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Anyone who supports this development in its present form either...

a) Has something to gain personally from it,
b)Doesn't grasp what this means in terms of (non)development future potential, or
c)Is quite literally too thick to understand, and so is happy to support the people who fall in to bracket (a).

"Ooh ooh a shiny new thing"

I think most people from the Westcountry stopped getting that excited about new things when they realised that Big W in Pool was just a bigger Woolworths so they went back to shopping in Pool market.

No matter how swish it looked from afar, the contents were shit and see where Woolworths is now?

A cautionary tale.

greensleeves wrote:

Bandwagon wrote:

Reading the Greensleeves posts my deduction is that Brent is building a corporate entertainment facility with a stand attached - and yes I do mean only the Argyle bit!! I have done the business lounge twice and the Pyramid thing a bit longer ago - found both venues very insular and elitist, although I've been in business for 30 odd years and could afford it I won't be sampling that any time soon!! To sum it up I would say that the club is/has created a 2 tier fanbase and the divide will only increase - if there is an increase from 160 to 600 tables I will be amazed they fill it!! It could have all been played a bit better but gone too far now - it's all about choosing your side!!

Bandwagon,
Each to his own and all that. Its 600 covers(diners) the new corporate area will accomodate,not tables..The £3million that I quoted refers to the level of income that I think we will get if/when the club returns to the CCC.A figure of £1 million has been quoted by James Brent,for the immediate future,and I think that is a very conservative figure.When you consider,advertising in the stand,naming rights,corporate hospitality on match days,corporate hospitality on non match days,income from bars,entertaining,fan fests,especially first of all when the novelty value kicks in,I think £1million + is very achievable.As for a two tier fan base,that is not how I see it,the fan base is coming together nicely,as was evident at many games last season.

As you've obviously looked at the corporate side of things in some detail you may have noted from the published plans that the shelf can only be legally accessed via the corporate facility due to the lack of turnstiles at the stairways, which have since been referred to as emergency egress.

Whether this will be changed in planning application plans or will be drip fed like the school and sell off of all the retail units will be interesting.

So in effect no seats were originally provided for the 600 corporate covers and then when there was uproar about the low stand capacity "extra" seats were "added" that only have access from the corporate area?

Those seats simply must have been part of the plan all along.

Pretty conclusive evidence, if any was needed, that we are in the process of being well and truly had.

Outrageous.

So the "extra" 600 seats are not actually extra for us mere Plebs!?
This shit gets worse with every passing day.
Wake me up when this nightmare is over

SFD...that don't sound like outrageous to me.Not an exclamation mark or an expletive in sight. Jock would give you a "D" for that effort.Come on...have all the corporates got to remain cooped up like battery hens or are we allowed a bit of sunlight now and again.,,,,.....GG looks like the upper tier is corporate only then,you pay the entrance fee you get the best view syndrome.It was always like that though.Before your time I expect,but the centre grandstand was always more expensive than the "west wing or the east wing" as they were called.And so it should be...football clubs are a businesss you know.The plans will be released shortly,then things will be clear for all.

,,,,,,,,,,,agenda,,,,,,,,,or troll?

Iggy,nice of you to reply.Not a troll, nobody is pulling my strings, ATD is just something to while away the close season.You can always press the ignore button ,but then you may miss the exciting bits.....TCM help!!!!!

greensleeves wrote:

SFD...that don't sound like outrageous to me.Not an exclamation mark or an expletive in sight. Jock would give you a "D" for that effort.Come on...have all the corporates got to remain cooped up like battery hens or are we allowed a bit of sunlight now and again.,,,,.....GG looks like the upper tier is corporate only then,you pay the entrance fee you get the best view syndrome.It was always like that though.Before your time I expect,but the centre grandstand was always more expensive than the "west wing or the east wing" as they were called.And so it should be...football clubs are a businesss you know.The plans will be released shortly,then things will be clear for all.

You feckin appear to be feckin missing the feckin point!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Is that better?)

Of course the corpses need a seat to watch the game from. That's my point. They do now and they did when the original plan was leaked. Only now they have their nicely self-contained unit, which keeps them out of the way of the likes me so I'm all for it, whereas before there was no apparent provision for them at all. All of a sudden the suits occupy the "extra" capacity that looks just like the very definition of a bespoke gated community that, I suspect, it was envisaged to be all along.

Meaning that rather than compromising or bowing to fan opinion regarding capacity they simply chopped a bit off to start with and then bunged it back again.

