher to go.

Personally I am expecting his resignation to be announced by the club in the morning.

I hope and pray
My heart says yes but my head thinks this doughnut and his aviva emisarries will still be here when we play Northampton

Fletcher may well have a future in the game as a manager. But he is only 31 years old and probably the youngest manager in the football league. Some say he has been a very good captain and leader at Argyle, but results show otherwise. I am not sure what managerial qualities he has shown during that time. I am amazed that anyone recommended his appointment to Brent. Appointments like this are rarely successful and there is no way that Brent would have appointed a novice to lead one of his other businesses out of administration.

Despite a slight upturn in performance and results since his appointment it is clear that it is not going to enough to get us out of this mess. Discipline appears to be as bad as ever. Fletcher appears to be tactically outclassed and there is no proof that he has any decent contacts in the game.

How Fletcher is seen as a better appointment then an experienced manager is beyond me. Whoever advised Brent of this needs to have a long hard look at themselves.

Agree with all of the above, we need someone who can sit (stand) in the dugout and scream at the team and can see what is going on. Fletch might well be a lovely bloke, but he is no leader. He cannot see that we are defending too deep, or that Larrieu is off his line (again) or that hoofing the ball up field and hoping that our (non existent) bulky striker is on the end of it isn't working. For a start, he isn't articulate enough. If his interviews are anything to go by, his team talk at half time must be truly awe inspiring!

Don't misunderstand me though, Reidy had to go. He might have had the contacts, but he had lost the dressing room and was under performing himself. Fletch should have been a temporary move until we had a permanent manager on board.

Good post by Damon Lenszner on pasoti regarding Fletch-

Chris, when you thought things were not right at the Club you fought, and boy did you fight!, to get the wrong righted. There are many fans that look at the team now and see some or all of the following:

Ill disciplined, unmotivated, poorly organised, unfit, poorly prepared and tactically inept.

Our fight now is to try and right that wrong. Some may say each and every one of the above comes from inexperienced players being lead by an inexperienced manager. I have the greatest respect for Fletch as a man and as a player. We cannot, however, afford to be part of Fletch's learning curve. With all due respect to the people involved in the decision making process we need a leader right now. SOmeone who can instill pride into those wearing the shirts. Someone who can instill confidence by having been there and done it. Someone who can look into a players eyes and know what's needed. Someone who can coach others into being better players. Someone who can read a game and change things to make a difference. Sean O'Driscoll may well be that person. Gary Johnson may well be that person. But that person MUST be the leader, MUST be the gaffer, MUST be the boss - not a Consultant who sits somewhere between the Manager and the Chairman of Football Operations.

I will be there on Saturday. I will cheer on the Greens. I will never give up. I will hope more than anything that we get three points - but it is a hope born from blind faith. I would rather have that hope born from expectation.