Next thing they'll be telling us that they could fit all the stuff underneath it if the stand was a 1000 seats smaller. Well I bet they feckin couldn't!!!!!!!!!! (There's some more for you.) Hence the stand being 1000 seats bigger than the minimum the contractual agreement demands.

Basically the entire plan is one huge scam with PAFC being the scammed and Brent being the scammer and it all stinks to high heaven.

Brents plan is to force argyle out of homepark and into a mini ground pile of shite covered in murals of the cretins who let this happen, brent wants homepark for his retail park its the thin end of the wedge where the property developer is concerned, i've never seen his lip quiver, this must be resisted by every argyle fan concerned about the clubs longterm future.

GreenSam wrote:

gasser9 wrote:

I keep hearing that should we get promoted to the Premiership then that is the time to increase the capacity.

How long does it take to build a new stand or extend an existing one?

With the close season getting shorter each year surely there isn't time is there?

We could be back in Division one by the time the work is completed or have I missed something?

Apparently Plan A (the extension to the Devonport could be done in a relatively short space of time). However, if we get promoted through the play-offs, the amount of time it would take to get the contracting all sorted out and get the stand built...I have my severe doubts that it could be done in one Summer.

Actually Option 2 (a) is adding 2500 seats around the whole of the horseshoe not just the Devonport End. It's 4/5 rows of seats added to the back of the stands. Some of these seats will have restricted views due to the 26 ( I think) steel supports which are currently holding the roof up. Akkeron's educated guesstimate of how much this will cost is £2.5 million.

Whether this would comply with the "Green Guide" which is the guide Akkeron used when they looked at the WG's plan is unlikely.


Option 2 (b) was the plan to put another tier on top of the horseshoe. This was going to add 4,500 seats. This is the plan that they are guesstimating would cost £9 million and take 3 years to build because it is so complex to build, they could only build an extension on one stand a year. This is also the option that no one has mentioned in the last 3 months now. Hardly surprising is it.

All the engineers, builders and other construction professionals that have looked at this and given an opinion, have said while anything is possible, these two options are not economically viable. The only industry professionals who think there isn't a problem is Akkeron's. I haven't heard or read any other Argyle fan who knows anything about building who agrees with them. Why is that?

greensleeves wrote:

SFD...that don't sound like outrageous to me.Not an exclamation mark or an expletive in sight. Jock would give you a "D" for that effort.Come on...have all the corporates got to remain cooped up like battery hens or are we allowed a bit of sunlight now and again.,,,,.....GG looks like the upper tier is corporate only then,you pay the entrance fee you get the best view syndrome.It was always like that though.Before your time I expect,but the centre grandstand was always more expensive than the "west wing or the east wing" as they were called.And so it should be...football clubs are a businesss you know.The plans will be released shortly,then things will be clear for all.

All conjecture until the plans are released.

At the end of the day if JB wants the shelf to be half empty for most of the game whilst the seat owners down another pint like the Emirates ring or club Wembley thats up to him .
Just a shame that the loyal patrons of the grandstand who enjoy the elevated view but cannot afford the extra £20+VAT for a corporate nose bag will be frozen out. To be fair it does look as if the 180 space club bar above ticket office will have access so there could be limited spaces up there for SuperGreen ST holders presumably in the DE wing seats rather than the Platinum seats.

If it does come through then JB best hope that his professionals have reinstated the shelf disabled viewing areas that went missing in last CGI or the plans won't make it past day one.

Richard Blight wrote:

GreenSam wrote:

gasser9 wrote:

I keep hearing that should we get promoted to the Premiership then that is the time to increase the capacity.

How long does it take to build a new stand or extend an existing one?

With the close season getting shorter each year surely there isn't time is there?

We could be back in Division one by the time the work is completed or have I missed something?

Apparently Plan A (the extension to the Devonport could be done in a relatively short space of time). However, if we get promoted through the play-offs, the amount of time it would take to get the contracting all sorted out and get the stand built...I have my severe doubts that it could be done in one Summer.

Actually Option 2 (a) is adding 2500 seats around the whole of the horseshoe not just the Devonport End. It's 4/5 rows of seats added to the back of the stands. Some of these seats will have restricted views due to the 26 ( I think) steel supports which are currently holding the roof up. Akkeron's educated guesstimate of how much this will cost is £2.5 million.

Whether this would comply with the "Green Guide" which is the guide Akkeron used when they looked at the WG's plan is unlikely.


Option 2 (b) was the plan to put another tier on top of the horseshoe. This was going to add 4,500 seats. This is the plan that they are guesstimating would cost £9 million and take 3 years to build because it is so complex to build, they could only build an extension on one stand a year. This is also the option that no one has mentioned in the last 3 months now. Hardly surprising is it.

All the engineers, builders and other construction professionals that have looked at this and given an opinion, have said while anything is possible, these two options are not economically viable. The only industry professionals who think there isn't a problem is Akkeron's. I haven't heard or read any other Argyle fan who knows anything about building who agrees with them. Why is that?

You have grasped the nettle throughout this exercise on behalf of the fans and for that we should be thankful - what a shame fans were put in a situation where they had to choose their side, this being the best ever chance of bringing the fans and owner together and forward!! Instead, possibly the worst managed bit of PR I can remember in my 45 odd years supporting this club - this fan is totally underwhelmed!!

As the intention appears to be confined to third/fourth level membership, why not build a small stand with a large standing area in front. Would be cheaper and increase capacity at a stroke. If the Premier is ever reached (same old Argyle) then build a larger stand over the standing area.

pepsipete wrote:

As the intention appears to be confined to third/fourth level membership, why not build a small stand with a large standing area in front. Would be cheaper and increase capacity at a stroke. If the Premier is ever reached (same old Argyle) then build a larger stand over the standing area.

I would love to stand on the Mayflower again but I beleive, once we reached the Championship and given 3 years standing grace it can never be reverted? Please let the people in the know answer that one.

Bandwagon wrote:

pepsipete wrote:

As the intention appears to be confined to third/fourth level membership, why not build a small stand with a large standing area in front. Would be cheaper and increase capacity at a stroke. If the Premier is ever reached (same old Argyle) then build a larger stand over the standing area.

I would love to stand on the Mayflower again but I beleive, once we reached the Championship and given 3 years standing grace it can never be reverted? Please let the people in the know answer that one.

Not particularly in the know, but those are definitely the Football League rules yes.

Czarcasm wrote:

Anyone who supports this development in its present form either...

a) Has something to gain personally from it,
b)Doesn't grasp what this means in terms of (non)development future potential, or
c)Is quite literally too thick to understand, and so is happy to support the people who fall in to bracket (a).

In a nutshell.

Talking of nutshells, anyone else been to this one ?

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Gawd !!!! I could murder a pint of Greene King IPA just now

Tringreen wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Anyone who supports this development in its present form either...

a) Has something to gain personally from it,
b)Doesn't grasp what this means in terms of (non)development future potential, or
c)Is quite literally too thick to understand, and so is happy to support the people who fall in to bracket (a).

In a nutshell.

Talking of nutshells, anyone else been to this one ?[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]


Gawd !!!! I could murder a pint of Greene King IPA just now

No,but i saw Alan Ball and Toulouse Lautrec going in there once.

Greenskin wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Anyone who supports this development in its present form either...

a) Has something to gain personally from it,
b)Doesn't grasp what this means in terms of (non)development future potential, or
c)Is quite literally too thick to understand, and so is happy to support the people who fall in to bracket (a).

In a nutshell.

Talking of nutshells, anyone else been to this one ?[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]


Gawd !!!! I could murder a pint of Greene King IPA just now

No,but i saw Alan Ball and Toulouse Lautrec going in there once.

Tringreen wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Anyone who supports this development in its present form either...

a) Has something to gain personally from it,
b)Doesn't grasp what this means in terms of (non)development future potential, or
c)Is quite literally too thick to understand, and so is happy to support the people who fall in to bracket (a).

In a nutshell.

Talking of nutshells, anyone else been to this one ?[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]


Gawd !!!! I could murder a pint of Greene King IPA just now

No,but i saw Alan Ball and Toulouse Lautrec going in there once.

Try this little beauty if youre ever in Salisbury - The Haunch of Venison!! Minute bar on ground floor, even got a snug that takes about 4 peeps and does a mean pint Summer Lightening!! That'll leave ya drooling Tringy!! hahahahaaah!! [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Thanks for that 'heads up'.Will have to make a little detour possibly in the summer , when I make my first visit to the westcountry for 6 years.

Getting sick and tired of this mini grandstand shite now.

It was I who won the Euromillions last night. This morning I have submitted a planning application for a 40k capicity stadium at the current location of Plymouth Albion's Brickfields site.

It will be a ground share scheme with Albion. The ground will have a 3k safe-standing area in the 'new' Demport end, A huge electronic scoreboard above the away end, There will be a 1500 capacity sports bar (called Ronni's) and further subsidized sports bars running under the concourse on match days and concerts, which there will be at least 10 every close season.

The pitch will have under-soil heating. There will be generous facilities for our disabled supporters and a small cage in the away end for known Argyle racists. Banquet and conference facilities will be provided in the way of a separate facility built on to the side of one of the stands, along with shopping outlets - all combined to generate a guaranteed £10 million extra revenue per season.

A 5000 multi story car-park will be built adjacent to the ground with covered walkways leading up to the ground if it's raining. Along these walkways will be fast food outlets and official merchandise sellers. All Argo fans will be allowed a free flag per game to collect as you walk from the parking facility.

The 1500 capacity sports bar will be a nightclub Wed-Sun night and will also be a venue for local bands 7 nights a week. It will also be available to hire for private functions.

It goes without saying - if you're a fat scheming lying nasty bastard and a control freak, or if you fly Fokker bi-planes on you flight simulator with your cock in a peanut butter sandwich whilst crying because your wife ran off with a space-ship commander, or you in the queue to get get your head surgically removed from Brent's arse - you will not be permitted to enter the Nirvana of our shiny new facility (BNP) 'Brickfields New Park' - in fact, you will get the shite kicked out of you by midget amputee henchmen, hired by me.


PS, I'll let you know how the planning application goes.

Person Of Interest wrote:

Getting sick and tired of this mini grandstand shite now.

It was I who won the Euromillions last night. This morning I have submitted a planning application for a 40k capicity stadium at the current location of Plymouth Albion's Brickfields site.

It will be a ground share scheme with Albion. The ground will have a 3k safe-standing area in the 'new' Demport end, A huge electronic scoreboard above the away end, There will be a 1500 capacity sports bar (called Ronni's) and further subsidized sports bars running under the concourse on match days and concerts, which there will be at least 10 every close season.

The pitch will have under-soil heating. There will be generous facilities for our disabled supporters and a small cage in the away end for known Argyle racists. Banquet and conference facilities will be provided in the way of a separate facility built on to the side of one of the stands, along with shopping outlets - all combined to generate a guaranteed £10 million extra revenue per season.

A 5000 multi story car-park will be built adjacent to the ground with covered walkways leading up to the ground if it's raining. Along these walkways will be fast food outlets and official merchandise sellers. All Argo fans will be allowed a free flag per game to collect as you walk from the parking facility.

The 1500 capacity sports bar will be a nightclub Wed-Sun night and will also be a venue for local bands 7 nights a week. It will also be available to hire for private functions.

It goes without saying - if you're a fat scheming lying nasty bastard and a control freak, or if you fly Fokker bi-planes on you flight simulator with your cock in a peanut butter sandwich whilst crying because your wife ran off with a space-ship commander, or you in the queue to get get your head surgically removed from Brent's arse - you will not be permitted to enter the Nirvana of our shiny new facility (BNP) 'Brickfields New Park' - in fact, you will get the shite kicked out of you by midget amputee henchmen, hired by me.


PS, I'll let you know how the planning application goes.

I have a dream !

ps no transparency required. A benign dictatorship will suffice.

Person Of Interest wrote:

Getting sick and tired of this mini grandstand shite now.

It was I who won the Euromillions last night. This morning I have submitted a planning application for a 40k capicity stadium at the current location of Plymouth Albion's Brickfields site.

It will be a ground share scheme with Albion. The ground will have a 3k safe-standing area in the 'new' Demport end, A huge electronic scoreboard above the away end, There will be a 1500 capacity sports bar (called Ronni's) and further subsidized sports bars running under the concourse on match days and concerts, which there will be at least 10 every close season.

The pitch will have under-soil heating. There will be generous facilities for our disabled supporters and a small cage in the away end for known Argyle racists. Banquet and conference facilities will be provided in the way of a separate facility built on to the side of one of the stands, along with shopping outlets - all combined to generate a guaranteed £10 million extra revenue per season.

A 5000 multi story car-park will be built adjacent to the ground with covered walkways leading up to the ground if it's raining. Along these walkways will be fast food outlets and official merchandise sellers. All Argo fans will be allowed a free flag per game to collect as you walk from the parking facility.

The 1500 capacity sports bar will be a nightclub Wed-Sun night and will also be a venue for local bands 7 nights a week. It will also be available to hire for private functions.

It goes without saying - if you're a fat scheming lying nasty bastard and a control freak, or if you fly Fokker bi-planes on you flight simulator with your cock in a peanut butter sandwich whilst crying because your wife ran off with a space-ship commander, or you in the queue to get get your head surgically removed from Brent's arse - you will not be permitted to enter the Nirvana of our shiny new facility (BNP) 'Brickfields New Park' - in fact, you will get the shite kicked out of you by midget amputee henchmen, hired by me.


PS, I'll let you know how the planning application goes.

You forgot to say where you are placing the Bordello.